Skip to comments.French secret service 'kept CIA in the dark over Iraq and uranium'
Posted on 07/13/2003 5:14:06 PM PDT by Pokey78
The French secret service is believed to have refused to allow MI6 to give the Americans "credible" intelligence showing that Iraq was trying to buy uranium ore from Niger, US intelligence sources said yesterday.
MI6 had more than one "different and credible" piece of intelligence to show that Iraq was attempting to buy the ore, known as yellowcake, British officials insisted. But it was given to them by at least one and possibly two intelligence services and, under the rules governing cooperation, it could not be shared with anyone else without the originator's permission.
US intelligence sources believe that the most likely source of the MI6 intelligence was the French secret service, the DGSE. Niger is a former French colony and its uranium mines are run by a French company that comes under the control of the French Atomic Energy Commission.
A further factor in the refusal to hand over the information might have been concern that the US administration's willingness to publicise intelligence might lead to sources being inadvertently disclosed.
US sources also point out that the French government was vehemently opposed to the war with Iraq and so suggest that it would have been instinctively against the idea of passing on the intelligence.
British sources yesterday dismissed suggestions of a row between MI6 and the CIA on the issue. However, they admitted being surprised that George Tenet, the CIA director, had apologised to President George W Bush for allowing him to cite the British government and its claim that Saddam had sought to acquire uranium from Africa in his State of the Union speech last October.
The apology follows the International Atomic Energy Authority's dismissal of documents given to it by the CIA, which purported to prove the link, as fakes.
Those documents have been widely identified with last September's British dossier on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, which said Saddam Hussein was trying to buy uranium ore from an unnamed country in Africa.
British officials admitted that the country was Niger but insisted that the intelligence behind it was genuine and had nothing to do with the fake documents. It was convincing and they were sticking with it, the officials said.
They dismissed a report from a former US diplomat who was sent to Niger to investigate the claims and rejected them. "He seems to have asked a few people if it was true and when they said 'no' he accepted it all," one official said. "We see no reason at all to change our assessment."
The fake documents were not behind that assessment and were not seen by MI6 until after they were denounced by the IAEA. If MI6 had seen them earlier, it would have immediately advised the Americans that they were fakes.
There had been a number of reports in America in particular suggesting that the fake documents - which came from another intelligence source - were passed on via MI6, the officials said. But this was not true.
"What they can't accuse MI6 of doing is passing anything on this to the CIA because it didn't have the fake documents and it was not allowed to pass on the intelligence it did have to anyone else."
For several months, I have contended that the liberals and al-Qaida are natural allies.
They certainly share the same objective...
Jim, I think the word is "treasonous".
"...liberals and Democrats nearly lost the Cold War by providing aid and comfort to the Soviet Union and ... they are behaving in a similar fashion in the ongoing war on terrorism."
- Dawn Harris, of the Kansas City Star, summarizing the main argument made by Ann Coulter in her new book Treason.
You could always just call them the Mishmash Movement.
Now there's an oxymoron for you.
Let's all remember the contempt with which Bill Clinton spoke about then Governor Bush right before the Republican convention, calling him a "frat boy" who was wanting the Presidentcy because "his daddy had once had it."
I am telling you, the words of Chretien, Chirac, and Schroeder sound exactly like Clinton.
Then we have Clinton over at the "Progressive Government Leaders" convention in Britain siting with the President Of Chile and good old Chretien, giving HIS ideas on how the Iraqi occupation should be handled.
Grrrr. The more I think about this the madder I get.
I fully expect some DEVASTATING revelations in the not-too-distant future.
"W" is STILL playing Chess--while his opponents play Checkers. "Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey!"
The impatience of the 'Rats & Leftie Media is one of their greatest weaknesses. "RR" understood this well, & ambushed the "Lefties" repeatedly by gently pointing out that they'd "Stepped on Their Puds!"
That much I recognize.
You are of that theory too. We are probably right.
Easy now. The First Felon and his legacy deserve a prominent spot in history -- squarely atop the refuse pile in history's dumpster.
I've little doubt that Clinton would collude with Chirac to embarrass the U.S. Hell, he would collude with Osama and Saddam, if he thought it might serve him or his henchlady.
...and they're almost always more reliable.
