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Selling Homosexuality to America
CBN ^ | 7/11/03 | Craig von Buseck

Posted on 07/11/2003 2:12:34 PM PDT by apackof2

Selling Homosexuality to America

By Craig von Buseck
CBN.com Producer

In this exclusive interview, Paul Rondeau talks about his in-depth study, Selling Homosexuality to America, which was recently published in the Regent Law Review.

CBN.com – In his recent study, Selling Homosexuality to America, marketing expert Paul Rondeau explains, "Among America's culture wars, one of today's most intense controversies rages around the issue alternatively identified, depending on one's point of view, as "normalizing homosexuality" or "accepting gayness." The debate is truly a social-ethical-moral conceptual war that transcends both the scientific and legal, though science and law most often are the weapons of choice. The ammunition for these weapons, however, is persuasion."

This article and interview explores how gay rights activists use rhetoric, psychology, and the media to frame what is discussed in the public arena -- and how it is discussed. "In essence," Rondeau points out, "when it comes to homosexuality, activists want to shape 'what everyone knows' and 'what everyone takes for granted' even if everyone does not really know and even if it should not be taken for granted."

"The first strategy of persuasion," he goes on to say, "is to establish a favorable climate for your message so that the communicator (marketer) can influence the future decision without even appearing to be persuading ... This is at the heart of the homosexual campaign: to get consent via social construct today to determine whose idea of personal freedoms will prevail in our legal codes tomorrow."

Paul Rondeau has been a senior sales and marketing management professional with industry leaders for over 25 years. He holds an M.A. in Management, with a specialty in persuasive communication. Currently, he is a doctoral student in communication studies with a focus in rhetoric and persuasion.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: agenda; aides; cults; culturewar; downourthroats; gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; homosexualvice; idolatry; marketing; nuclearfamily; paulrondeau; pc; perverts; politicallycorrect; proproganda; regentlawreview; samesexdisorder; sexualdeviants; sodomy; study
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To: I got the rope
yes, and yes. I do vote, and I do stand for things that I beleive are right. Equal (not special) rights are an issue for me, but I don't beleive gays should get married. Marriage is a covenant of God, and should therefore be left to the chrches anyways, not the gov't.

You can berate, scream, picket, holler all you want. I just don't agree with that approach.

Mom always said you get more flies with honey than vinegar, and I tend to agree.

181 posted on 07/13/2003 9:55:33 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: Jorge
I was just trying to point out your M.O. Jorge. You attacked me on more than one occasion. Without knowing the facts BTW. Now you play the victim. I was trying to explain some things to PurVirgo, but you insist on corrupting this thread by calling me self-rightous and trying to find Biblical inaccuracy when there is none.

I'll play nice, but you better not whine...dude.
182 posted on 07/13/2003 10:04:29 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope
Jorge, why do I get the feeling that you are everthing but a follower of Christ.

Probably because you are so busy condemning anybody who dares disagree with you...that you have are hard time imagining them ascending to your personal level of holiness.

If you are not going to accept my apology for hurting your feeling then I'll have to take it back and start flaming you. I don't want that. I don't want to have to follow you from thread to thread for weeks on end.

You can stalk me all over the internet if you want. Flame me for months on end.
Do you think I care?

I welcome any and all challenges to my posts.
It's what makes posting on FR fun.

183 posted on 07/13/2003 10:06:37 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: PurVirgo
Fair enough. I guess for some this approach could work. My wife uses it on me all the time. LOL. Good luck with "the Word." Don't give up. If at times you find something confusing, put the book down and pray about it.

Sometimes having more than one translation helps too.
184 posted on 07/13/2003 10:10:09 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Jorge
In case you haven't noticed - this thread is what, a day or so old. I got a rope, sweetliberty, viaveritaswita and myself, even though there was disagreement, have been able to discuss a controversial topic without reverting to name calling and immaturity.
185 posted on 07/13/2003 10:10:51 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: I got the rope
ok... hey, a bible study on FR would be pretty neat. But then, not such a good idea now that I think about it
186 posted on 07/13/2003 10:12:59 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: I got the rope
I was just trying to point out your M.O. Jorge. You attacked me on more than one occasion. Without knowing the facts BTW.

Funny, I don't remember attacking you.
But then I don't take FR message board disagreements personally. You shouldn't either.

