When Castro Became A Communist

I know that. But you have some excess baggage which probably colours your arguments a little.

Hopefully, Castro will die soon and Cuba can become the great nation it has always showed the potential to have.

There is also a story that Castro tried to commit suicide just before Batista capitulated. The doctor who treated him wrote about it.

That " baggage " is historical fact. Just because Luis is of Cuban extraction, doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about AND , if you ever managed to actually look at the beginning of the thread, you would see that Luis didn't write/post a vanity;he posted a document.

"I know that. But you have some excess baggage which probably colours your arguments a little."

What argument jj?

This is a paper on Castro submitted to the Feds.

Are you gong to address the post or continue to attack the person who posted it?

Very interesting.Thanks for the post.

Save to read later.

Did you read it?

INTSUM

It's obvious that no one becomes a dedicated Marxist-Leninist-Soviet-supported Communist overnight. Of course Castro was a Communist long before he took over. What else?

I don't fault Eisenhower for not intervening in Eastern Europe. That would have meant a direct confrontation with the Soviet Union, a very iffy thing to do. We NEVER ventured to get on the battlefield with Russia at any time--not in Korea, not in Vietnam, not in Afghanistan--but always through proxies. The very first time any American leader tried to confront the Russians directly was when that idiot Wesley Clark twice attempted it.

But Cuba was in our back yard. If we had supported Battista, the Soviets would have backed down for sure.

Bookmarked.

Thanks for the information!

There is also a whole lot to blame to lay on Cuba's aristocracy, and their disdain for "El Negro" Batista, and his ex-maid First Lady; they supported Castro's revolution. Another thing that people do not seem to know is the fact that there were several groups fighting against Batista at the time, and that Castro literally stole his victory from another insurgent group.

Castro, however, did keep his cards very close to his chest.

My father figured him out from the start. My mother thought he was the greatest thing since Clark Gable......until he threw my maternal grandfather into the Cuban Gulag as a political prisoner.

In 1959, my uncle was fighting with Castro against the two-bit thug Batista as Castro had promised to restore the Constitution of 1940.

On April 17, 1961, after Castro had showed his true colors, that same uncle has hitting the beach at Playa Giron with Brigada 2506 to fight against Castro.

Cuba's trust in Castro may have been naive but Cuba's disdain for Fulgencio Batista, who betrayed the Cuban Constitution of 1940, was fully justified.

Bump for later!

Batista was a thug if I recall.The NYT was praising Castro.We had no idea that a base for communist revolutionaries in SA and elsewhere would be established and sustained for over 40years.Chavez and Castro are great buddies.

It's obvious now, most things are obvious one they've happened.

It wasnt obvious then, and the people who actually knew were not paid attention to.

There is always the possibility of a whole lot of opportunism when countries go through the kind of upheaval Cuban went through.

Here's a chronology of events in Cuba.

Chronology of Cuban Affairs, 1958-1998

Released by the Bureau of Inter-American Affairs, January 12, 1998

Mar 14, 1958	The U.S. government suspends arms shipments to the Batista government.

Jan 1, 1959	Revolutionary forces seize control of Havana.

Jan 7, 1959	The United States recognizes the new Cuban government.

Jan 1959	Trials and executions of former Batista regime officials begin.

May 17, 1959	Agrarian Reform Law expropriates farmlands over 1000 acres and forbids foreign land ownership.

May 8, 1960	Diplomatic relations between Cuba and the Soviet Union resume.

Jun 28, 1960	Castro confiscates American-owned oil refineries without compensation.

Aug 6, 1960	Nationalization of U.S. and foreign-owned property in Cuba begins.

Aug 7, 1960	The Cuban Catholic Church condemns rise of communism in Cuba. Castro bans religious TV and radio broadcasts.

Oct 19, 1960	U.S. imposes economic embargo on Cuba, except food and medicine.

Oct 24, 1960	Remaining American-owned property in Cuba nationalized.