This is almost poetic, really.
Yep... the infamous Mr. Joseph Williams, Gore campaign operative extroidinaire.
Anyone who resides in the Free Republic knows you are about as dialed-in as anyone can get. If you could expound on this, or provide links to such expositions, I would be in your debt.
I am a registered Libertarian myself, but I am not a rube. I know that when push comes to shove, it's more important for me to vote against international socialism (aka the DNC) than to vote for a fellow Libertarian out to score a few philosphical brownie points.
I learned that lesson the hard way, when I voted for Harry Browne in 1992 instead of George H. W. Bush. It is an error I shall not repeat, ever.
Please enlighten me, O Keeper of the Sacred Flame of Freedom!
"France's first lady expressed her support for a presidential run by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, saying that such a candidacy would be an inspiration to women worldwide."
Folks, there really is a Watergate style scandal coming. But it is not going to be about the administration. It is going to be about the Democrats.
And Clinton is going to be summond to testify about the knowledge he had concerning Iraq and Bin Ladin in the 9/11 investigation.
Pssst! His words about what he felt during HIS presidency are on record. Every word he spoke about why he felt he had to bomb the asprin factory and Iraq.
What did HE know, and when did he know it, aye?
With Gods help, this will come back to bite the Democrat attackers right in the as.......
1982 : (IRAQI AGENTS PAID $60 MILLION TO ITALIAN SMUGGLERS TO TRY TO OBTAIN SMUGGLE ENRICHED URANIUM, GETS SNOOKERED; THEN SUCCEED IN OBTAINING YELLOWCAKE TO ENRICH ON ITS OWN FROM CHINA, BRAZIL AND NIGER) In 1982 Iraqi agents paid $60 million to a team of Italian-based smugglers who claimed to have access to stores of plutonium and highly enriched uranium. According to U.S. officials, the smugglers' offer was a fraud, and the Iraqis walked away from it empty- handed. Stung by those setbacks, Baghdad turned to a third means of joining the nuclear club: the enrichment of uranium to weapons-grade level in gas centrifuges. The centrifuges take uranium-bearing ore or a mixture called yellowcake and separate out the 3% of uranium 235, which is fissionable, from the 97% of uranium 238, which is not. Iraq is known to possess 250 tons of yellowcake, most of it purchased in the 1970s from Brazil, China and Niger. In recent years the country has also begun producing its own yellowcake from mines in northern Iraq. - "When Will Saddam Get the Bomb? Not nearly so soon as the Bush Administration claims, "By William R. Doerner, December 10, 1990 via TIME Capsule, The Evolution of the Iraqi Threat, Monday, May. 13, 2002 of http://www.time.com/time/classroom/article/0,12422,235482,00.html.
I have no doubt .. remember, Clinton himself had been making the arounds
I'll never forget short aftrr he meet with Mandela .. Mandela came out swinging against the US
The sixties is what happened to the Democrats.
The doctors tried to warn them too much acid would cause their offspring to have birth defects.
The doctors were right.
"Does the Administration wish to call witness? Just one Mr Chairman, Double-Agent aka Chief Inspector Closeau."
Well, not exactly. Remember, Bush only said the British intelligence had information indicating that Iraq TRIED to purchase uranium from Africa. He never said the information indicated they succeeded, nor that the Iraqis were making contact with people who were really capble of providing it, or just getting caught in a sting or a scam- in which case the docs would naturally be forged in order to convince the Iraqis the sellers had the goods.
