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A Fundamental Constitutional Right To Have Sex With Children, Too?
Toogood Reports ^ | July 8 | Lowell Phillips

Posted on 07/08/2003 7:08:39 AM PDT by F_Cohen

Is It A Fundamental Constitutional Right To Have Sex With Children, Too?

By Lowell Phillips Tuesday July 8, 2003

Toogood Reports

"This is a glorious and beautiful time to be queer."

Don't start hammering out the hate mail just yet. Those aren't my words, but those of a bona fide "gay rights" activist. Amid the orgy of celebration (pun intended) following the Supreme Court's 6-3 ruling in Lawrence v. Texas, striking down sodomy laws, Molly McKay, spokeswoman for Marriage Equality California proclaimed,

"This month has been filled with hope... This is a glorious and beautiful time to be queer."

Few on either side of what remains of the ideological debate could argue.

It must also be a glorious and beautiful time to sit on the imperial U.S. Supreme Court. Honestly now, could there be a better gig? Granted, getting there is no simple feat. But once you have accumulated just enough gray hair, paid homage to the miscarriages of those who have preceded you and aced the litmus tests, you are set for life and free to indulge in philosophical flights of fancy.

Sure, the job description mentions something called "The Constitution" and adherence to it, but you know that the notion of it being a "living document" entitles you to make it whatever you want it to be. Comically, some of your colleges, one is a black man who's a traitor to his race, another a spiteful Italian, harp about this thing called "original intent" and prattle on about "the Founding Gentlemen," " the Drafting Fathers" or something like that, thus preventing them from making their own rules, as others have. Whatever they're called, they certainly could not know what they meant as well as you do.

The recent decisions of the high court have again proven that it is not a forum within which the survival of our republic is assured, but rather one where two-dimensional, feel-good social thinking outweighs codified constitutional safeguards. Indeed its actions show that our once sacred document no longer lives. The illusion of life is maintained, however, by regularly applied swats and kicks to its hollow carcass.

The Second Amendment "right of the people to keep and bear arms" to some, though succinctly written, never existed. And if it did, it could not possibly have been expected to apply in an era when modern weaponry would pose such a dire threat to the collective good. But when it was written, corporations and ad hoc associations could easily match the firepower of the federal government (see: The Whisky Rebellion of 1794). Whatever the power of modern weaponry today, such groups could not possibly hold out for long against the U.S. government, or a local police force for that matter. As such, the "threat" to the collective good today is miniscule as compared to the time of drafting of the Constitution.

But those were barbaric times and government has evolved into a benign servant of people and can assure that criminals will never be armed and roaming the streets. Right?

Funds extorted from the American people and then returned as an entitlement opiate, along with the whims of the activist judges, have been instrumental in rendering the Tenth Amendment meaningless. It clearly states,

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

But very little remains outside the purview of the federal government, and as such this represents nothing more than a quaint reminder of a time when this country was something called "a republic".

The concept of "diversity" represents a "compelling state interest", assuming erroneously that the term, as it relates to public policy, is definable. But whatever it means, the decision in Grutter vs. Bollinger affirms that it trumps the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. While the University of Michigan and all publicly funded institutions are asked not to be so obvious as to assign a specific point structure, they may certainly continue to favor some over others based on skin color.

The distortions of the meanings behind the Constitution are sweeping, and though never stated outright, the assumption must be that the Drafter's intentions were to deconstruct their entire culture.

Not only were they intellectually enlightened, the Founders were also largely pious men, which despite modern interpretations are not mutually exclusive. In a step to assure the free practice of religion and to prevent the establishment of an American version of the Anglican Church, they spelled out in the First Amendment,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Yet somehow the courts interpret this to mean that any and every reference to, or expression of, faith is prohibited in the public square. Moreover, the aforementioned abandonment of the Tenth Amendment and near universal distribution of federal dollars insure that no municipality, however tiny, or faith-based organization, however benign, is unaffected by this misrepresentation.

But the truest illustration of the Founders assumed desire to lay waste to all they knew is the dogged recognition of the constitutionally unenumerated "right to privacy". Whether this alleged right is derived from a creative reading of the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 9th or 14th Amendment, or a combination of them, the result is to place all morality on an unstable foundation.

"Good," the response often is. Following the Supreme Courts ruling in Lawrence vs. Texas, Democrat Rep. James P. Moran of Virginia commented,

"The government has no business regulating or legislating morality, and it certainly has no business interfering with this very private action between consenting adults..."

