Two years ago I proposed a law to my state legislators that would require all abortion clinics to have and use ultrasound machines to determine the size of the baby and to record those images for proof that hey had been complying with state law regarding the developmental stage of the unborn baby.
Further I proposed that the mother MUST be allowed to see the ultrasound before she gets an abortion so that she can see for herself what stage the pregnancy is in.
Both my representatives agreed to sponsor and introduce the legislation. Unfortunately, our Tennesse General Assembly is controlled by the far left Rats who refused to even consider the bill.
However, there are many of you Freepers who live in states controlled by Republicans. I ask that you would request that your own state legislators introduce a similar law for consideration in your state.
Let's bump for life.
I don't have the text of the bill. Our state is late in getting a Thomas type of bill tracking system in and I have never actually seen it in print.
However, the state legislators that I proposed it to are staunch conservatives and very pro-life and responded to my emails when I asked about the status of the bill.
Just propose the general idea to your legislator and allow them to word it appropriately.
My views on abortion have evolved over the last 20 years from indifference, tepid support to opposition. That change in perspective is a direct result of gaining more knowledge of what happens and what is at stake.
In any issue if one side's position is undermined by exposure and information, that is always the wrong, no evil side. Notice how carefully the pro-abortion side obfuscates what happens with bland generalities and vague descriptions.
I do not oppose abortion because of blind adherence to religious dogma. I oppose it because:
- It demeans the women. Unfortunately there are examples of women who were pregnant, wanted to keep the baby but succumbed to pressure by the father to terminate. Then with the baby out of the way he can resume using her as [quoting Dr. Laura] a 'warm place to put it.'
- It is an arrogant way to escape the consequences of one's actions.
- It encourages having intimate contact with multiple partners, thus demeaning the act itself and promoting the spread of disease.
- Even those who support abortion cannot deny that it is morally different from an appendectomy. At 6 weeks gestation, a human embryo has an unmistakably human EKG signature [brain activity].
There are more reasons. I welcome others to append this list.
1. The text of a real bill already proposed somewhere else is much more impressive.
2. Based upon my experience with state legislators, they could be shining you on, and there may be no real bill at all.
My pleasure... pinging the list...
What you said.
abortion clininc would show the image phote with the back of the image facing the woman and then say they complied with the letter of the law.
Great idea, BofT. Even though we're Dem in all three branches, I will talk to my rep about it. He's a great guy.
Let's bump for life.
Every other procedure requires fully informed consent. I know women who feel victimized by the fact that they weren't told the truth before they made the decision.
Here's the bill that was passed in Texas last month, and signed into law by our Governor Perry. It doesn't require an ultrasound, but it does require a minimum of information be offered to the mother (including color pictures of gestational stages and the probable age of her own child) and that she wait at least until the next day before having the abortion. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/tlo/textframe.cmd?LEG=78&SESS=R&CHAMBER=H&BILLTYPE=B&BILLSUFFIX=00015&VERSION=5&TYPE=B
H.B. No. 15
relating to regulation of abortion; creating an offense.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Subtitle H, Title 2, Health and Safety Code, is
amended by adding Chapter 171 to read as follows:
CHAPTER 171. ABORTION
SUBCHAPTER A. GENERAL PROVISIONS
Sec. 171.001. SHORT TITLE. This chapter may be called the
Woman's Right to Know Act.
Sec. 171.002. DEFINITION. In this chapter, "abortion"
means the use of any means to terminate the pregnancy of a female
known by the attending physician to be pregnant with the intention
that the termination of the pregnancy by those means will, with
reasonable likelihood, cause the death of the fetus.
Sec. 171.003. PHYSICIAN TO PERFORM. An abortion may be
performed only by a physician licensed to practice medicine in this
Sec. 171.004. ABORTION OF FETUS AGE 16 WEEKS OR MORE. An
abortion of a fetus age 16 weeks or more may be performed only at an
ambulatory surgical center or hospital licensed to perform the
Sec. 171.005. DEPARTMENT TO ENFORCE. The department shall
enforce this chapter.
