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U.S. agency confirms sinking of USS Liberty was accident
Haaretz ^ | 9/7/2003 | Nathan Guttman

Posted on 07/08/2003 4:33:17 PM PDT by Courier

U.S. agency confirms sinking of USS Liberty was accident

By Nathan Guttman, Haaretz Correspondent

WASHINGTON - New documents released this week by America's National Security Agency support Israel's version of a long-festering controversy between the two countries: Israel's sinking of an American spy ship, the USS Liberty, off the coast of Gaza during the 1967 Six-Day War.

Israel has always said it had no idea the ship was American, but conspiracy theorists and anti-Israel propagandists still claim Israel sank the ship in the full knowledge that it was American.

The documents, originally defined as top secret, were made public by Florida Judge Jay Cristol, who

has been investigating the Liberty incident for years and published a book on the subject last year. On Monday, the NSA gave him a transcript of conversations held by two Israeli Air Force helicopter pilots who were hovering over the Liberty as it was sinking, and these tapes confirm Israel's claim that the sinking of the ship, which killed 34 American servicemen and wounded 171, was a tragic error.

After the Liberty was bombed by both the Israel Air Force and the Israel Navy, the two helicopter pilots were summoned from their base to assess the damage and evaluate the possibility of rescuing the surviving crew members. An American spy plane, which had been sent to the area as soon as the NSA learned of the attack, recorded their conversations, which took place between 2:30 and 3:37 P.M. on June 8, the third day of the war.

The spy plane also recorded the orders radioed to the pilots by their supervisor at Hatzor Base, which instructed them to search for Egyptian survivors from the "Egyptian warship" that had just been bombed - thus supporting Israel's claim that it had believed the ship was Egyptian when it ordered it attacked. "Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian," the pilots were told.

Nine minutes later, Hatzor informed the pilots that it was not an Egyptian warship, but an Egyptian cargo ship. Only at 3:07 were the pilots first informed that the ship might not have been Egyptian at all: Hatzor told them that if they found Arabic-speaking survivors, they should be taken to El-Arish, but if they found English-speaking survivors, they should be taken to Lod. "Clarify by the first man that you bring up, what nationality he is, and report to me immediately," the supervisor instructed, according to the transcript. "It's important to know."

Then, at 3:12, one of the pilots informed Hatzor that he saw an American flag flying over the wounded ship. He was asked to investigate and determine whether it was really an American ship.

This is not the first time such transcripts have been made public: Israel gave its own recordings of the pilots' conversations to the British television station Thames in 1987. But conspiracy theorists charged that Israel had doctored the tapes before handing them over to the station in order to hide the fact that it sank the Liberty intentionally. No such imputation can be made about these new transcripts, as they were never in Israeli hands.

Israel has always said it attacked the Liberty, which America sent to the region to gather intelligence on the progress of the war, because it believed it was an Egyptian supply ship ferrying supplies to the Egyptian troops that Israel was then fighting. When it discovered the error, it immediately informed the Americans, apologized and paid compensation to the victims' families.

The incident was investigated by inquiry commissions in both Israel and the United States, and both concluded that it had, indeed, been a tragic error. Nevertheless, the controversy never died. In 1979, one of the survivors, James Ennes, published a book accusing Israel of bombing the American ship deliberately. Ennes claimed an Israeli spy plane had hovered over the ship all morning and had surely identified it as American, since the American flag was clearly visible.

A later book, written by James Bamford, charged that Israel sank the ship in order to keep America from learning of its plans to attack Syria, and further claimed that the NSA had tapes of conversations among Israeli pilots that not only confirmed this, but also proved that the tapes released by Israel had been doctored.

Another claim that appears frequently on the dozens of Internet sites devoted to the affair is that Israel sank the ship to conceal a mass murder of Egyptian soldiers on the Sinai peninsula.

In its letter to Cristol, the NSA stressed that, contrary to the claims that often appear in such books and Web sites - that the agency has tapes from both the Liberty and from a nearby American submarine that confirm Israel's guilt - the only tapes that exist were those made by the spy plane and given to Cristol this week.