There is nothing remotely unusual about the statement. Such sentiments pass for acumen, but are nothing of the sort. On the contrary, this is screaming stupidity. To suggest that law, any law, can be enacted apart from morality is ludicrous. It is no more possible than attempting to breath without inhaling. They are one and the same.

No matter if it is found in the text of the Constitution or born of the legislature, when broken down to its basic components law ends up being a "because it's right" or "because it's wrong" issue. And conclusions of right and wrong are moral judgments. Period. Few would argue that rape should be permitted, but when put to a series of "whys", it comes down to "because it's wrong". The same holds for any crime.

Writing for the majority in Lawrence vs. Texas, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy proclaimed,

"Freedom extends beyond spatial bounds. Liberty presumes an autonomy of self that includes freedom of thought, belief, expression and certain intimate conduct... Adults may choose to enter upon this relationship in the confines of their homes and their own private lives and still retain their dignity as free persons... The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime..."

Noted by many "intolerant" right-wingers is that, while directed at decriminalizing homosexual sodomy, this leaves the door wide open for endless actions that can be said to fall under the manufactured right to privacy.

Although ridiculed, vilified and generally ignored by the politically correct intelligentsia, Justice Antonin Scalia responded with the undeniable,

"States continue to prosecute all sorts of crimes by adults in matters pertaining to sex: prostitution, adult incest, adultery, obscenity, and child pornography...This effectively decrees the end of all morals legislation. If, as the Court asserts, the promotion of majoritarian sexual morality is not even a legitimate state interest, none of the above-mentioned laws can survive rational-basis review..."

The notion of a right to privacy, entangled with an increasing creative application of the "Equal Protection Clause" and the vacuous term "consenting adults" sweeps the moral, and thereby legal, underpinnings out from beneath American culture, human civilization, and to a great extent natural law. If the thinking behind rulings like Lawrence vs. Texas and Roe vs. Wade is in keeping with the Constitution, exactly where is the rationale for forbidding homosexual marriage, homosexual adoption, polygamy, bestiality, drug use, adult incest, prostitution and child pornography?

It does not exist.

The term "consenting adults" is itself a clear statement of moral judgment. An age at which consent can legally be given is set according to what is considered morally appropriate, and has no definitive connection to emotional, intellectual or physical maturity.

The idea that what is now considered "statutory rape" or even "pedophilia" could ever be legitimized is far from the minds of average Americans. But so too were thoughts that homosexuality would be deemed "normal", that "gender" would be a subjective concept, and that homosexual "marriage" would be seriously contemplated to Americans not long ago.

The malleability of modern moral standards is already setting the philosophical groundwork. Throughout the media children are increasingly objectified sexually. Contraception and pregnancy termination have established sex in our emerging reality as nothing more than a recreational activity. Instruction is given in all variations with public dollars in schools, along with contraceptives and abortion on demand, free from restrictions of parental oversight. And parenting itself on the subject of sex is more and more often summed up in the phrase, "well, they're going to do it anyway".

Children are increasingly asserting their independence through the courts, challenging dress codes, drug testing, locker searches and winning on alleged constitutional grounds. Considering the intellectual acrobatics necessary to find a "right to abortion" in the Constitution, a conclusion that ages of consent are arbitrary and that denying children the right to give consent constitutes a violation of the Equal Protection Clause should be easy; perhaps not today, or next year but a decade or two from now.

Noted champions of the "gay rights" movement have for years romanticized "man-boy" love in literature, like Paul Russell in his book "The Coming Storm," David Leavitt in "Martin Bauman; or, A Sure Thing," Agustin Gomez-Arcos in "The Carnivorous Lamb," and others. Such works are published by major companies and available at your local bookstore.

Much as the acceptance of homosexuality by the psychiatric profession and its removal from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in 1973 was a watershed in the mainstreaming of this "lifestyle," so too will it be for those who wish to engage in sex with minors, euphemistically referred to as "intergenerational intimacy."

As far back as the mid-1980's experts like Dr. David Finkelhor had concluded that,

"[A] body of opinion and research has emerged in recent years which is trying hard to vindicate homosexual pedophilia."