Jan 3, 1961	President Eisenhower breaks diplomatic relations with Cuba.

Apr 17, 1961	U.S.-supported Cuban exiles invade Cuba at the Bay of Pigs.

Dec 2, 1961	Castro declares, "I am a Marxist-Leninist, and will be one until the last day of my life."

Jan 22, 1962	Cuban membership in the Organization of American States (OAS) is suspended.

Feb 7, 1962	The U.S. government bans all Cuban imports and re-export of U.S. products to Cuba from other countries. The U.S. will also cut off aid to countries that furnish assistance to Cuba.

Oct 2, 1962	U.S. ports are closed to nations allowing their ships to carry arms to Cuba, ships that have docked in a socialist country are prohibited from docking in the United States during that voyage, and the transport of U.S. goods is banned on ships owned by companies that trade with Cuba.

Oct 14, 1962	The Cuban Missile Crisis begins when U.S. reconnaissance aircraft photograph Soviet construction of intermediate-range missile sites in Cuba.

Oct 26, 1962	In a secret communication, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev agrees not to break the U.S. blockade and offers to withdraw Soviet missiles from Cuba if the United States pledges not to invade Cuba and if President Kennedy would order Jupiter missiles removed from Turkey.

Oct 27, 1962	Cuba downs a U-2 plane. In a letter to Khrushchev, President Kennedy proposes immediate Soviet withdrawal of the missiles in exchange for an end to the blockade. Privately, the USG informs the Soviet Union it will withdraw U.S. missiles from Turkey once the crisis ends.

Oct 28, 1962	Radio Moscow announces that the Soviet Union has accepted the proposed solution.

Nov 21, 1962	President Kennedy terminates the quarantine measures against Cuba.

Feb 8, 1963	The Kennedy administration prohibits travel to Cuba and makes financial and commercial transactions with Cuba illegal for U.S. citizens.

Jul 8, 1963	All Cuban-owned assets in the United States are frozen.

Jul 1964	Members of the OAS vote to enact economic sanctions and to break diplomatic links with Cuba.

Oct 1965	Over 3000 Cubans leave in a boatlift from Camarioca to the United States.

Nov 6, 1965	Beginning of the Freedom Flights program, which allows 250,000 Cubans to come to the United States by 1971.

1966	Father Miguel Laredo is tried for allegedly assisting in the attempted escape of a Cubana Airlines engineer. In addition, priests and other clergymen are required to enter into military service.

Nov 2, 1966	The Cuban Adjustment Act allows 123,000 Cubans to apply for permanent residence in the U.S.

Jan 2, 1968	Castro announces petroleum rationing.

Mar 13, 1968	The Great Revolutionary Offensive is launched, culminating in the nationalization of the remaining private sector and mobilization of manpower for agricultural production.

Jan 2, 1969	Castro announces sugar rationing.

Jul 1972	Cuba joins the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, the communist bloc trade association.

Oct 1973	Cuba sends 500 tank drivers to aid Syria during the Yom Kippur War.

Nov 1974	Assistant Secretary of State William Rogers and Assistant to the Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger conduct secret normalization talks with Cuban officials in Washington and New York. The talks end over Cuban involvement in Angola.

Jul 29, 1975	OAS members vote to lift collective sanctions against Cuba. The U.S. government welcomes the action and announces its intention to open serious discussions with Cuba on normalization.

Oct 1975	Cuba begins deployment of 35,000 combat troops to support the Marxist regime in Angola.

Dec 20, 1975	President Ford declares that Cuban involvement in Angola and support of the Puerto Rican independence movement ends efforts to improve relations.

Dec 22, 1975	Castro declares continued support for revolutionary movements in Angola and Puerto Rico.

Feb 24, 1976	Under a new constitution, Castro becomes head of the government as of President of the Council of Ministers, commander of the armed forces, and First Secretary of the communist party. The PCC is institutionalized within the formal governmental structure. Article 54 prohibits the practice of faith or the establishment of religious organizations in opposition to revolutionary principles.

