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Mississippi Observes 39th Anniversary of Murders of Goodman, Chaney, and Schwerner
Jackson, MS, Clarion-Ledger ^ | 06-23-03 | Mitchell, Jerry

Posted on 06/23/2003 7:23:43 AM PDT by Theodore R.

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:27:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PHILADELPHIA, MS Another anniversary, another year without justice for the killers of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, speakers said Sunday.

"All of us know that people who helped and aided in the murders are still alive," Leslie McLemore, a member of the Jackson City Council, told the 200 or so gathered at Mount Zion United Methodist Church to remember the three civil rights workers killed by the Ku Klux Klan on June 21, 1964. "They need to be brought to trial."


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 1964; chaney; civilrights; goodman; june21; ms; schwerner

1 posted on 06/23/2003 7:23:43 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
Every time I go to the fair, I visit the location. It is not far from where my family lived. Eerie.
2 posted on 06/23/2003 7:42:01 AM PDT by msdrby (I do believe the cheese slid off his cracker! - The Green Mile)
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To: Theodore R.; WKB; Yudan; bourbon; Magnolia; wardaddy; MississippiMan
Mississippi ping!
3 posted on 06/23/2003 8:03:49 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Law School applicants are NOT created equal--Supreme Court)
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To: dixiechick2000; Theodore R.; WKB; bourbon; Magnolia; wardaddy; MississippiMan
I used to work, and am still good friends with, with a fellow analyst... a fellow of Jewish extraction -- a cousin of Mickey Schwerner.

Great guy...cynical as all hell. But very, very funny - and really smart, too. He worked at both Drexel and Kidder back in the '80s heydays.
4 posted on 06/23/2003 8:07:46 AM PDT by Yudan
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To: dixiechick2000
A terrible moment in our past. I'm very glad that I didn't grow up during this era of our state's history.
5 posted on 06/23/2003 8:14:53 AM PDT by bourbon (auditions for tagline--tonight 7pm!)
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To: bourbon; Yudan
I was in Meridian during this time. While I don't remember very much about it (I was a child), I do remember the anger, sadness, and sheer embarrassment that this happened.

Like I said...I was young, and these are the impressions of a young child.

6 posted on 06/23/2003 8:19:16 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Law School applicants are NOT created equal--Supreme Court)
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To: bourbon; dixiechick2000; WKB; wardaddy
My dad was a JPD patrolman during that era. Oh, the stories....

Wardaddy's dad knew mine....

He was, shall we say, a unique individual. Very "scorched earth" attitude toward crime fighting. EXAMPLE:

In the late 80's-early 90's, the gang associations between Jackson and Chicago/LA brought carjacking in to Jackson. Daddy once said, "You want to stop carjacking? Here ya go: You get a car out of impound - something real sexy like a red 5-series BMW. Then you drive it, on a regular schedule, up and down Fortification Street, or Maple Street, or somewhere like that"

"At some point, it attracts the attention of the appropriate audience. And when that party puts a gun in the driver's face, he doesn't realize it's an undercover officer until he sees the muzzle flash of the sawed-off shotgun the officer had in his lap."

"Once might not do it. It might take two. But carjacking will CEASE."

The point is, people who obey the law should not be afraid of the Police and what might happen to them if they get caught. Violent felons SHOULD be afraid of what might happen to them.

We, as a society, have lost that.
7 posted on 06/23/2003 8:28:10 AM PDT by Yudan
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To: bourbon
A terrible moment in our past. I'm very glad that I didn't grow up during this era of our state's history.

I don't know that we will ever out live it either.

8 posted on 06/23/2003 8:37:42 AM PDT by WKB
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To: msdrby
How much of what was portrayed in the movie "Mississippi Burning" was fact and how much was agenda/propaganda? I remember watching the movie years ago, but never really asked anyone from there how they felt about it.

Personally, I think y'all got painted with a rather broad brush. I was in Senatobia, MS last summer and met some very good people there.