"It's the last piece of intelligence that remained classified, and every rational person that will read it will understand that there is no truth in these conspiracy theories against Israel," Cristol said Tuesday. But he added: "Those who hate Israel, who hate Jews, and those who believe in conspiracy will not be convinced by anything."

Cristol, a former U.S. navy pilot and legal officer, began investigating the Liberty incident 14 years ago. Since publishing his book, which vindicates Israel, he has received threats and been accused of being an Israeli agent. "I take this lightly, but I am saddened to learn that there is this kind of hate toward Israel," he said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel
KEYWORDS: accident; bloodlibel; israel; nsa; sixdaywar; ussliberty
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To: Courier
but the Israelis themselves as their conversations being secretly recorded by the United States prove, did not.

At some level. The US spy planes picked up the communications to the pilots only.

41 posted on 07/08/2003 5:05:55 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: DPB101
Take a hike...... I notice you don't deny there are many who hate Israel out there. Go play your game of lumping 'em all together on some one else.
42 posted on 07/08/2003 5:07:27 PM PDT by dennisw (G-d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: NormsRevenge
You worked with someone who was traumatized by the attack, but how could this person claim to know what was in the minds of Israeli pilots?

The "eyewitness" accounts differ in man important ways - they are not all identical. That's how eyewitness accounts are, especially eyewitness accounts under fire. It's also natural to want to blame people for the loss of your friends lives. I have nothing against the survivors - they survived a horrible accident.

Why would the NSA release this at such a late date if they were just making it all up? Are you saying the intercept was doctored by the NSA? For what purpose?

You guys are really getting into tinfoil territory here.

43 posted on 07/08/2003 5:08:14 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: Courier
They had no idea what they were trying to sink:

"Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian," the pilots were told.

"Clarify by the first man that you bring up, what nationality he is, and report to me immediately,"

Considering the circumstances, I don't blame them. It wasn't murder, it was self defense. Their nation was on the line.

44 posted on 07/08/2003 5:08:29 PM PDT by Nexus
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To: Burkeman1
The men who served and died on that ship will be called anti semitic rather soon on this thread.

I hope not. The men who were there have an excellent reason for not accepting the truth: they do not want to be told that they suffered and died for nothing more than somebody's negligence. They want to believe that their agony redounded to somebody's geopolitical purpose. They want a villain to blame, not a careless functionary. It's perfectly understandable...but that shouldn't affect the judgment of those of us who weren't there.

45 posted on 07/08/2003 5:09:48 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: drlevy88
Combat BUMP.

Jammer
46 posted on 07/08/2003 5:09:51 PM PDT by JamminJAY (This space for rent)
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To: adam_az
Even I didn't expect some of these responses.

Maybe they are too stupid to understand.

The NSA, that's our spy agency, spying on Israeli communications as the event was occurring, at a time of war by the way, proves that the Israelis didn't know who they were attacking, and the issue becomes why the reporter for this story used the term "sink".
47 posted on 07/08/2003 5:10:02 PM PDT by Courier (Quick: Name one good thing about the Saudis.)
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To: NormsRevenge
When I see an amazing lie/miss quote like that at the beginning of a story, that is it. The switch in my mind goes off, my CNS reflexes shout out, "Danger! This Article is full of lies! Go elsewhere!"
48 posted on 07/08/2003 5:10:14 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: drlevy88
At some level. The US spy planes picked up the communications to the pilots only.

DID YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLE????

"Then, at 3:12, one of the pilots informed Hatzor that he saw an American flag flying over the wounded ship. He was asked to investigate and determine whether it was really an American ship."

What made you think they only recorded one side when the article quotes both sides?

Both sides are also available from the Israelis - who released them in 1987. Wanna bet both copies are identical?
49 posted on 07/08/2003 5:12:39 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: Courier
Why doesn't someone poll the survivors? At this late point most are no doubt out of the military and free to tell their individual stories.