[Sections 171.006-171.010 reserved for expansion]
SUBCHAPTER B. INFORMED CONSENT
Sec. 171.011. INFORMED CONSENT REQUIRED. A person may not
perform an abortion without the voluntary and informed consent of
the woman on whom the abortion is to be performed.
Sec. 171.012. VOLUNTARY AND INFORMED CONSENT. (a) Except
in the case of a medical emergency, consent to an abortion is
voluntary and informed only if:
(1) the physician who is to perform the abortion or the
referring physician informs the woman on whom the abortion is to be
(A) the name of the physician who will perform
(B) the particular medical risks associated with
the particular abortion procedure to be employed, including, when
(i) the risks of infection and hemorrhage;
(ii) the potential danger to a subsequent
pregnancy and of infertility; and
(iii) the possibility of increased risk of
breast cancer following an induced abortion and the natural
protective effect of a completed pregnancy in avoiding breast
(C) the probable gestational age of the unborn
child at the time the abortion is to be performed; and
(D) the medical risks associated with carrying
the child to term;
(2) the physician who is to perform the abortion or the
physician's agent informs the woman that:
(A) medical assistance benefits may be available
for prenatal care, childbirth, and neonatal care;
(B) the father is liable for assistance in the
support of the child without regard to whether the father has
offered to pay for the abortion;
(C) public and private agencies provide
pregnancy prevention counseling and medical referrals for
obtaining pregnancy prevention medications or devices, including
emergency contraception for victims of rape or incest; and
(D) the woman has the right to review the printed
materials described by Section 171.014, that those materials have
been provided by the Texas Department of Health and are accessible
on an Internet website sponsored by the department, and that the
materials describe the unborn child and list agencies that offer
alternatives to abortion;
(3) the woman certifies in writing before the abortion
is performed that the information described by Subdivisions (1) and
(2) has been provided to her and that she has been informed of her
opportunity to review the information described by Section 171.014;
(4) before the abortion is performed, the physician
who is to perform the abortion receives a copy of the written
certification required by Subdivision (3).
(b) The information required to be provided under
Subsections (a)(1) and (2) must be provided:
(1) orally by telephone or in person; and
(2) at least 24 hours before the abortion is to be
(c) When providing the information under Subsection
(a)(2)(D), the physician or the physician's agent must provide the
woman with the address of the Internet website on which the printed
materials described by Section 171.014 may be viewed as required by
(d) The information provided to the woman under Subsection
(a)(2)(B) must include, based on information available from the
Office of the Attorney General and the United States Department of
Health and Human Services Office of Child Support Enforcement for
the three-year period preceding the publication of the information,
information regarding the statistical likelihood of collecting
(e) The department is not required to republish
informational materials described by Subsection (a)(2)(B) because
of a change in information described by Subsection (d) unless the
statistical information in the materials changes by five percent or
Sec. 171.013. DISTRIBUTION OF STATE MATERIALS. (a) If the
woman chooses to view the materials described by Section 171.014,
the physician or the physician's agent shall furnish copies of the
materials to her at least 24 hours before the abortion is to be
performed. A physician or the physician's agent may furnish the
materials to the woman by mail if the materials are mailed,
restricted delivery to addressee, at least 72 hours before the
abortion is to be performed.
(b) A physician or the physician's agent is not required to
furnish copies of the materials if the woman provides the physician
with a written statement that she chooses to view the materials on
the Internet website sponsored by the department.
(c) The physician and the physician's agent may
disassociate themselves from the materials and may choose to
comment on the materials or to refrain from commenting.
Sec. 171.014. INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS. (a) The department
shall publish informational materials that include:
(1) the information required to be provided under
Sections 171.012(a)(1)(B) and (D) and (a)(2)(A), (B), and (C); and
(2) the materials required by Sections 171.015 and
(b) The materials shall be published in:
(1) English and Spanish;
(2) an easily comprehensible form; and
(3) a typeface large enough to be clearly legible.
