CA: Why Davis is really in trouble

SFGate.com ^ | 7/25/03 | Jill Stewart

[section9]

She won't be jumping the Administration to run in this recall election. The "Condi is resigning" story is being peddled by Hillary's people to damage Rice, more than likely. However, even in the absence of that, I can't see her getting into this race.

Agree with you about Jeb, btw. I live here in FL. He's a good governor, but Americans in 2008 will want a change from the Bush family.

As to the recall itself? I hope that Davis can be upended, but there are enough stupid Californians upset about the "cost" of the recall to give Davis a pass.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[LS]

Quite the contrary. I stay in AZ for a few weeks every summer, and my mother still lives there. We also go to Vegas every year. When the Hispanic newspapers catch up to the German papers in 1913, then it's a trend.

[LS]

See, you can prove anything anecdotally. I grew up with Hispanics in Arizona and they all spoke English, but my did spoke Spanish as a means of better communicating with the parents. But the statistics don't lie on German/Polish/Lithuanian (etc.) immigrant assimilation, which was slower.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

We have sections of Orange county where you can't read the signs either.

But they are in the various oriental languages!

And not far from those you can find arabic placards!

[FITZ]

When the Hispanic newspapers catch up to the German papers in 1913, then it's a trend.

How about Mexican radio and television? One thing too that you have to remember is that there was a large ocean between the Germans and their homeland but there is nothing between the Mexicans and theirs. Plus the Mexicans coming over believe half the USA really belongs to them and you'll see how many of them are restoring their Mexican citizinship now that they can be dual citizens. They can vote in both countries' elections now and they can be faithful to their own politicians. Most Germans weren't indigent and illiterate but came with needed job skills and the ability to learn a language, most Mexicans have at best a 3rd grade inferior education from Mexico ---can't read and write their own language much less ours. Comparing Germans with Mexicans is like comparing apples with oranges ---too many differences.

[FITZ]

Also read post 59 ----from a local paper today in fact ---even some hispanics are complaining about the trend to no English being spoken. It's a fact.

[LS]

I don't agree that comparing the two are too different, but I will give you that the Germans were not illiterate. The Poles, Czechs, and Irish, however, were.

Look, the best thing we can do is end "bilingualism," and of course stop illegal immigration. Do I really have to say that? But the notion that Mexicans are somehow "different" is offensive.

[usadave]

Maybe, but I do think this is a continuing disconnect. You can trash the concept all you want, but it's stupid politics. In the 1800s, the big political machines always had Polish and German speakers for those communities that did not speak English---and history shows that Germans and Poles retained their native tongue far longer than most Hispanic immigrants. So the recall people would be smart to get on this.

So this is how things were done a couple of centuries ago? Irrelevant, but interesting nonetheless.

[FITZ]

They are different in that they are going to be dual citizens able to vote in elections of two neighboring countries. They have no need to sever loyalties to their home country and so no inclination to do so. If dual citizenship, welfare handouts, and "bilingualism" (which doesn't mean two language, it means keeping Spanish) weren't part of the deal, then I'd agree they would be more like other immigrant groups. Except never before have we seen a government which was such an avid participant in getting as many of it's citizens as it possibly could to move to this country and believed it had so much say in things ---like what laws can be applied to their citizens here etc. Like Fox said ----he expects to have the whole enchilada. That wasn't exactly vague ---and he means to get it by massive immigration.

[FITZ]

Germany, Poland, Ireland and none of the rest had anything like the Mexican government has as far as plans for how they intended to use their immigrants.

The Whole Enchilada:

What is it that is included in Castaneda's list of demands? Basically, he wants a complete surrender of U.S. sovereignty over immigration policy.

America must legalize all Mexican illegal aliens, loosen its already lax border enforcement, establish a guest worker program in the midst of an economic downturn, and exempt Mexican immigrants from U.S. visa quotas.

Not only that, but also the demand that Mexicans living in the U.S. receive health care provided by the American taxpayer and in-state college tuition.

Speaking in Tijuana, Castaneda became even more bold; he aptly described such demands with this statement: "We must obtain the greatest number of rights for the greatest number of Mexicans in the shortest time possible."

Mind you, Castaneda is referring to rights for Mexicans in the U.S. – NOT in Mexico!

Perhaps we'd understand Castaneda better when we reflect upon some of his statements when he was identified as a Marxist. He wrote in his book "The Economics of Dependency," "Democracy is in absolute contradiction with capitalism."

Castaneda is quoted as saying, "Vicente Fox is exactly where he wants to be on open borders, setting the agenda in Washington and Canada."

And he added, "These are not negotiating proposals; these are big ideas – a vision – some will fly, some will not. I learned from him that he will bring a new emphasis to overseeing Mexico's 50 consulates in the U.S. and will try to insure better treatment of Mexicans living in the U.S." – the same Mexicans who send billions of dollars home every year.

"Castaneda's attitude and writings have been fairly anti-U.S.," says Roger Noriega, senior staffer on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. "Inasmuch [as] Mexico's relations [with] the U.S. [are] so important, we are hoping for someone in the Foreign Ministry who can play a constructive role in that relationship."

[LS]

Whoever Castenada is, he is irrelevant to OUR policy. I'm not concerned about him, any more than I would have been concerned about Samuel Gompers trying to stop European immigration. But enough of this discussion. It's going nowhere.