In 1998 the American Psychological Association (APA) published the essay "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples" which concluded that sexual contact between children and adults was not necessarily harmful, decried the "indiscriminate use" of terms like "child sexual abuse," "victim" and "perpetrator," and that "a willing encounter with positive reactions would be labeled simply adult-child sex." Mainstream commentators like Andrew Sullivan embraced the thinking and Judith Levine mirrored it in her 2002 publication of "Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children from Sex," with a foreword by former Clinton Surgeon General Joycelyn M. Elders.

Mental health professionals attending the May 19, 2003 convention of the American Psychiatric Association in San Francisco proposed removing several categories of mental illness from the DSM, including exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism and sadomasochism, as well as pedophilia. CNS News reported on the event and on Dr. Frederick Berlin, from the Sexual Disorders Clinic at the Johns Hopkins Hospital who argued that adults that feel a sexual attraction to children should not be made to feel shame and was quoted as saying,

"I have no problem accepting the fact that someone, through no fault of his own, is attracted to children..."

Linda Ames Nicolosi of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) protested and concluded, as any clear thinker should,

"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?...It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."

With the ever-expanding, extra-constitutional right to privacy, the inventive application of the Equal Protection Clause, in conjunction with our moral devolution spearheaded by the psychiatric profession, adult-child sex may one day be legal. With the discovery by our learned Supreme Court Justices of the "right to abortion" and now the "right to sodomy," the day may not be far away when sex with children is considered "fundamental" and "constitutional." And when that day comes, ask we might, but it's doubtful that G-d will any longer bless America.


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1 posted on 07/08/2003 7:08:40 AM PDT by F_Cohen
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To: F_Cohen
My 22 year old son said years ago that first they get us to accept homosexual sex, then necrophilia, beastiality, and pedophilia.
2 posted on 07/08/2003 7:16:52 AM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, the Hildabeast, Mistress of ALL Darkness? Me Neither!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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3 posted on 07/08/2003 7:17:59 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: F_Cohen
Impeach The Sodomy Six!
4 posted on 07/08/2003 7:20:34 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: F_Cohen
Our old decaying members of the SCOTUSA have once again open the door to let more deamons loose.

And of course our spineless elected officals are more concerned about reelection than what is moral, and will do nothing to counteract the pervision let loose again as they did nothing to prevent the murder of millions and millions of defenseless inocent babies from be torn apart by the murder for money crowd.

The next preversion to go before this decaying group will be even more evil, and will once again this group will set themselves up to invent new rules they feel are just.

5 posted on 07/08/2003 7:21:53 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: F_Cohen
Democrat Rep. James P. Moran of Virginia commented, "The government has no business regulating or legislating morality

Then what the hell are we doing with laws the prohibit murder and theft? Those laws are taken directly from the Ten Commandments, which also means, of course, they violate the separation of church and state as well.

Open up those prison doors and let my people go!

6 posted on 07/08/2003 7:31:11 AM PDT by Houmatt (If it is about what goes on in the bedroom, why doesn't it stay there? And leave our kids alone!)
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To: goldstategop
Just one or two will do the trick (Breyer/or Souter and Kennedy). The other obsequious bastards will get the message.

This once great Constitutional Republic rejected the notion of philosopher kings ruling the proletariat, at its inception. Sadly, to function as a Constitutional Republic the true sovereigns must be participating in its healthy operation ... which of course the democrat party has adequately proven they are not and have been trained to vote on reflex, without paying the slightest attention to truth or any other essential for active, healthy sovereignty.

7 posted on 07/08/2003 7:34:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: buffyt
"My 22 year old son said years ago that first they get us to accept homosexual sex, then necrophilia, beastiality, and pedophilia."

The three things you note require only one consenting adult. However, I will reason like a judge here and rule for the perp.

Necrophilia is exempt from the consenting adults because one of them is dead, and it insults the court to even consider that a dead person can give consent. Therefore, as long as there is one consenting adult in this case, and as long as it is private, it is constitutional, and the police are not to interfere because it may harm the dignity of the live adult.

Animals are not listed in the Constitution. Therefore, animals are legal property of their owners. An animal is by logical definition, not an adult. Therefore, as long as bestiality takes place in the privacy of a home, and there is one consenting adult, it is constitutional, and the police are not to interfere because it may harm the dignity of the human adult.

Pedophilia deals with sex with children. Children are by definition not adults. However, if in the opinion of an adult, sex with a child would be beneficial to the child, and as long as it is in the privacy of the home, it is constitutional, and the police may not interfere because it would harm the dignity of the adult.