Mar 18, 1977	U.S. government lifts prohibition on travel to Cuba and allows U.S. citizens to spend $100 on Cuban goods during their visits.

Apr 1977	200 Cuban trainers arrive in Ethiopia. Cuba supports the Katangan rebellion, causing the government of Zaire to break-off diplomatic relations. Cuba maintains troops in the Congo, Mozambique, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, and Equatorial Guinea.

Apr 27, 1977	The United States and Cuba sign agreements on fishing rights and maritime boundaries.

Sep 1977	The United States and Cuba open interests sections in each others capitals.

Jan 1978	Cuba begins deployment of 20,000 troops to Ethiopia.

Jul 31, 1978	Castro calls for the removal of U.S. bases from Guantanamo Bay. Bombings of the Cuban United Nations Mission, the Cuban Interests Section, and the Soviet Mission by anti-Castro exile groups follow throughout the fall. In December, the U.S. government announces that the full force of the law will be used against those responsible for these terrorist actions.

Jul 1979	Cuban-supported Sandinistas overthrow the government of Anastasio Somoza in Nicaragua.

Aug 30, 1979	Senator Frank Church, the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, announces discovery of a Soviet combat brigade of 3000 troops in Cuba.

Oct 1, 1979	President Carter reaffirms that troops from Cuba would not be permitted to move against neighboring countries and establishes a Caribbean Joint Task Force Headquarters in Florida.

Apr 1980	10,000 Cubans storm the Peruvian embassy in Havana seeking political asylum. After the easing of immigration restrictions, a flotilla of refugees (eventually 125,000) begins an exodus from the port of Mariel in Cuba for the United States.

May 14, 1980	President Carter demands that the Cuban government impose an orderly departure and orders a blockade to prevent private boats from traveling to Cuba to pick up refugees. The Cuban government closes Mariel harbor in September.

Sep 11, 1980	An attache of the Cuban Mission to the United Nations is assassinated by anti-Castro terrorists. Secretary of State Muskie issues a statement terming the murder "reprehensible."

Dec 22, 1980	The first of several meetings between U.S. and Cuban officials to discuss the repatriation of the Marielitos occurs.

Sep 23, 1981	The U.S. government announces plans to establish Radio Marti to broadcast to Cuba.

Mar 1982	U.S. envoy Vernon Walters meets with Castro in Havana to discuss outstanding issues.

Apr 9, 1982	Charter air links between Miami and Havana are halted by the U.S. government.

Apr 19, 1982	USG effectively bans travel to Cuba by prohibiting monetary expenditures in Cuba by U.S. citizens.

Oct 25, 1983	The U.S. intervention of Grenada begins following a leftist coup and the discovery that Cubans are being used to build an airstrip that could have been used for military aircraft.

Jan 11, 1984	A presidential commission on Central America headed by Henry Kissinger reports that the Soviet and Cuban intervention in the region has created a major security problem for the United States.

July 31, 1984	U.S. and Cuban officials hold talks on migration issues.

Dec 14, 1984	The United States and Cuba conclude a migration pact under which Cuba agrees to accept the return of Marielitos.

Jan 21, 1985	U.S. bishops visits Cuba. They meet with Castro and request the release of 250 political prisoners.

May 20, 1985	Radio Marti begins broadcasts to Cuba. The Cuban government immediately jams the signal. Castro later suspends the 1984 U.S.-Cuban immigration agreement.


1986	The Cuban government begins to grant long-term visas to foreign priests and nuns.

Nov 19, 1987	The United States and Cuba conclude a new immigration pact which reinstates the 1984 agreement.

Mar 1988	The UN Human Rights Commission sends a team to report on the human rights situation in Cuba.

Aug 23, 1988	President Reagan signs a trade act that ends licensing requirements for importing recordings, printed material, and other media from Cuba.

Nov 1988	At the intercession of the U.S. Catholic Conference, Cuba agrees to release 44 political prisoners.