9 posted on 06/23/2003 9:09:51 AM PDT by Treebeard
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To: dixiechick2000
I joined the Navy just after the killings, my first period of time outsided the state. I never had any idea how big the the story was untill then. Lots of people asked me dumb and embarassing questions. Like what's the Klan like?(Didn't know, didn't know any) Do all the people have Klan robes?(didn't know, never seen any). Why are people in the South so hard on the blacks(I don't know, why are people in the North so hard on the Blacks?) Do they have electricity in Neoshoba County? What's a red neck?
10 posted on 06/23/2003 9:10:10 AM PDT by oyez (Is this a great country or what?)
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To: Yudan; bourbon; WKB; MississippiMan; dixiechick2000; Magnolia
Yes...I will verify about Yudan's dad....I knew him too as a boy.....and I agree with his sentiments.

On the freedom riders....whew...this is sort of a minefield.

I remember it as a boy. I even did a paper and oral report on it from a Reader's Digest article in 69 and recall getting all emotional giving the report.

But...looking back now. I remember that of course the Klan hated all of them and the Citizen's Council and SSC and even some LEOs were happy enough to let the Klan buffoons do their dirty work. Most citizens even reasonable ones viewed the Freedom Riders are socialists/commies....which many were. Many were also Jewish idealists from Northern campuses and that is where the friction between many Southerners and Jewish Southerners started. The Southern Jews felt compelled to side with their fellow Yankee Jews who were being attacked or murdered down South and then that of course gave the Klan the chance to bomb a few Temples. I believe in Meridian though...the local Sherrif...no fan of freedom riders himself....took a Dem view of buffoons trying to kill Jews and actually went to the trouble to set some Klan boys up trying to bomb a local prominant Jews home and caught them in the act and basically executed the culprits on sight...one might have been a woman even (Ainsworth)...one of my many family names.

What I'm trying to say in a roundabout way is that it was more complex than Mississippi Burning (though Hackman is good as always).

Most Mississippians I knew where ambivalent at worst or even sympathetic to granting blacks constitutional freedoms but they really despised the interlopers.

They had no idea that the noble idea of equal protection under the law would morph into the monster it is today although I remember my grandfather who had been prominant and refused to join the WCC and who had hired blacks into authority positions like my dad as well later....said before he died.

"We have done the right thing, blacks deserve to be treated as equals....but remember that "generosity breeds dependence breeds contempt"....a lesson not lost on the left obviously.

A dangerous era.....more than just 2 sides.

Both my father and grandfather would have been considered pro-civil rights and suffered some threats and insults etc. They owned large contracting companies and promoted blacks to supervisory spots. When my dad did that in Waveland on a job, the locals burned his office trailer and spiked the equipment.

Both of them voiced apprehension as to where all this they had endorsed would lead before they died. My grandpa never saw the bad fruit but he feared it. My dad died pretty dissillusioned by it all in 97. Good Intentions and the Road to Hell and all that. It should have stopped with Equal Constitutional Rights...period...but of course it did not.

What to do about any criminals still out there from the Jim Crow wars is a topic for debate....many are already dead....many have already been questionably acquitted.

I have no answers...only questions....one in particular?

What do we do now to stem the bleeding?

11 posted on 06/23/2003 9:11:53 AM PDT by wardaddy (I was born my Papa's son....when I hit the ground I was on the run.....)
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To: okchemyst
You know, I asked my grandmother the same thing (I am but a spring chicken and was not born until after the '60s). She was livid about the movie. It portrayed the community as racist and vindictive.

It was as much a surprise to my family as it was to the rest of the townfolk. In my experience, I have never met anyone who supported what those men did. On the contrary, everyone I know scorns them for being ignorant biggots and for bringing a bad name upon their town.
12 posted on 06/23/2003 9:24:00 AM PDT by msdrby (I do believe the cheese slid off his cracker! - The Green Mile)
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To: wardaddy
Former Guv William Winter is on hand. Why am I not surprised.


13 posted on 06/23/2003 9:24:02 AM PDT by WKB
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To: oyez
Do they have electricity in Neoshoba County?

LOL

14 posted on 06/23/2003 9:29:47 AM PDT by msdrby (I do believe the cheese slid off his cracker! - The Green Mile)
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To: WKB
He was considered a noble man once. He was embittered when John Bell Williams whipped him in the Guv's race.