It doesn't get any better than first person accounts.

50 posted on 07/08/2003 5:14:33 PM PDT by fightu4it (Hillary Clinton -- Commander-In-Chief of US Armed Forces? Never.....Never....Never!)
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To: adam_az
I mean to/from pilots. Sorry for not being clear. Who knows what was going on within hq or what they might have heard from elsewhere.
51 posted on 07/08/2003 5:15:12 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Courier
Not to mention that the US Navy lied to Israel, claiming they had no ships in the combat area.

There are some serious tinfoil hat type morons on free republic. These threads always bring 'em out. At least Illbay is gone, finally!
52 posted on 07/08/2003 5:18:15 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: Courier
"Those who hate Israel, who hate Jews, and those who believe in conspiracy will not be convinced by anything."

I don't hate Israel or hate Jews and I don't like to be accused of such. I am 1/2 Jewish myself. I also don't think of myself as much of a conspiracy theorist. Nevertheless I believe the men who were on that ship over those who have political reasons for covering up the truth.

"Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian," the pilots were told.

These tapes, coming after the multiple attacks, could just be the initial step in the cover-up. They do not prove that the Israeli units making the attack and their commanders did not know the ship was American.

53 posted on 07/08/2003 5:18:41 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: dennisw
Since I essentially accept Jay Cristol's conclusions, I'll wait to see what's in these new docs. Do you know where he's released them?
54 posted on 07/08/2003 5:19:07 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Courier
You should learn respect for those who have different opinions or interpretations from yours before you assess levels of intelligence.

I see a title, I know English and while there are many different meanings for the word "sink", the only thing this article has done is make a feeble attempt to stir up old emotions.

The question would be why? That's where it gets a bit stickier. What is the motivation?

55 posted on 07/08/2003 5:19:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (IN ZOT WE TRUST! ........... http:www.DRAFTTOM.com)
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To: Courier
Sink in English, as relating to a ship, has a very precise meaning, I am sure that the editors at Haaretz many of whom were educated in the US or UK are aware of that meaning.

NSA has an agenda which serves a political agenda, see the Venona Papers for example. Bye the way, when we were looking for people for our annual Israel day FReep against the palis where were you and if you were among many fine Jewish people that were defending Israel at the Commonwealth Pier why didn't you come on over and introduce yourself?

56 posted on 07/08/2003 5:19:48 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
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To: fightu4it
Seriously. What is wrong with you people?

First person account? Do you understand this news. The event was recorded in real time. By the United States. Secretly.

There is no question there was an attack. There is no question that Israel attacked an American ship. There is no question that the Liberty crew saw Israelis attacking them.

The only question is what did the Israelis know.

Here an unimpeachable American source tells you in real time what the Israelis knew, or didn't know.

They did not know they were attacking an American ship until it was too late.

It was an unfortunate accident. Like us killing those Canadians.
57 posted on 07/08/2003 5:19:59 PM PDT by Courier (Quick: Name one good thing about the Saudis.)
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To: Physicist
Complete horsechips. The testimony of the men on that ship is uniform. It was attacked for OVER AN HOUR by both Israeli torpedo boats and aircraft! It was flying the flag unlike the liar Israeli excuse said. Whom do you believe?
58 posted on 07/08/2003 5:21:27 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: fightu4it
Often it doesn't get any WORSE than first person accounts!

Especially a "first person" who is inside a ship that's taking fire from highly trained IDF pilots.

The first person accounts of the Liberty survivors aren't even consistent on many basic facts, case in point:

Ask any lawyer or judge or police officer about the veracity (or lack thereof) of first person accounts.

59 posted on 07/08/2003 5:21:55 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: Little Bill
"many fine Jewish people"

If I support Israel and common sense, does that make me Jewish? Or is it some other tell tale sign?
60 posted on 07/08/2003 5:22:26 PM PDT by Courier (Quick: Name one good thing about the Saudis.)
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