I really don't remember any past unpleasant encounters with you. Sorry.

Now you play the victim.

I TOLD YOU. I was JOKING. I think your attacks are funny. It's a form of message board entertainment for me.

I was trying to explain some things to PurVirgo, but you insist on corrupting this thread by calling me self-rightous and trying to find Biblical inaccuracy when there is none.

You poor thing. Nothing's stopping you from clarifying your personal positions or Biblical convictions to anyone.

Perhaps if you would stop condemning those whose disagree with you as not being followers of Christ, you might be more convincing.
Just a suggestion dude.

187 posted on 07/13/2003 10:24:14 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Most of the time I am joking. Especially when I said I would hunt you down like an angry troll (I wish I could find that gif image!)

I try to stay low-key in many posts, but I certainly remember you in all the homo-apologist threads that start here on FR. Your angle is the liberaltarian one. I can't accept this. It's too illogical for me...it is also counter to my Christian beliefs.

I don't think I've ever been "hypocritical" on any subject here.

Maybe you should clarify how you feel on certain subjects so that all on this thread can see for themselves. Enlighten us Jorge. BTW is pronounced "Hor-he"
188 posted on 07/13/2003 10:42:05 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope
BTW is IT prounounced "Hor-he"?
189 posted on 07/13/2003 10:43:42 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: sweetliberty
I never denied that bug chasing is a real phenomenon, for God knows why. I stated that the article you cited was less than truthful in many aspects, specifically the 25% of new infections number cited.

I'll take a look at the other links you posted. Thanks.

190 posted on 07/14/2003 2:27:57 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: MHGinTN
Deviancy in sexual matters (whether adultery, or homosexual behavior, or addiction to pornography ...) is an immaturity in sexual development where sexual and social development run into the 'diety' needs of the adult human being...

The idolatry of perversion... click on my name...

191 posted on 07/14/2003 4:34:20 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Jorge
BUT...it seems to me that homosexuality goes further than simple sexual immorality

Idolatry of perversion...

192 posted on 07/14/2003 4:37:06 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: PurVirgo
As for astrology, it's more entertainment than anything else.

It is idolatry. Click on my name...

193 posted on 07/14/2003 4:39:00 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: ThinkFreedom
What you're talking about is a tactic the left uses that was started by Leon Trotsky, known as "entrism".

The idolatry of Marxist paganism...

194 posted on 07/14/2003 4:45:15 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Jorge
I'm not arguing that it's an exact science, it's just my anecdotal observation that gays appear to have a lot in common, regardless of where they're from or how old they are.

We could spot it easily as kids, and there does seem to be some kind of "gay sensibility." It's a stereotype, but gays really are florists, flight attendants, decorators, etc.

And since these stereotypes apply to gays from all over, there must be SOMETHING that gives them a common link. If not a gay gene, then I'm curious as to what it is.

195 posted on 07/14/2003 9:19:11 AM PDT by ItsJeff
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To: Jorge; I got the rope; viaveritasvita
{Now try getting a thread going about the evil adultery and heterosexual fornication is causing our society...and see how many responses you get}

FYI. Here are two recent FR threads which discussed these issues. Both threads did receive a lot of responses.

"He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/929495/posts

"NEIL Bush Admits Asian Flings While Married"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/945236/posts

196 posted on 07/14/2003 9:29:53 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: MHGinTN; All
Our Last, Best Option

BreakPoint with Charles Colson

The Federal Marriage Amendment

The gay-rights movement is advancing like, as one gay activist put it, a juggernaut. First, Canada by judicial fiat legalized same-sex "marriage," and gay couples rushed to Canada to get "married." Second, in the Lawrence decision two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court by judicial fiat struck down the Texas law prohibiting sodomy that makes consensual sex a protected right and sets the precedent for gay "marriage." And third, the Massachusetts Supreme Court by judicial fiat will likely legalize same-sex unions in that state—a ruling that could lead to a domino effect nationwide.

For centuries, civilizations worldwide protected heterosexual families because sex, in the natural order of things, is for procreation. But since the sexual revolution, we've treated sex as recreation, and now people are demanding it like a civil right, and they are succeeding. Gay "marriage" is on the horizon.

And some Christians believe that the battle is lost. There was hardly a protest over the Supreme Court case, one friend told me. And he said, "Face it, Chuck. You can't stop this juggernaut."

