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Posted on 07/14/2003 2:24:14 PM PDT by demlosers
Duct tape kept some going. Zip ties did the trick for others. Needed: buckshot rounds.
These were just some of the comments soldiers and Marines had for teams of researchers who fanned out across the battlefields in Iraq to find out which weapons were what the troops needed and which ones weren’t up to snuff.
The war in Iraq tested not just the soldiers and Marines on the ground, but their gear as well. Two after-action reports from a Marine Corps Systems Command Team and an Army Special Operations Battle Lab collected comments recently to rate everything from uniforms to weapons.
Here’s what troops had to say about their weapons:
M-249 Squad Automatic Weapon
Soldiers found this light machine gun to be exactly what they needed. They fielded a version with a short barrel and forward pistol grip that soldiers loved.
“It provided the requisite firepower at the squad level, as intended,” the Army report stated. “The short barrel and forward pistol grip allowed for very effective use of the SAW in urban terrain.”
Soldiers also lauded the soft ammunition pouches as an improvement over the previous hard plastic pouch. Still, they said, there is room for improvement.
They said a better design for stowing the bipod legs is needed when using the pistol grip. Open bipod legs made urban movement difficult, the report said. The soldiers also rated the smaller 100-round pouch better than the 200-round pouch, in which linked ammunition became tangled.
Marines said the SAW they fielded was “worn out and apparently beyond repair,” the report said. “Many Marines are duct taping and zip tying the weapons together.”
Marine reconnaissance units requested a “parasaw” — a shortened version of the M-249 SAW designed for close-quarters combat and used by special operations units. Infantry units wanted a version with a collapsible butt stock.
M-240 machine gun
Marines who gave the first real-world test to the M-240G, the heavier successor to the old M-60 machine gun, weren’t disappointed.
“Marines who did not know what to expect were extremely impressed with effects on target,” the report said.
Soldiers, too, were impressed with their version, the M-240B. “Soldiers have great confidence in this weapon,” the Army report stated. “The vast majority of comments were positive.”
Still, soldiers said, some improvements could be made. Among their suggestions: a lighter tripod, and collapsible bipods like the M-249 SAW.
M-203 grenade launcher
Soldiers thought the M-203 grenade launcher attached to the M-16 was the “weapon of choice for combat.”
They praised the 40 mm grenade’s performance, but said it could have been more effective had troops been given more training with it.
The soldiers found that keeping a round in the chamber, ready to fire, was unsafe; they opted to keep the weapon empty until needed.
When soldiers did need the grenade launcher, they wanted a better round, especially for urban combat. “Some mentioned the need for a buckshot-type round,” the Army’s report said.
Marines, however, asked for something more like what enemy Iraqi forces carried: a rocket-propelled grenade, which had a range beyond what the M-203 could offer. The Marine report stated that the desire stemmed from the rocket-propelled grenades having been the most effective weapon used against them.
Shotguns
Both soldiers and Marines preferred shotguns for breaching doors. The Marine report said many doors in Iraq were heavy steel and reinforced with cross bars, making battering rams ineffective.
“Most agreed that, at a minimum, small units need to have a shotgun to breach the doors,” the Marine report said.
Soldiers felt the breaching shotgun could be shortened, according to the Army report. Some soldiers replaced the stocks with purchased pistol grips, and many said they would have preferred “sawed-off” versions.
Marines, in their report, said the six shotguns issued per battalion were not enough. They wanted one per squad and opted to use slugs over 00 buckshot, which they reported didn’t work well.
Wait a minute! I thought the Supreme Court ruled years ago that there was no practical role for a sawed-off shotgun in military combat use and therefore it didn't fit the militia criteria for 2nd Amendment protection. Perhaps that decision needs to be revisited.
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By Mark Oliva, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Sunday, July 13, 2003
Some of the best gear soldiers and Marines used in Iraq was paid for out of their own pockets.
That’s according to recent after-action reports published by the Army’s Special Operations Battle Lab and a Marine Corps Systems Command Team. Researchers from both services interviewed soldiers and Marines in locations across Iraq to learn what worked well and what needs more work.
Simple things such as uniforms and boots issued by Uncle Sam weren’t up to snuff, the troops reported. Turns out some of the best gear they had, they bought themselves.
Rifle slings
The over-the-shoulder look for rifles wasn’t good enough for U.S. troops. The two-point configuration, in which the sling connects at the butt stock and just forward of the hand guards, didn’t allow for easy access to a weapon when it was needed most.