Now, he acts like any other white Dem huckster.
15 posted on 06/23/2003 9:30:17 AM PDT by wardaddy (I was born my Papa's son....when I hit the ground I was on the run.....)
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To: okchemyst
"Mississippi Burning" was some facts mixed in with a lot of crap. The Clan was a small but intmidating organization. The American Nazi Party was probably bigger before the war.

A lot of people don't have any idea how much mistrust Southerners had for the Federal Government. That's a tradition that goes back to territorial times. After seeing troops being sent to Little Rock, Oxford and other places some people feared a second Reconstuction era. Naturaly, the public remained definsive, but that didn't deminish the quality of the people.

16 posted on 06/23/2003 9:31:58 AM PDT by oyez (Is this a great country or what?)
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To: msdrby
LOL

Not really, some people in Kalifornia thought "Beverly Hillbillies", "Gomer Pyle",and "Petticoat Junction" were non-fiction. If I'm lying, I'm dying.

17 posted on 06/23/2003 9:41:27 AM PDT by oyez (Is this a great country or what?)
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To: wardaddy
Now, he acts like any other white Dem huckster.

Durning the flag flap the rednecks and liberals got to yelling at each other and Winter whined out
"can't we have some civility"?
Super Talk Radio still play it now and then
It was funny.

18 posted on 06/23/2003 10:06:46 AM PDT by WKB
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To: msdrby
I am but a spring chicken

Me too. Actually, from the looks of your homepage--we're nearly the same age. I graduated from college in 1997.
19 posted on 06/23/2003 11:19:36 AM PDT by bourbon (auditions for tagline--tonight 7pm!)
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To: oyez
LOL! When I left MS I went, first, to south Texas for a short time (no probs there), then on to CA for a couple of years. I was asked pretty much the same questions.

Were you ever asked if we wore shoes? I was...;o)

20 posted on 06/23/2003 12:03:42 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: Theodore R.
Small item on Andrew Goodman's younger brother:

On the other side of the planet, in Israel, on that same day of 12 Tammuz, a Lubavitcher chasid with a long beard lit a candle and went to shul to say Kaddish for his brother Andy. Jonathan Goodman became religiously introspective, several years after Andy's death, and wondered what it "really" meant to be a Jew. His answer led him to Chasidism and emigration to Israel's Kfar Chabad, where he lives with his wife and seven children. Andy was never even given a Hebrew name but his posthumous niece and nephews are Ruth Chana, Aaron Zev, Kalman, Menachem, Shimon.

More here

21 posted on 06/23/2003 12:27:39 PM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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To: wardaddy; Yudan; bourbon; WKB; MississippiMan; Magnolia
"The Southern Jews felt compelled to side with their fellow Yankee Jews who were being attacked or murdered down South and then that of course gave the Klan the chance to bomb a few Temples. I believe in Meridian though...the local Sherrif...no fan of freedom riders himself....took a Dem view of buffoons trying to kill Jews and actually went to the trouble to set some Klan boys up trying to bomb a local prominant Jews home and caught them in the act and basically executed the culprits on sight...one might have been a woman even (Ainsworth)...one of my many family names."

I remember the summer of '68 pretty well. The Klan were fire bombing the black churches and the local synagogue, which was a couple of blocks through the woods behind my house. My family heard the explosion, and went to check it out. Me? I didn't hear a thing...slept right through it. There was, also, a black church right behind my house that my parents watched over. It was a precious little church, with a small congregation, that was in the country before Meridian grew out to it. We really didn't want anything to happen to it.

I really don't remember Jewish sentiment at that time...they weren't very vocal about it that I noticed. Sheriff Birdsong was the sheriff at that time, I think, and, you are right...there was no love lost for the freedom riders, but he didn't like the idea of Jews being targeted for death more. IIRC, they recieved a tip that the Davidsons, whose daughter is a year younger than I am, were targeted. As they were checking out his house, they found enough dynamite to blow up the entire block in the back seat of their daughter's Camaro. Luckily, they were able to take care of it before it exploded. I'm not sure, but I seem to remember that the perps tried to set off the bomb by firing shots through the rear of her car. In any case, they caught up with the perps, who led LEOs on a car chase and a shootout. I can't remember how many people were involved, but I do remember some, and maybe all, of them were killed in that shootout.