Oh, yeah? I'm reminded of the Battle of the Bulge in World War II. The Allied troops were surrounded, and their situation seemed hopeless. The Germans sent a message to the American general Anthony McAuliffe, asking him to surrender and save lives. His answer lives on in American folklore: "Us, surrender? Nuts."

Well, I say we do not rub our hands in despair. I say "nuts" to those who want to give up. Let's roll up our sleeves and get busy.

There is one thing left that could stop the gay "marriage" steamroller. It's a Constitutional amendment. And there's one prepared that says: "Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman."

I've been a little bit lukewarm to this idea because it's such a huge task to get a Constitutional amendment passed, but recent events have changed my mind. This is our last, best option.

The purpose of the Federal Marriage Amendment, according to Dr. Robert George of Princeton University, who helped draft it, is to take the decision about same-sex "marriage" out of the hands of the courts. The amendment will force the fight over marriage into legislatures and the democratic process.

And we can succeed, if Christians and others who value marriage refuse to lay down their arms and go to work.

Obviously, you need to talk to your senators and congressman about getting them to support the amendment. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) has already announced his support. There's no reason this can't pass in this Congress. Then it will go to the states for ratification, where our work will be cut out for us.

I don't want you just to make phone calls, however. I want you to start educating yourselves and your neighbors as to why heterosexual marriage is distinct. No society in history has ever tried this kind of radical social experiment. It's madness.

And we can make an intelligent case, but only if BreakPoint listeners are equipped with the worldview arguments to present it prudentially to their neighbors. So please call us here at BreakPoint (1-877-3-CALLBP). We'd like to send you information you can use. Then, let's go to work. I know it sounds extreme, but I believe nothing less than the survival of our culture is at stake.

197 posted on 07/14/2003 6:13:00 PM PDT by apackof2 (Listen much, talk little, learn greatly)
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To: I got the rope
Most of the time I am joking. Especially when I said I would hunt you down like an angry troll (I wish I could find that gif image!)

I'm glad to hear that. There are some kooks online who have nothing better to do than stalk and harrass people who've disagreed with them. Really weird..but they are out there.

I try to stay low-key in many posts, but I certainly remember you in all the homo-apologist threads that start here on FR. Your angle is the liberaltarian one. I can't accept this. It's too illogical for me...it is also counter to my Christian beliefs.

Actually, I only post in a fraction of all the FR threads on homosexuality. Unlike some who seem obsessed with the topic...I get bored with it.

I always find it interesting that some people claim my positions on this topic are contrary to their "Christian beliefs" when in fact all of my views come from the Bible as well as Christian ministries that deal with this topic..some of which have visited my church.

There is nothing homo-apologist about my views..and the only ones who accuse me of this either don't understand my beliefs, or are homophobic bigots who think the Bible is there to support their personal hatred of others.

So if you could tell me exactly where any of my views are counter to your Christian beliefs, I would love to hear about it. So far you haven't shown me anything unChristian about my views.

Maybe you should clarify how you feel on certain subjects so that all on this thread can see for themselves.

I don't see how I could be anymore bold in articulating a clear position when it comes to most topics. I'm not the least bit shy about voicing my views.

If you have something specific you don't get, by all means don't hesitate to ask me about it.

Enlighten us Jorge. BTW is pronounced "Hor-he"

It's pronounced "whore-hey". :)

198 posted on 07/14/2003 8:02:21 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: ItsJeff
It's a stereotype, but gays really are florists, flight attendants, decorators, etc.

LOL!
I'm almost 50 years old and I've met auto mechanics, welders and managers of businesses who turned out to be gay.

And I've met some drop-dead beautiful women who turned out to be lesbians.

Sure most of us can spot the obvious ones, but I've learned the stereotypes don't always apply.

199 posted on 07/14/2003 8:18:39 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
idolatry - n. 1. the worship of idols 2. Blind adoration

I don't understand... I don't "worship" astrology.

Out of curiosity, I let a friend of mine enter my birth information to do a natal chart. To be honest, what I got back was surprising. I found a striking similarity between my profile and my own personality.

That's where I left it. But who is to say that the position of the planets don't have influence? Who is to say that it doesn't? It's not even an argument worth considering. It's a quesion that some people would equate with the existence of God.

200 posted on 07/14/2003 9:41:28 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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