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Islam's future
NY Post ^ | July 24, 2003 | AMIR TAHERI

Posted on 07/24/2003 12:56:42 PM PDT by sbw123

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:15:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

July 24, 2003 -- LAST week more than 900 or so Muslim scholars and theologians gathered in Kuala Lumpur, the Malaysian capital, to ask a simple question: What is the role of Islam in the era of globalization? This was a star-studded occasion with many prominent religious and political figures from more than 70 Muslim countries across the globe. The participants heard 22 learned papers and sat through some 36 hours of debate spread over three days.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: amirtaheri; islam
Looks like Islamic leaders are adapting to Western thought faster than we thought - they're adopting the nhilistic "it's not my fault" attitude.
1 posted on 07/24/2003 12:56:42 PM PDT by sbw123
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To: sbw123
What makes anyone think Islam has a future?
2 posted on 07/24/2003 1:01:32 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: sbw123
Yes. Send their leaders to the University of Paris, Oxford, or Berkeley to bring them into the 21st century. NOT.
3 posted on 07/24/2003 1:01:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sbw123
ping
4 posted on 07/24/2003 1:06:44 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: sbw123
Islam is NOT a religion
– it is a CULT OF HATE

ACTION PLAN:

1) Assemble fleet of troop transport vessels in port cities; 2) move, via bus and/or train all US dwelling Muslims (immigrant or American Born Muslims ABM) to said ports; 3) Load all muslims onto ships, send forthwith to any middle east muslim country; 4) Bulldoze all mosques and islamic schools in US;
5) Concurrently, close borders with military; 6) Pop any American brewed beer, gloat over job well accomplished and relax.

5 posted on 07/24/2003 1:08:05 PM PDT by Imagine
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To: sbw123
Islam's future?


6 posted on 07/24/2003 1:13:34 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Imagine
Islam is NOT a religion
– it is a CULT OF HATE

ACTION PLAN:

1) Assemble fleet of troop transport vessels in port cities; 2) move, via bus and/or train all US dwelling Muslims (immigrant or American Born Muslims ABM) to said ports; 3) Load all muslims onto ships, send forthwith to any middle east muslim country; 4) Bulldoze all mosques and islamic schools in US;
5) Concurrently, close borders with military; 6) Pop any American brewed beer, gloat over job well accomplished and relax.


We The People can make this happen (or something similar) IF
we quit paying nice, nice when we really dont like someone. Quit being PC, quit trying to be "above the fray" when others are not.

Let the general population make it as uncomfortable (within the law) for Islamists as we can. I mean, we boycotted France without the help of our government and they're screaming with the loss of money.

7 posted on 07/24/2003 1:15:07 PM PDT by Roughneck (Starve the Beast!)
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To: sbw123
INTSUM
8 posted on 07/24/2003 1:16:58 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: ClearCase_guy
What makes anyone think Islam has a future?

Hate to have to be a pessimist, but...

I'm not being defeatist at all, but holding them off until they reform is a very long term project. There really are too many of them to nuke them all without unacceptable ill effects. And I don't primarily mean political ill effects.

Stay the course, as we said about Reagan and Communism, but this will be a harder nut to crack. Communist ideology started with Marx or Gramsci in the 19th century. Islam started over a millenium before the USA.

I think we can do it, but will we?

9 posted on 07/24/2003 1:17:44 PM PDT by Salman
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To: sbw123
Islam's Future =
Passenger Pigeon

EXTINCTION
10 posted on 07/24/2003 1:20:24 PM PDT by Spruce
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To: sbw123
Once we have set aside the theopolitical discourse we could acknowledge the distinction between Islam as a faith and Islam as an existential reality.

The author is looking so hard for the swamp that he can't see he's standing in it.

Islam has no "existential reality." It is a religion and a faith, period.

The very fact that there is a "Muslim nations" conference suggests that Muslims cannot distinguish politics from religion from "existential reality," which is precisely the problem with Islam.

I think the last "Christian nations" conference was held in about 1450 AD.

11 posted on 07/24/2003 1:22:40 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
There is no moral equivilancy of Islam and Christianity. imo
not that you infered one....
13 posted on 07/24/2003 1:28:21 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: whomever
Once we have set aside the blame game we should acknowledge the existence of politics, economics and ethics as domains distinct from that of theology. What this means is that political, economic and ethical issues cannot be defined, analysed, understood and answered in purely theological terms.

The "theology" that produced a peaceful, self-governing, locally-controlled, prosperous society in America, also produced political Federalism. The simple fact is that Islam will never produce democracy, because it is a false religion...

14 posted on 07/24/2003 1:31:00 PM PDT by Galatians513
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To: sbw123
The tragic irony is that classical Islam did recognize the existence of domains distinct from theology.

That "classical" Islam was largely a blip in history - its fundamentalist interpretations are that of the Qur'an, which are that there IS NO law other than that recited by Mohammed and interpreted by the mullahs, who are known as "doctors of Islam." That presented a real problem for the Ottomans when technology gave rise to objects and usages clearly not covered by anything in that scripture. It was then that "classical" Islam began to bend the rules a bit. The fundamentalists now in charge of the Islamist factions will have none of that.

If Islam is to survive the moderate, "classical" Muslims must wrest control of that religion's own internal power structure from the violent and militant who now lead it into terrorism and murder in the name of a religion that nominally rejects such things.