8 posted on 07/08/2003 7:55:36 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Houmatt
Then what the hell are we doing with laws the prohibit murder and theft? Those laws are taken directly from the Ten Commandments, which also means, of course, they violate the separation of church and state as well.

Such laws can be justified on more than one basis. Laws prohibiting murder, theft, etc. existed independently of and prior to the writing of the Ten Commandments. The ancient Greeks, for one, had never heard of the God of Abraham, but somehow managed to come up with the same ideas.

Also, it's a lot different admitting Biblical law as an inspiration for law, as opposed to using Scripture directly as law. There are a helluva lot of other laws in the Old Testament that don't belong in a free society.

Snidely

9 posted on 07/08/2003 8:00:18 AM PDT by Snidely Whiplash
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To: F_Cohen
"I have no problem accepting the fact that someone, through no fault of his own, is attracted to children..."

"I have no problem accepting the fact that Typhoid Mary contracted the disease through no fault of her own... So she shouldn't be quaranteened, even though she's spreading a deadly disease, because it's not her fault...

Jeez, these people make me sick.

Mark

10 posted on 07/08/2003 8:00:31 AM PDT by MarkL (OK, I'm going to crawl back under my rock now!)
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To: F_Cohen
This guy is good. WHo is he?
11 posted on 07/08/2003 8:05:08 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: F_Cohen
This ruling will do wonders for Clinton's home state. No more incest jokes since brothers and sisters and other family members will have the right to privacy.
12 posted on 07/08/2003 8:06:57 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: F_Cohen; sinkspur; tpaine; tdadams; breakem; Kevin Curry; ArGee; L.N. Smithee; Polycarp; ...
I've been saying this for years. Liberaltarian social experiment BUMP and the Consequences of selfishness.
13 posted on 07/08/2003 8:08:40 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: F_Cohen
Does anybody here seriously think that the SC would allow sex with children, if it somehow made it all the way there. Seriously, the speculation is a bit silly. There is a big difference between sex between adults and sex with children who can't really consent. I don't like homosexuality, and I'll speak my mind about it and take shots at it, but I won't try and use something as ridiculous as this opening the door to sex with children to go after it. I, and most everybody else here, can make much better cases against homosexuality.
14 posted on 07/08/2003 8:14:13 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Clint N. Suhks
bump with no comment
15 posted on 07/08/2003 8:16:22 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: F_Cohen
“consenting adult” is homosexual propaganda and redundant. If one has the mental capacity to consent then one is an adult and the legislature be damned. Child emancipation happens all the time in the courts by a standard of IQ, capacity to consent applies in Texas for the death penalty, power of attorney and emancipating the mentally ill, and there is NO reason other than arbitrary law that children can’t meet this burden.
16 posted on 07/08/2003 8:17:34 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Ahban
The author?

This is a url to the piece with a brief bio and archive at the bottom....
17 posted on 07/08/2003 8:26:43 AM PDT by F_Cohen
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Nicely put!!
18 posted on 07/08/2003 8:28:11 AM PDT by F_Cohen
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To: Ahban
My bad

The author?

This is a url to the piece with a brief bio and archive at the bottom....

http://toogoodreports.com/column/general/phillips/20030708.htm
19 posted on 07/08/2003 8:28:58 AM PDT by F_Cohen
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To: Houmatt
Old Jimmy Moran sort of admits that what he wants to protect is immoral. So in his mind it must be a logical progression that the government has no business involving itself in decadence, degeneracy, abberations and abominations. I guess there should no longer be any "malum in se" only "malum prohibitum". Thank God we have idiots like Moran to show us the light.
20 posted on 07/08/2003 8:30:51 AM PDT by Dionysius
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To: F_Cohen
"This is not a glorious and beautiful time to be a gerbil."
21 posted on 07/08/2003 8:32:56 AM PDT by Dionysius
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To: Dionysius
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
22 posted on 07/08/2003 8:39:14 AM PDT by F_Cohen
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To: buffyt
"My 22 year old son said years ago that first they get us to accept homosexual sex, then necrophilia, beastiality, and pedophilia."

So did I. Nobody believed me. Now the only question is: which band of perverts will be next to 'come out of the closet' and assert rights? My guess is the necrophiles, because they can make the claim that a corpse is not injured (it being past all caring) by any sexual act perpetrated upon it. We shall see.