The untold story is that the press seems to always fail to mention that Iraq did succeed in getting yellowcake from various sources before, including Niger, Braziland Portugal. It is this yellowcake which was stashed at that site under "international supervision" of el Baradei's IAEA after the Gulf War:
FEBRUARY 8, 1981 : (NIGER SHIPS YELLOWCAKE TO IRAQ) Niger ships yellowcake to Iraq in two batches. Batch one, which consists of 432 drums and 137,435kg of yellowcake, is received. Fourth Consolidated Report of the Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency under paragraph 16 of Security Council resolution 1051 (1996), S/1997/779, 8 October 1997, pp. 25-26, ; Fact Sheet: Iraq's Nuclear Weapon Programme, IAEA Action Team
1982 : (IRAQ GETS YELLOWCAKE FROM NIGER & PORTUGAL) Iraq obtains 426 drums containing 139,409kg of yellowcake from Niger and 487 drums containing 148,348kg yellowcake from Portugal. Fact Sheet: Iraq's Nuclear Weapon Programme, IAEA Action Team
MARCH 18, 1982 : (IRAQ GETS YELLOWCAKE FROM NIGER) Iraq receives is second shipment of yellowcake from Niger. It consists of 426 drums containing 139,409kg yellowcake. Fourth Consolidated Report of the Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency under paragraph 16 of Security Council resolution 1051 (1996), S/1997/779, 8 October 1997, pp. 25-26
The interesting thing is, according to el Baradei, Iraq does admit it had an official in Africa apparently at the time of this new disputed attempt to purchase who "might have given rise to the allegations" :
FEBRUARY 1999 : (AN IRAQI OFFICIAL WAS IN NIGER AND OTHER AFRICAN COUNTRIES AT THIS TIME, IRAQ WOULD SAY, IN EARLY 2003- AT LEAST ACCORDING TO UN'S EL BARADEI) The head of the U-N nuclear agency ElBaradei [in 2002] said Baghdad suggested the visit by an unidentified Iraqi official to a number of African countries, including Niger, in February 1999, might have given rise to the allegations. " - Source : VOA News Report, VOA Correspondent ALEX BELIDA, 03/07/03, via http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/iraq-030307-2d189eab.htm.
But Chirac is absolutely irrational about his opposition. I thought it strange at the time. They were way too obvious in their opposition to the US...not the usual sneering criticism and refusal to cooperate, but actively trying to get allies who would oppose us.
Remember when Chirac told the Eastern Europeans to shut up, and threatened them with not being able to join the EU? That was not smooth diplomacy, but rather a ham-handed threat.
I still think that there is something really bad yet to be discovered, and the French are in it up to their eyeballs.
They sure are. I thought it odd Chirac went to such an extreme to protect Saddam. He was literally obsessed with protecting him - knowing he was a butcher.
Maybe they were lovers. Heh heh heh.
Oh, wait... they all show up at A.N. S.W.E.R. rallies and gripe about jooos, don't they?
These days named sources aren't doing much better. . .
The consonance of what would otherwise appear to be so many independent groups is both shocking and instructive.
For my part, I see a pattern being woven by what I call "International Socialism", but the exact identity of the power centers driving it remains somewhat unknown to me. I suspect that tools such as the Clintons, Schroeder, Chirac, Annan, McAuliffe and company (aka the 'Rats), former KGB operatives (but I repeat myself), ad nauseum, are beholden to the same masters.
The trick is determining just who exactly those masters are. I very much wish to find out, because once that information becomes public, identifying and severing the other tentacles of their pernicious organization will be much, much easier.
Let's not forget...it was FRANCE who provided the Iraqis with the Nuclear Reactor and all the technology behind it at Osirac...under Jacues Chiraq in the late 70's!
It took Israel to take it out before it became operational.
Now, doesn't it make a whole lot of sense that since France had no problem violating ALL the embargo terms and sold weapons illegally to Hussein, that a FRENCH owned mine in Niger MIGHT be willing to sell the Uranium Yellowcake?
Passes MY smell test big-time!!!!
They're the ones ordering the thought police to carve 666 into everyones forehead.
Now this is really interesting!
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However, Conservatives and REAL Americans have NEVER "over-interpereted" Hans Blix's intelligence...we know the man couldn't find his a$$ with both hands, a map, and Barney Frank's intimate assistance!!!
That could be it. Your theory is more than logical. It could very well be prophetic.
Why else would Chirac go totally insane at the thought of the U.S. going into Iraq.
Nope it is something that would destroy Chirac and his government. It is something beyond the pale.
What if France was aware of 9/11 and did nothing? Or worse, what if they were part of the plot?
Could this be the same "yellow cake" that Saddam was trying to buy from outside sources?
This is a CRUCIAL point! Remember, the IAEA and UN waivered between saying the US "broke UN seals", and that they had never been to that site!!!!!
Then the media dropped the WHOLE issue!
Get the WORD out! This is BIG!!!