That was a memorable summer. I sure was glad when it was over.

22 posted on 06/23/2003 12:51:45 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: dixiechick2000
Yes...

Most Southern Jews...being Southern(I know Jews who sent their kids to Council schools) stayed out of the squabble between the SPLC/SCLC/Freedom Riders and the Klan/WCC/SSC etc until they found themselves guilty by association with the preponderance of Jews in the Freedom Rider ranks.

The Klan considered them collaborators and since they were Jewish that made it easier...but the Klan also targeted Southern Non-Jewish Whites who were symapthetic to civil rights.....a friend of my dad's had his home leveled by a bomb in Jackson. Ironically, his grandaughter was later carjacked and killed by black thugs in the early 90s.

I remember reading that the Meridian sherrif who was pretty damned tuff, knew about the bomb plot and waited with his select group of deputies purposedly to show the Klan that they could not operate in his town as they saw fit.

They waited to pounce at the right time and gave no quarter but I think one (maybe the snitch) survived....I'm pretty sure the woman driver was killed.

Oh...well...like i said the reality was a bit more complicated than the movie..lol (not really funny)

Did you know Sela Ward?
23 posted on 06/23/2003 1:11:47 PM PDT by wardaddy (I was born my Papa's son....when I hit the ground I was on the run.....)
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To: wardaddy
"Did you know Sela Ward?"

She and my sister were the same age, and were friends. They went to Lamar Academy together, and graduated in a whopping big class of 45.

24 posted on 06/23/2003 1:16:53 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: dixiechick2000
Mississippi is a small world.
25 posted on 06/23/2003 1:56:33 PM PDT by wardaddy (I was born my Papa's son....when I hit the ground I was on the run.....)
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To: dixiechick2000; wardaddy
WD, you mentioned Sela Ward therefore I MUST provide pictures. It's FR protocol, y'know. ;-)

I love Sela b/c not only is she a Mississippian, but she also is a graduate of the Univ. of Alabama.



(Whew! That picture makes my knees quiver!!)
26 posted on 06/23/2003 1:56:48 PM PDT by bourbon (you see me here, and yet I am already changed already elsewhere...)
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To: bourbon
I'm a Bama fan too....especially now.
27 posted on 06/23/2003 1:57:34 PM PDT by wardaddy (I was born my Papa's son....when I hit the ground I was on the run.....)
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To: wardaddy
Yessir...it sure is.
28 posted on 06/23/2003 2:00:31 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ( My mind not only wanders, it sometimes leaves completely.)
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To: bourbon; wardaddy
My sister said she is not only beautiful, but she is sweet and very down to earth.

Given all the gifts she's been given, she could have been a real...

29 posted on 06/23/2003 2:03:47 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ( My mind not only wanders, it sometimes leaves completely.)
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To: bourbon
sad to say....

....no skimpy Sela shots exists anywhere I could mine...sigh

...an inspiration for all late 40s chicks...er...women...er...ladies.
30 posted on 06/23/2003 2:25:27 PM PDT by wardaddy (I was born my Papa's son....when I hit the ground I was on the run.....)
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To: dixiechick2000
Were you ever asked if we wore shoes? I was...;o)

With all the gravel roads, we had to wear shoes.

31 posted on 06/23/2003 6:22:46 PM PDT by oyez (Is this a great country or what?)
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To: bourbon
'Bama! Good lord. Ah, just as well. If she had been at Ole Miss in the mid '70's she wouldn't have much to cheer about.
32 posted on 06/23/2003 6:42:45 PM PDT by oyez (Is this a great country or what?)
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To: oyez; dixiechick2000
Dumb (but funny) Joke:
A northerner visits the South and sees a Southerner walking happily down the side of the road, wearing only one shoe. Perplexed, the Northerner asks the Southerner if he lost a shoe somewhere. The Southerner replies, "No, I found one!"
33 posted on 06/23/2003 7:46:43 PM PDT by bourbon (you see me here, and yet I am already changed already elsewhere...)
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