The three-point sling, howver, connects the rifle to the soldier by connecting to the butt stock, the receiver and close to the sights. The configuration allows the rifle to hang free when not in use and the slings don’t entangle when the weapon is raised to fire.
Some Marine and Army units purchased “three-point” slings with unit funds. In other units, soldiers and Marines often ponied up the money to get their own.
“Soldiers are purchasing their own slings because the issued variant does not provide the flexibility or comfort they require,” the Army report stated. It added that soldiers felt the three-point slings “allowed the weapon to be slung on their back or hung on their chest so they could respond to contact faster.”
The Marine report said Marines requested a three-point sling “be issued with each M-16A2.”
Holsters
Dissatisfaction with the current M-9 9 mm holster was so strong that the Army report said plainly, “The issued 9 mm holster is not used.”
The leather shoulder holsters didn’t hold up well in the sandblasted Iraqi environment. An alternative holster clipped on a load-bearing vest didn’t fare much better.
“If the 9 mm is your personal weapon, you don’t want to have to always wear your LBV in order to have your weapon with you,” the report said.
The alternative most troops preferred came in the form of “drop holsters,” bought with personal funds from commercial outlets. Marines paid up to $65 for holsters that looped to the belt and strapped around the leg from companies such as Special Operations Equipment.
Marines also bought “phone-cord” style lanyards — cords designed to keep the pistol connected to the body.
Global positioning systems
Soldiers and Marines alike preferred commercial global positioning systems to the military’s precision lightweight GPS receiver.
“As widely known, many soldiers purchase their own GPS systems rather than use the PLGR,” the Army report said. The Marine report showed that entire units bought smaller commercial GPS units for their Marines. “The commercial market produced small, lighter and more easily used GPS,” it said.
Uniforms
Soldiers wanted their desert-camouflaged uniforms with pockets on the sleeves, much like the new Marine Corps’ digital Marine Pattern uniform.
“Soldiers realize they will wear the IBA (Interceptor Body Armor) in almost all environments from now on,” the report stated. “The pockets on the front of the DCU are all but useless.”
To solve the pocket problem, many soldiers took matters into their own hands.
“Many soldiers have already had a tailor sew pockets on their sleeves,” the Army report stated.
Soldiers even suggested a similar move for trouser pockets — moving them to the front of the leg — because gas masks block pockets on the thighs.
Boots
Soldiers complained the desert combat boots’ soles were too soft and held in too much moisture. They said the soles were “easily damaged by the terrain.”
Some soldiers had their boots resoled with commercial Vibram, with mixed success. But they also found the boots lacked ventilation, preferring a boot with holes, such as the jungle boot, to allow moisture to escape. Soldiers also said the desert boots were too tight.
“Many soldiers did not use the bottom set of lace holes to reduce pressure on the top of their feet,” the Army report stated.
Although the Marine Corps didn’t field comments about the boots issued to Marines, the Army report noted “the Marine Corps Desert Boot has a very good reputation.”
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=16500
Actually they ruled that no such evidence was presented, and that the lower court was wrong to accept the contention that the second amendment protected keeping and bearing "such an instrument", absent it.
The case (Miller) was sent back to the lower court for "further proceedings", that is a trial where such evicdence could have been introduced, but Miller was dead by then and his co-defendent then plead guilty and got 5 years probation, which he successfully compleated. Thus no "further proceedings" were ever held.
By Mark Oliva, Stars and Stripes|
European edition, Sunday, July 13, 2003
The bulletproof soldier has come of age. That’s just one of the Army and Marine research teams’ findings in the wake of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
The U.S. Army’s Special Operations Battle Lab and a Marine Corps Systems Command Team fanned out across Iraqi battlefields gathering information from soldiers and Marines about the good, bad and ugly of the gear they carried into the fight.
The teams found that bulletproof vests worked and improvements to the new chemical suits were well received, but medical aid bags didn’t cut it in combat. Both the Army and Marine Corps published the findings in unclassified reports.
Interceptor Body Armor
The newest bulletproof — truly bulletproof — vest is heavy and bulky, but Marines and soldiers loved it. Called Interceptor Body Armor, the Outer Tactical Vest can stop a 9 mm bullet. With ceramic insert plates, called Small Arms Protective Insert, the vest was one of the issued items most loved by those in the line of fire.
“SAPI is God’s gift to the Marines Corps,” Capt. David Bardof, 2nd Tank Battalion, told the Marine team. The team reported that in five separate incidents, SAPI plates prevented death or serious injury.