15 posted on 07/24/2003 1:31:29 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: sbw123
Islam can be a breed of fish with us all swimming up river looking for the light of life.
16 posted on 07/24/2003 1:45:41 PM PDT by hadaclueonce ("had a clue onece, and that is one more time than most")
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To: Roughneck
"Let the general population make it as uncomfortable (within the law) for Islamists as we can. I mean, we boycotted France without the help of our government and they're screaming with the loss of money. "


Suggestions? Boycott all "7-11"s? Because it's tough to tell the difference between the harmless Hindu and the damn Muslim sometimes. I agree with all your post, though. I just don't want to discriminate against the wrong folks, ya know?
17 posted on 07/24/2003 1:53:33 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: Imagine
AMENDED ACTION PLAN:
Accomplish steps 1) and 2); 3) Load all muslims onto ships, send forthwith to a spot approximately equidistant any coastline; 4) Torpedo all ships with extreme prejudice. 5) Resume original plan.
18 posted on 07/24/2003 2:09:53 PM PDT by beelzepug (incessantly yapping for change)
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To: joesnuffy
There is no moral equivilancy of Islam and Christianity. imo... not that you infered one....

No, I did not imply an equivalency. Not by a long shot.

Islam = Satanism.

However we can and do tolerate Satanism in the US so long as it doesn't break the law.

Just as we can tolerate the Cult Of The Moon God so long as it does not conspire to, plan to, or in fact break the law, which is superior to religion under the U.S. Constitution.

19 posted on 07/24/2003 2:16:50 PM PDT by angkor
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To: Blzbba
H_ll, I already Boycott all things Arab, Muslim and French....and anything remotely connected like the Libs and the D-craps!
20 posted on 07/24/2003 2:23:19 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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To: beelzepug
modifications permitted depending on circumstances (and how many torpedoes one has.)
21 posted on 07/24/2003 3:47:05 PM PDT by Imagine
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To: sbw123
Islam can look forward to a glowing future.


22 posted on 07/24/2003 4:22:17 PM PDT by Bars4Bill
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To: Roughneck
I like the blonde lady's recommendation:
23 posted on 07/24/2003 4:22:31 PM PDT by TomSmedley ((technical writer looking for work!))
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To: TomSmedley
Why not convert the leaders too.
24 posted on 07/24/2003 6:09:56 PM PDT by Gal.5:1 ("today is the day of salvation")
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To: Blzbba
Suggestions? Boycott all "7-11"s? Because it's tough to tell the difference between the harmless Hindu and the damn Muslim sometimes. I agree with all your post, though. I just don't want to discriminate against the wrong folks, ya know?


With a little effort, one can tell the difference. Or perhaps, one could ask? muslims are happy to tell folks about being muslim and the great allah.

Besides, I'm not talking about boycotting 7-eleven just because a foreigner might be working in one! I'm more or less talking about being a little more stoic around muslimes, not so willing to accept their blather . . . not so willing to accept them as friends.
25 posted on 07/25/2003 7:28:52 AM PDT by Roughneck (Starve the Beast!)
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To: Roughneck
"Besides, I'm not talking about boycotting 7-eleven just because a foreigner might be working in one! I'm more or less talking about being a little more stoic around muslimes, not so willing to accept their blather . . . not so willing to accept them as friends. "


That's true, re:7-11 boycotts, as they may be owned by non-Muslim Americans. Still, is there any 'tangible' nonviolent opposition that could be done? Honestly, like homos, I don't really have any Muslim friends or people in my life who are Islamic so aren't able to verbally spar with them as you suggest.

I do have two Indian co-workers how I can assure you hate Muslims as much as any patriotic American. The Muslims have a long history of brutality in some Indian provences.
26 posted on 07/25/2003 7:48:32 AM PDT by Blzbba
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To: Blzbba
I do have two Indian co-workers how I can assure you hate Muslims as much as any patriotic American. The Muslims have a long history of brutality in some Indian provences.


Yeah, I know what you're saying. Right after 9/11, a local restaurant owner who happened to be Indian, not muslim, had some real low-lifes come in and stare him down, make big messes, etc. I thought there was no excuse for that!

If you have east Indian friends, you can probably tell they have a much, well, "softer" appearance than muslimes/arabs, they are open and friendly, without the disdainful look that muslimes have...I dont know, it is easy for me to tell the differance, I sure would not act ugly to anyone I was not sure was muslime.

If you dont come in contact with muslime, there is nothing you can do, but if you do, and they say hello why say it back? Why open the door for their women? I mean, I will not show even the commenest courtesy to muslime.

Muslimes are not our friends - even if they claim to be. I had an opportunity not long ago, but before 9/11, to meet a muslime that was married to a friend. Met the whole family in fact. Geez! what a bunch of awholes. Be too long to tell you all by observations, conversations, but, well, they pretty well prooved they have no use for Americans.
27 posted on 07/25/2003 9:27:52 AM PDT by Roughneck (Starve the Beast!)
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To: TomSmedley
"I like the blonde lady's recommendation"

Me too!

I'd not be as nice as GWB though, I'd OCCUPY and run the government the way it SHOULD be done. The congress could be made up of all the different tribes (ie representatives) so they could put their opinion in, but the country should be run by folks who know what they are doing: U. S. AMERICANS! uh, this does exclude democrats by the way - they've never known what to do . . .
28 posted on 07/25/2003 11:05:18 AM PDT by Roughneck (Starve the Beast!)
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