Nov 20, 1989	The Treasury Department limits travel related expenses for U.S. citizens to Cuba at $100 per day.

Mar 23, 1990	The first test of TV Marti is launched. It is jammed by the Cuban government.

May 20, 1991	In a meeting with Cuban dissidents, President Bush calls for Castro to release political prisoners and hold elections.

Sep 11, 1991	Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev states that he will withdraw all Soviet troops from Cuba.

1991	The Fourth Communist Party Congress resolves to allow members of religious groups to join the party.

Dec 1991	Termination of Soviet economic subsidies worth approximately $6 billion annually.

Jul 1992	Changes to the Cuban constitution include measures to attract foreign investment without compromising Castro's hold on power. The official designation of the Cuban government is changed from "atheist" to "secular." Religious discrimination is also forbidden.

Oct 15, 1992	Congress passes the Cuban Democracy Act, which prohibits foreign-based subsidiaries of U.S. companies from trading with Cuba, travel to Cuba by U.S. citizens, and family remittances to Cuba. The law allows private groups to deliver food and medicine to Cuba.

Oct 1, 1993	The United States and Cuba reach an agreement at the working level on the repatriation of 1500 criminal Cuban migrants. High level GOC approval was never forthcoming.

Aug 1994	Following Castro's declaration of an open migration policy, a new boat lift begins when 30,000 refugees set sail from Cuba as economic conditions continue to deteriorate. A "picket line" established by the U.S. Coast Guard prevents additional seaborne migrations.

Sep 1, 1994	Talks on migration open in New York City between Cuban and U.S. officials.

Sep 9, 1994	The U.S. and Cuba issue a joint communique agreeing to take measures to ensure that migration between the two countries is safe, legal, and orderly. The U.S. agrees that total legal migration to the U.S. will be a minimum of 20,000 per year.

May 2, 1995	The U.S. and Cuba issue a joint statement reaffirming their commitment to promote safe, legal, and orderly migration. Under this accord, Cubans interdicted at sea or who enter the Guantanamo Naval Base illegally are returned to Cuba provided that they do not have any protection concerns. Returned Cubans are monitored by personnel from the United States Interests Section.

Oct 5, 1995	President Clinton announces measures to expand people-to-people contacts between the U.S. and Cuba, to allow U.S. NGO's to fund projects in Cuba, and to provide AID funding to U.S. NGO's for Cuba-related projects.

Nov 1995	The Concilio Cubano is formed to organize the first human rights conference in which all human rights groups on the island were expected to participate.

Jan 1996	The GOC denies Concilio legal recognition. Concilio requests permission for the conference to take place February 24, 1996.

Feb 1996	The GOC begins an island-wide crackdown on Concilio Cubano. During the next 3 months over 200 Concilio leaders and supporters would be arrested, interrogated, and harassed.

Feb 24, 1996	Cuban MIG's shoot down in international airspace two civilian aircraft belonging to the Miami-based group Brothers to the Rescue. Three Americans and one Cuban Legal Resident are killed.

Mar 12, 1996	President Clinton signs the Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (Libertad Act) which enacts penalties on foreign companies doing business in Cuba, permits U.S. citizens to sue foreign investors who make use of American-owned property seized by the Cuban government, and denies entry into the U.S. to such foreign investors.

Jul 16, 1996	President Clinton suspends enforcement of Title III provisions of the Libertad Act permitting suits to be filed in U.S. courts against foreign investors who are profiting from U.S.-claimed confiscated property. Title III itself is allowed to go into effect on August 1.

Nov 19, 1996	Pope John Paul II receives Castro at the Vatican. The Pope accepts an invitation to visit Cuba.

Aug 16, 1996	President Clinton appoints Ambassador Stuart Eizenstat as the Special Representative for the Promotion of Democracy in Cuba.

Dec 2, 1996	The European Union adopts the Common Position on Cuba, conditioning developmental assistance to Cuba on fundamental, democratic change.