(c) The materials shall be available at no cost from the
department on request. The department shall provide appropriate
quantities of the materials to any person.
(d) The department shall annually review the materials to
determine if changes to the contents of the materials are
necessary. The department shall adopt rules necessary for
considering and making changes to the materials.
(e) The department shall develop and maintain an Internet
website to display the information required to be published under
this section. In developing and maintaining the website the
department shall, to the extent reasonably practicable, safeguard
the website against alterations by anyone other than the department
and shall monitor the website each day to prevent and correct
tampering. The department shall ensure that the website does not
collect or maintain information regarding access to the website.
(f) In addition to any other organization or entity, the
department shall use the American College of Obstetricians and
Gynecologists as the resource in developing information required to
be provided under Sections 171.012(a)(1)(B) and (D), Sections
171.012(a)(2)(A), (B), and (C), and Section 171.016, and in
maintaining the department's Internet website.
Sec. 171.015. INFORMATION RELATING TO PUBLIC AND PRIVATE
AGENCIES. The informational materials must include either:
(1) geographically indexed materials designed to
inform the woman of public and private agencies and services that:
(A) are available to assist a woman through
pregnancy, childbirth, and the child's dependency, including:
(i) a comprehensive list of adoption
(ii) a description of the services the
adoption agencies offer; and
(iii) a description of the manner,
including telephone numbers, in which an adoption agency may be
(B) do not provide abortions or abortion-related
services or make referrals to abortion providers; and
(C) are not affiliated with organizations that
provide abortions or abortion-related services or make referrals to
abortion providers; or
(2) a toll-free, 24-hour telephone number that may be
called to obtain an oral list and description of agencies described
by Subdivision (1) that are located near the caller and of the
services the agencies offer.
Sec. 171.016. INFORMATION RELATING TO CHARACTERISTICS OF
UNBORN CHILD. (a) The informational materials must include
materials designed to inform the woman of the probable anatomical
and physiological characteristics of the unborn child at two-week
gestational increments from the time when a woman can be known to be
pregnant to full term, including any relevant information on the
possibility of the unborn child's survival.
(b) The materials must include color pictures representing
the development of the child at two-week gestational increments.
The pictures must contain the dimensions of the unborn child and
must be realistic.
(c) The materials provided under this section must be
objective and nonjudgmental and be designed to convey only accurate
scientific information about the unborn child at the various
Sec. 171.017. PERIODS RUN CONCURRENTLY. If the woman is an
unemancipated minor subject to Chapter 33, Family Code, the 24-hour
periods established under Sections 171.012(b) and 171.013(a) may
run concurrently with the period during which actual or
constructive notice is provided under Section 33.002, Family Code.
Sec. 171.018. OFFENSE. A physician who intentionally
performs an abortion on a woman in violation of this subchapter
commits an offense. An offense under this section is a misdemeanor
punishable by a fine not to exceed $10,000. In this section,
"intentionally" has the meaning assigned by Section 6.03(a), Penal
SECTION 2. Section 245.004, Health and Safety Code, is
amended to read as follows:
Sec. 245.004. EXEMPTIONS FROM LICENSING REQUIREMENT. (a)
The following facilities need not be licensed under this chapter:
(1) a hospital licensed under Chapter 241 (Texas
Hospital Licensing Law); [or]
(2) the office of a physician licensed under Subtitle
B, Title 3, Occupations Code, unless the office is used
substantially for the purpose of performing [more than 300]
(3) an ambulatory surgical center licensed under
Chapter 243 [in any 12-month period].