--Boris

23 posted on 07/08/2003 8:39:34 AM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: F_Cohen; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; aposiopetic; ...
Homosexual predation of young male teenagers is rampant and culturally accepted in the homosexual movement, and it is irrefutably the ROOT CAUSE of the current crisis in the Roman Catholic Church.

Its no longer about just letting two consenting adults do whatever they want in the "privacy" of their own bedroom.

Theirs is an all out, full court press to stigmatize ANYONE who rejects the notion that homosexual behavior is intrinsically disordered, and to tear down ANY remaining legal constraints against their behavior, including predation of young teenagers.

Always remember the words of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg:

As an attorney for the ACLU Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg co-authored a report recommending that the age of consent for sexual acts be lowered to 12 years of age ("Sex Bias in the U.S. Code," Report for the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, April 1977, p. 102).

The paragraph reads as follows: "Eliminate the phrase "carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife, who has not attained the age of 16 years" and substitute a federal, sex-neutral definition of the offense.... A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person.... [and] the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old..)"

24 posted on 07/08/2003 8:43:34 AM PDT by Polycarp (When a mother can kill her own child, what is left of the West to save?" - Mother Theresa)
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To: af_vet_rr
There is a big difference between sex between adults and sex with children who can't really consent.

Children can consent, what makes you think they can’t, because the legislature says so? LOL So if the legislature made the age of consent 12 like it is in the Nederlands you think the USSC is going to intervene?

25 posted on 07/08/2003 8:48:10 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: boris
Now the only question is: which band of perverts will be next to 'come out of the closet' and assert rights?

We already know which band of perverts -- it's those nice people who want to lower the age of consent. (In Britain, the "boy-lovers" have apparently made pretty good progress....)

Probably incest is going to take a little longer, but it wouldn't surprise me to see that legalized, eventually.

At the same time, I will not be surprised to see a successful effort to legalize all manner of multi-partner marriage arrangements.

26 posted on 07/08/2003 8:49:50 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Polycarp
recommending that the age of consent for sexual acts be lowered to 12 years of age

Ahhh - documentation. Thanks.

27 posted on 07/08/2003 8:51:00 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: boris
My guess is the necrophiles,

I believe it will be the consenting incestuals next, then the bestials (“sex” with property) as they have no consenting issues except from Liberaltarian hypocrites that rely on the 10th amendment when it’s convenient.

28 posted on 07/08/2003 8:55:12 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Polycarp
Friends have scoffed at my statement that this recent SCOTUS decision will be the reason they will lower the age of consent to 12! I don't think this is too far fetched!
29 posted on 07/08/2003 8:57:43 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Clint N. Suhks wrote:
"I've been saying this for years."


And, -- I've been saying ~this~ for years:

- Some of the sickest people on FR are those who obsess about their peers supposed sicknesses.
30 posted on 07/08/2003 8:59:46 AM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is wea)
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To: Enterprise
Pedophilia deals with sex with children. Children are by definition not adults.

The Libertarian Party platform supports allowing children to declare their adulthood.

31 posted on 07/08/2003 9:00:28 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: F_Cohen
A Fundamental Constitutional Right To Have Sex With Children, Too?

Hey, maybe this guy can make that argument when he comes to court.

32 posted on 07/08/2003 9:05:11 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Houmatt
Then what the hell are we doing with laws the prohibit murder and theft?

It seems some people can't make the distinction between a moral objection and actual harm.

33 posted on 07/08/2003 9:14:53 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tpaine
- Some of the sickest people on FR are those who obsess about their peers supposed sicknesses.

And an OPINION from a hypocrite and a liar is worth what??? Do you accuse those who speak out against abortion, euthanasia, legalizing drugs, atheism, gambling, prostitution, moral relativism, the Liberaltarian social experiment, et al debilitating and otherwise negative affects to our society and culture as being “obsessive”??? …Oh that’s RIGHT you don’t. WHY? Because you are a hypocrite. I almost forgot.

But what just for shits and giggles, what makes you think homosexuality isn’t a pathology??? The APA? BWAHAHAHAHAAA…

34 posted on 07/08/2003 9:15:37 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Polycarp
Ruth Bader Ginsburg co-authored a report recommending that the age of consent for sexual acts be lowered to 12 years of age ("Sex Bias in the U.S. Code," Report for the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, April 1977, p. 102).

I didn't know that...thanks for the cite.

Slippery slope slide to hell BUMP.