In one instance, when Marine Sgt. Michael Simmons of the 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion was shot, his arm was in front of his vest, according to a Marine Corps news release. The 7.62 mm round passed through his arm and smashed against the SAPI plate, which stopped the bullet cold. Doctors later told Simmons the bullet, had it not been stopped, would have hit his heart and likely killed him.
Army researchers found similar accounts. Soldiers in a tank unit, for instance, made fun of a colleague for wearing the vest in a tank that itself was heavily armored. The soldier recalled that he was firing at an enemy machine gun when something slammed into his chest, knocking him backward. He called out that he’d been hit, but no wound could be found.
“After the fight they found the entry hole … significant damage to the edge of the SAPI plate and a 7.62 round embedded in the protective liner,” the Army report stated.
That’s when the teasing stopped.
Soldiers and Marines both liked the vest so much that they scrambled to trade in old flak vests for new ones, often complaining when they weren’t issued the new one.
One Marine combat engineer battalion, for instance, was skipped when SAPI plates first were distributed; eventually, they received some — but too few — before crossing into Iraq.
“Leadership was faced with hard questions from their Marines (e.g., literally, questions such as ‘Why is (his) life more important than mine?’)” the report stated.
Some soldiers issued Spall vests — designed to stop secondary fragmentation — modified their vest or fitted SAPI plates inside them, the Army report stated.
Complaints about the outer tactical vests and SAPI plates centered on maneuverability. Helmets and vests interfered with each other, making it difficult to keep heads up in prone firing positions.
Marines also said a lighter version that was slightly wider in the front would be better.
Kevlar helmets
The bulletproof Kevlar helmet — officially, the Personnel Armor System Ground Troop Helmet — also was credited with saving lives. The Marine team got resoundingly positive feedback.
“During urban fighting in Iraq, a Marine corporal was struck in the front of his helmet by a 7.62 x 39 mm round,” the Marine report said. “The Kevlar PASGT Helmet absorbed the impact of the round with no injury to the Marine.”
Chemical suits
Soldiers praised the latest version of the chemical protective suit, called Joint Service Lightweight Integrated Suit.
“Unbelievable,” one brigade commander commented in the Army report. Although he dislikes wearing the protective gear, he said, “This one is OK.”
The Army report said soldiers felt the new suit was a “vast improvement over its predecessor.”
Complaints about the old suits were that most were woodland green, not desert tan, and that they weren’t flame retardant, forcing crewmen to wear NOMEX flame-resistant suits as well. Suspenders were faulted for being of poor quality and making field defecation difficult.
First aid
Navy corpsmen fielded a new item in their medical kits called QuikClot by Z-Medica, but they found that the chemical powder designed to stanch bleeding was ineffective, specifically on arterial bleeding, according to the Marine report.
A team of corpsmen tried using the powder on an Iraqi civilian shot near the brachial artery. The powder dried and flaked off. Direct pressure proved more effective. Another Iraqi shot in the back was given QuikClot, but pressure from the bleeding sprayed the chemical everywhere.
“QuikClot was everywhere but [on] the wound,” a surgeon noted.
The powder also proved ineffective in helping a Marine with a gunshot wound to the femoral artery. The chemical was pushed from the wound and a tourniquet applied, but the Marine still died.
Tourniquets provided to corpsmen in their kits also were rated useless, according to the report. Corpsmen resorted to using a stick with the green slings in the kit around pressure points.
Navy corpsmen also rated their medical Modular Lightweight Load-Carrying Equipment pack poorly. The packs allow for medics to “wear,” rather than carry, medical supplies for improved mission efficiency without compromising mobility or readiness. Some wanted the old “Unit 1” bags; others wanted a load-bearing vest with multiple pockets. Still others wanted something similar to the Army medics’ Black Hawk bag. That bag is similiar to a civilian emergency medical technician’s medical bag.
Army medics were dissatisfied with the way their bags mounted to packs, according to the Army report. In fact, the bag isn’t designed to be attached to the packs. Soldiers asked for a larger bag that is designed to attach to packs.
Something like this from Mossberg
This is a 14 inch AOW breaching shotgun from mossberg...
Or a Benelli M1 entry
How about those who DID know what to expect?
How impressed were they with the replacement for the M60?
Duh! Wouldnt want an unsafe weapon in a combat situation now would we!
"I dinna know how much longer she'll hold together, Captain!"
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