Jan 3, 1997	President Clinton suspends the right to sue provisions of Title III, pointing to the progress made under the U.S.-led multilateral initiative to promote democratic change in Cuba.

Jan 28, 1997	The President releases a report on assistance the U.S. and rest of the international community would provide to a transition government in Cuba.

Feb 12, 1997	The Administration approves licenses for U.S. news organizations to open bureaus in Cuba. Only CNN is allowed in by the Cuban Government.

Apr 11, 1997	U.S.-EU Understanding. The EU agrees to suspend WTO case against the Libertad Act and other components of U.S. legislation. The U.S. and EU agree to work together to develop binding international disciplines to deter investment in confiscated property. U.S. agrees to seek presidential waiver authority for Title IV of the Libertad Act if such disciplines are developed and adhered to.

Jul 16, 1997	Cuban state security arrests the Dissident Working Group on charges of enemy propaganda.

Jul 16, 1997	President Clinton for the third time suspends the right to sue provisions of Title III.

Aug-Dec 1997	USG approves a license request by Archdiocese of Miami to charter a cruise ship to take pilgrims to Cuba during the Pope's visit, and licenses for other religious groups and media to use charter aircraft to go to Cuba for the Pope's visit.

Notice the span of times between Castro's takeover, and the break in Cuba-US diplomatic relations...two years.

It seems Nixon was not fooled, and probably could not overcome the pink State Department.

Ike's betrayal of Hungarian freedomfighters has significant context.

Soviets arranged for the Suez "crisis" to distract the West; then stole the CIA codes and tripped the wire three days early in Hungary. Tanks were waiting.

As for the agrarian reformer, my mother was not fooled.

How different things would have been for Castro had Daley and LBJ not stolen the 1960 election for JFK.

The passion of David Sanchez Morales describing the hit on Kennedy recounted in Fonzi's Last Investigation and Twyman's Bloody Treason is telling.

The betrayal of the Bay of Pigs invasion began with JFK's refusal to allow the B-25's to take out the three T-33's.

The downing of Powers' U-2 was said to be sabotage by CIA intent upon torpedoing Ike's summit with Kruschev.

The Venona Papers confirm the sensational charges of McCarthy that communists had infiltrated the government.

In the text above is the Moscow policy of detailing certain operatives to the existing power structure to operate on command.

Mark Rudd made a trip to Cuba in 1968. In 1969 he attempted to stir up participation in SDS Days of Rage October 8-11 in Chicago.

We photographed, taped and filmed him for seven hours at Purdue. Sitting next to him on a living room floor he seemed a speed-freak Ted Bundy warning that his Maoist arm-banded comrades didn't trust our presence as "journalists".

In Chicago his two hundred were within concentric rings of Daley's police army, and were quickly arrested.

The failure of the U.S. to act against Castro in my view is due to pinks at State, in CIA (thanks to Dulles bringing reds with his nazis post-WWII), and NYT.

Nixon was as easily mocked as McCarthy by the silk-stockinged leftists.

These traitors remain in the Castro-loving Rangel, Rather, et al.

CNN is the prime megaphone for the dictator.

How exactly could Eisenhower have "helped" the Hungarians in 1956? Hungary was part of, and surrounded by, Warsaw Pact countries, which all were forward bases for the Red Army. We had trouble enough rebuilding western Europe and keeping West Berlin open. Krushchev's response to American support of the Hungarian revolt could well have been to ignite a large scale war for western Europe, hardly an acceptable military strategy for the U.S.

But today there is no USSR to come to the aid of Cuba's Communist rulers, and it is curious to me that there has been no attempt to pressure Castro out of power.

Ike promised help, then renigged. Covert acctions could have been done. It's off topic, so do let's stick with Cuba, on this thread.

Thanks for the post and the ping.

Saturday July 26, 2003 Cuban people will celebrate the 50th anniversary of the assault on military barricades in Santiago de Cuba.

GREAT POST! THANK YOU LUIS.