(b) For purposes of this section, a facility is used
substantially for the purpose of performing abortions if the
(1) is a provider for performing:
(A) at least 10 abortion procedures during any
(B) at least 100 abortion procedures in a year;
(2) operates less than 20 days in a month and the
facility, in any month, is a provider for performing a number of
abortion procedures that would be equivalent to at least 10
procedures in a month if the facility were operating at least 20
days in a month;
(3) holds itself out to the public as an abortion
provider by advertising by any public means, including advertising
placed in a newspaper, telephone directory, magazine, or electronic
medium, that the facility performs abortions; or
(4) applies for an abortion facility license.
(c) For purposes of this section, an abortion facility is
operating if the facility is open for any period of time during a
day and has on site at the facility or on call a physician available
to perform abortions. [In computing the number of abortions
performed in the office of a physician under Subsection (a)(2), an
abortion performed in accordance with Section 245.016 is not
SECTION 3. Section 245.007, Health and Safety Code, is
amended to read as follows:
Sec. 245.007. FEES. The board shall set fees imposed by
this chapter in amounts reasonable and necessary to defray the cost
of administering this chapter and Chapter 171.
SECTION 4. Section 245.010(a), Health and Safety Code, is
amended to read as follows:
(a) The rules must contain minimum standards to protect the
health and safety of a patient of an abortion facility and must
contain provisions requiring compliance with the requirements of
Subchapter B, Chapter 171.
SECTION 5. The Texas Department of Health shall prepare the
informational materials required by Section 171.014, Health and
Safety Code, as added by this Act, and shall have the materials
available for distribution as required by Chapter 171, Health and
Safety Code, as added by this Act, not later than December 1, 2003.
SECTION 6. If any provision of this Act or its application
to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the invalidity does
not affect other provisions or applications of the Act that can be
given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to
this end the provisions of this Act are severable.
SECTION 7. This Act takes effect September 1, 2003, and
applies only to an abortion that is performed on or after January 1,
2004. An abortion that is performed before January 1, 2004, is
governed by the law as it existed immediately before the effective
date of this Act, and that law is continued in effect for that
President of the Senate Speaker of the House
I certify that H.B. No. 15 was passed by the House on April
30, 2003, by a non-record vote; and that the House concurred in
Senate amendments to H.B. No. 15 on May 23, 2003, by a non-record
Chief Clerk of the House
I certify that H.B. No. 15 was passed by the Senate, with
amendments, on May 21, 2003, by the following vote: Yeas 21, Nays
Secretary of the Senate
Informed consent would be a great start, but I'd also like to make it mandatory for the mother to be shown the fetus post-abortion. It would make it a lot harder for those having abortions to maintain their state of denial about what they have done.
...Critical Thinking class follow-up assignment.
You know there are women who do not care. you could have all the conclusive evidence in the world but they would still approve of their abortion based on any number of convenience factors. these are the same women who would support the duty to die after a certain age. Women like that would easily kill anyone at any age, but for the risk of prison. A good friend called this woman of "modern" society a souless shell. It sounds more poetic in Greek.
This is true, but until we know the size of the population of these women, and reduce the size of the abortion industry to the point where further regulation would be effective and enforceable, this is the best course of action.
"You know there are women who do not care. you could have all the conclusive evidence in the world but they would still approve of their abortion based on any number of convenience factors..."
Fine, let the ones who are fully informed of all of the implications involved and still insist on killing their own offspring take themselves out of the gene pool, but let's do what we can to fully inform everyone. Information is on our side on this issue.
Unfortunately, Pat Buchanan is right in the 'Death of the West' when he says that there are more coffins than cradles amongst those of us of European descent. We are killing ourselves off or not having children at all.
In my most pessimistic moments, I fear that no matter how well-reasoned our arguments and persistent we are to prumulgate them, the odds are against us. We are being bred out by people who do not believe in tolerance of 'alternate lifestyles' and cannot concieve of cultural relativism.
Those Leftist bromides and others are killing us. It does matter which side wins. There are many who lust to bring all of humanity [at least those few left alive] into a version of Taliban Afghanistan.