35 posted on 07/08/2003 9:20:18 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: buffyt
My 22 year old son said years ago that first they get us to accept homosexual sex, then necrophilia, beastiality, and pedophilia.

And when that happens, then you can come back and tell us "I told you so." Until then, you're just another fearmonger yelling that the sky is falling.

My prediction... it's never going to happen. And I'm willing to put my money on it.

36 posted on 07/08/2003 9:21:45 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: cinFLA
"The Libertarian Party platform supports allowing children to declare their adulthood."

To be honest, I haven't kept up with what Libertarians want. Can you tell me what is the earliest age the Libertarians would allow a child to declare adulthood?

37 posted on 07/08/2003 9:22:52 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: af_vet_rr
Does anybody here seriously think that the SC would allow sex with children,(?)

Yes. I think it would. And I'll tell you how. Look for cases of men having sex with minors between 14 and 18 where there is explicit consent. Statutory rape charges are filed. The man sues on the basis of the age of consent law being arbitrary and unfair. It goes all the way to the supreme court. I would look for lots of "age of consent" lawsuits in the near future.
38 posted on 07/08/2003 9:40:40 AM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Sorry, I don't defend ANY freaks & weirdos. Including you.
39 posted on 07/08/2003 9:40:52 AM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is wea)
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To: tdadams
It seems some people can't make the distinction between a moral objection and actual harm.

What the hell are you talking about?

We have these morons all the time, carping about how we "cannot legislate morality." But guess what? We already do. That's why we have laws against murder, theft, suicide and drug abuse.

That's why I say these people who make such ludicrous statements had better be willing to take what they are saying to its logical conclusion or they should just shut up.

40 posted on 07/08/2003 9:44:23 AM PDT by Houmatt (If it is about what goes on in the bedroom, why doesn't it stay there? And leave our kids alone!)
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To: tdadams
My prediction... it's never going to happen. And I'm willing to put my money on it.

Reality check:

It already has happened with homosexual sex. It is beginning to happen now with pedophilia.

I suggest you start looking for a second job, because you have a lot of money to be paying out.

41 posted on 07/08/2003 9:47:15 AM PDT by Houmatt (If it is about what goes on in the bedroom, why doesn't it stay there? And leave our kids alone!)
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To: Houmatt
I stand by what I said. It's never going to happen.

Reasonable people can and do make seemingly arbitrary distinctions about life and the law all the time with nary a trace of dischordance about it.

Homosexual sodomy is now legal - as it should be. Pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia or whatever your favorite philia is will not be made legal as a result of the Lawrence decision.

42 posted on 07/08/2003 9:54:21 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Houmatt
What the hell are you talking about? ...we have laws against murder, theft, suicide and drug abuse.

I guess I'm talking about you, who just provided a fine example of someone who can't discern between a moral objection and incidents of actual harm (such as murder and theft).

43 posted on 07/08/2003 9:57:23 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Snidely Whiplash
"Such laws can be justified on more than one basis."

Maybe, but they are still based on someone foisting their morals on other. Every law we have is based on that very premise.

44 posted on 07/08/2003 9:59:24 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: tdadams
"It seems some people can't make the distinction between a moral objection and actual harm."

It is a moral stance to stay that harming another is wrong.

45 posted on 07/08/2003 10:03:04 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: af_vet_rr
Why are you surprised?

If the SC can say it is ok to have SODOMY, then why is it a stretch to say it is ok to have sex with a 12 year old?
46 posted on 07/08/2003 10:05:41 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: Houmatt
We have these morons all the time, carping about how we "cannot legislate morality." But guess what? We already do.
Of course we do. Our entire judicial system presumes the moral virtues of truth and justice.
47 posted on 07/08/2003 10:09:25 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: buffyt
My 22 year old son said years ago that first they get us to accept homosexual sex, then necrophilia, beastiality, and pedophilia.

When you accept those things, he will be right, until then, it's ludicrious.

48 posted on 07/08/2003 10:11:25 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: RaceBannon
If the SC can say it is ok to have SODOMY, then why is it a stretch to say it is ok to have sex with a 12 year old?

Consenual vs non-consensual. Minors cannot give consent. But you knew that.

49 posted on 07/08/2003 10:15:16 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: RaceBannon
If the SC can say it is ok to have SODOMY, then why is it a stretch to say it is ok to have sex with a 12 year old?

Consenual vs non-consensual. Minors cannot give consent. But you knew that.

50 posted on 07/08/2003 10:15:16 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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