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The Republican spending orgy
Boston Globe ^ | 7/20/2003 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 07/20/2003 5:29:31 AM PDT by RJCogburn

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:10:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

AT THEIR national convention three years ago, Republicans pointed with pride to the GOP's record of fiscal rectitude.

''In the four decades from 1954 to 1994,'' the Republican platform declared, ''government spending increased at an average annual rate of 7.9 percent, and the public's debt increased from $224 billion to $3.4 trillion.'' Those were the profligate years, when Democrats usually controlled both houses of Congress.


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To: ModernDayCato
You came up with 4 demos with good ACU ratings, and ignored the other 200 demos in the House with bad ones.

Just to revise my remarks, you also couldn't find a demo Senate member with a good ACU rating.

161 posted on 07/20/2003 10:22:00 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Consort
Neither tax increases, nor tax decreases, are meaningful when the Administration continues the MFN trading status of Red China,

thus depriving American labor of manufacturing jobs.
162 posted on 07/20/2003 10:25:52 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: HostileTerritory
I guess if you're a subsidized farmer

And somewhere out there on the Net is the real dope on exactly WHO are the "subsidized farmers."

Bet old Archer-Daniels-Midland is in the Top Five...

Now THERE'S a sympathetic figure!

163 posted on 07/20/2003 10:32:27 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: ninenot
And somewhere out there on the Net is the real dope on exactly WHO are the "subsidized farmers."

Bet old Archer-Daniels-Midland is in the Top Five...

Now THERE'S a sympathetic figure!

Sheesh, you are on a real tear in your mind aren't you.

Oh well carry on with your paleo-con(Buchanan worshipping) rant.

164 posted on 07/20/2003 10:37:07 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
I don't know what you're talking about...but then again I think you've proven that you aren't all that articulate. So, let's review. Here are your arguments, for those who tuned in a little late:

1. I said that you and others of your ilk are appeasers, because we are actually fighting a culture war, which as John Fonte so eloquently pointed out, is Gramsci vs. Tocqueville in America. By allowing Bush to stray from our side (which is a REAL stretch, since I think he's actually part of the other side, truth be told) without consequence (in fact, with your active support), you are an enemy appeaser. Plain and simple. Your response? No, you are.

2. You then said that Bush is 100 times better than any Democrat. I pointed out that there were many Democrats with better ACU scores than a lot of Republicans (including my RINO Congresscritter and John McCain), so Bush wasn't 100 times better than ANY DEMOCRAT. You told me I was parsing, and your real argument came to the surface, which is At least Bush is a Republican, not a Democrat.

Every time I have tried to engage in a debate, you start pontificating and accusing me of throwing a tantrum.

The truth is not a tantrum, my friend.

165 posted on 07/20/2003 10:37:46 AM PDT by ModernDayCato
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To: Owen
And this is a surprise to you? The Democrats are going to try to split the conservative vote? They don't have to. As is evident on this forum, the conservative vote has already split.
166 posted on 07/20/2003 10:38:32 AM PDT by ModernDayCato
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To: dasein64
"right-thinking Supreme [appointments]

DOn't count on it. Dick Viguerie, who was 100% correct about Reagan's disastrous nomination of "Sodomy Sadie" O'Connor, has also predicted that Bush's first Supreme nomination will be just as bad.

Please see the NewsMax site of last Thursday or Friday...

167 posted on 07/20/2003 10:40:37 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: Dane
you also couldn't find a demo Senate member with a good ACU rating.

Actually, I didn't look. And I wasn't only looking for a 'good' rating...I was looking for a 70 plus rating, which ACU considers a 'real' conservative. McStain didn't make it this year, and all the RINOs in my state NEVER make it.

168 posted on 07/20/2003 10:43:03 AM PDT by ModernDayCato
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To: Dane
Hey, cluck...

Telling the truth ought not be a problem for you, and Bush is simply spending money like it's water (assisted by the Congress.)

If you have a problem with the truth, you REALLY have a problem with conservatism.
169 posted on 07/20/2003 10:43:36 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: ModernDayCato
I don't know what you're talking about...but then again I think you've proven that you aren't all that articulate.

I will let "lurkers", and not e-mailed supporters of your point of view, on FR determine that.

That's all I am going to say. Post away and hang yourself publicly. Knock yourself out with your DNC fueled Bush bashing.

170 posted on 07/20/2003 10:43:55 AM PDT by Dane
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To: dfrussell
President Clinton wasn't too bad... not that you'd trust him with your dog or daughter.

Did the dog's coat need cleaning, too???

171 posted on 07/20/2003 10:45:34 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: Dane
I will let "lurkers", and not e-mailed supporters of your point of view, on FR determine that.

Now you're getting incoherent. What does THAT mean?

Still waiting for some refutation of the FACTS, rather than ramblings and references to my being a member of the DNC, which is absolutely ludicrous. In fact, when Dick Cheney visited my state during the campaign I was seated on the dias behind Mrs. Cheney (who is actually smaller in person, as is Mr. Cheney). I have been invited to many fundraisers (will no longer attend), and have been a member of the Republican party since I was the youngest member of my Town Committee in history when I was 17 (they made a special exception to the rules for my election).

I'm the kind of conservative the party is losing, and you're the kind of conservative they're picking up. What does that say for the party?

172 posted on 07/20/2003 10:48:28 AM PDT by ModernDayCato
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To: Dane
I just read your last post again, and this is what it reminds me of:


173 posted on 07/20/2003 10:50:40 AM PDT by ModernDayCato
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To: Dane
Actually, you are the ranter--although your posts seem oh, so rational...

If the Objective is to preserve the American Farmer--then the American Farmer now looks like Archer Daniels, right?

Of course, YOUR idea is to subsidize corn fuel so that a gallon of gasoline will have been produced at the cost of TWO gallons of gasoline, plus the profits "earned" by ADM for being in the middle, as stipulated by their own, personal "ag relief" bill.

Get serious. You're going to defend those crooks?
174 posted on 07/20/2003 10:51:31 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: ninenot
Hey, cluck...

Telling the truth ought not be a problem for you, and Bush is simply spending money like it's water (assisted by the Congress.)

If you have a problem with the truth, you REALLY have a problem with conservatism

No problem with the truth.

Just a question about your "truth".

Who would rather have as President, Bush or one of the nine demos.

And no going off on a tangent from reality saying a third party candidate, because a third party candidate hasn't won in more than a century.

I know you hate the reality, but it is reality and I am in no way sorry for dragging your screaming and kicking being into modern American political reality.

175 posted on 07/20/2003 10:52:22 AM PDT by Dane
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To: ModernDayCato
And you are doing a good job of it, too. At least for now. But you'll lose.
176 posted on 07/20/2003 10:52:41 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: ninenot
[To Dane]: Actually, you are the ranter--although your posts seem oh, so rational...

Are you sure you've read all of his posts?

177 posted on 07/20/2003 10:52:46 AM PDT by ModernDayCato
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Did you mis-address your reply? If not, what do you mean?
178 posted on 07/20/2003 10:53:46 AM PDT by ModernDayCato
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To: Sir_Humphrey
Besides if you want to something constuctive and try to help the country, work for real conservatives at the local level and especially in the primary process. Don't walk away like some pissed off brat who didn't get everything he wanted because GWB does fit your defination of a "real" conservative.

I agree. But it looks like the 'real Conservatives' are being rolled on the domestic and spending issues.

Congress and the administration have been lately willing to go along with vast increases in Federal spending: A farm bill here, more Federal education spending, a prescription drug benefit there and a whole new department for homeland security. Spending is increasing faster now than under Clinton and the Republican Congress of the mid-1990s.

If you were in a cave for 3 years since nov 7, 2000, didn't know who won the last 2 elections, and were told these facts you would have to come ot the conclusion that the LIBERALS WON the 2000 and 2002 elections - BECAUSE THEIR POLICIES ARE BEING ENACTED.

That's JMHO. We have a GOP Congress and the Presidency ... what the h*ll is the need for enacting Liberal policies and Liberal spending priorities ?!???!

179 posted on 07/20/2003 10:54:26 AM PDT by WOSG (We liberated Iraq. Now Let's Free Cuba, North Korea, Iran, China, Tibet, Syria, ...)
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To: Dane
The modern-day political reality, my child, is that GWB deserves a good kick in the ass for his profligate vote-buying.

And he's getting it.

Kitchen's a bit warm for you??

BTW--are you or are you not going to continue your defense of ADM's money-grab??

Hell, they've only been (personally and corporately) indicted a few times--they're certainly not BIG-time crooks...
180 posted on 07/20/2003 10:56:20 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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