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Republican Breakup?
PhxNews ^ | Joe Duarte

Posted on 07/30/2003 11:25:27 AM PDT by hsmomx3

If you put your ear to the ground, you can hear the rumble. It is the rumble of political discontent, obsolete bipolarities, and looming realignment. What am I talking about? I’m talking about the coming split of the Republican Party.

Years ago, Jeff Foxworthy blessed America with his “…you might be a redneck” jokes. Drawing upon his comedic methodology:

If you fear the one true God, define America as a “Christian Nation”, seek to make God’s Law the law of the land, think of homosexuals as freaks and sinners, and want to jail women who have abortions…you might be a Republican.

If you think history has bequeathed a destiny upon America to serve as the world’s policeman, to liberate oppressed nations, and you love to stay up all night strategizing on how to isolate the Saudis or punish France…you might be a Republican.

If you think it is the proper role of a Jeffersonian state to steal money from citizens to build civic plazas and university labs…you might be a Republican.

If you don’t care about ballooning budget deficits, and want to jack up government spending as though the rising debt never needs to be paid...you might be a Republican.

If you can’t stand deficits, are firmly committed to balancing the budget, and want to dramatically cut taxes and spending…well, you might have been a Republican in 1980.

There are at least five categories above, and all of them consist of people who identify with the GOP. They are, in order: theocratic Christian conservatives (there are, thank God, non-theocratic ones as well), neoconservatives, Chamber of Commerce Republicans who practice crony capitalism, the Bushies, and finally the blessed fiscal conservatives.

So what’s the problem? These people cannot possibly coexist in the same party for much longer. This is especially true now that Republicans in power have abandoned fiscal responsibility. They now stand for nothing – certainly nothing that would meaningfully separate them from big-spending Democrats.

Republicans were supposed to be about freedom – freedom from that monster which takes freedom away – government. The GOP was supposed to “get the government off our backs.” This hasn’t happened, and government at all levels is violating our rights now more than ever.

The above five groups can really be reduced to two kinds of people. There are those people that want to be left alone, and there are those people that refuse to leave others alone. The former simply want to be left alone to pursue their happiness, and are happy to leave others alone to do the same. They understand government’s proper role is limited to securing this freedom from those (criminals and foreign threats) who would aggress upon their peaceful lives. The latter group are all basically civil thugs. They want to impose their vision of the good on others by force. They don’t care if you’re living a peaceful, happy life. In fact, they might hold it against you. They want to take your money, or arrest you for any number of reasons. Got weed? To jail you go. Got a gay lover? To jail you go. Got a cancer treatment they haven’t approved? To jail you go. Got a successful business? How’s 40% off the top sound?

Republicans used to be the leave-me-alone crowd, and Democrats the thugs. Things are messier now.

What we can expect to see in the coming decade or two is a realignment. There are lots and lots of fine leave-me-alone people in the GOP. They don’t hate gays or brown people. They are pro-abortion and anti-tax. They are basically libertarians, but see themselves as too pragmatic to join the Libertarian Party.

There are also some leave-me-aloners in the Democratic camp. I call them smart gay people: they are too gay to be Republican, but much too smart about self-responsibility and economics to be real Democrats. Smart gay people are really good for America.

The theocratic Christian conservatives are a strong wing of the GOP. They will either grow to dominate the GOP or they will get their asses kicked out by the leave-me-alone Republicans. In any case, what we will see is a realignment that unites all the pro-freedom Americans under a major party. The religious nuts might have their own party, like the Religious Nut Party or something similar. It seems structurally impossible to break the two-party system into three or more parties, but I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility altogether. In any case, two parties might be enough to represent the major threads.

There are lots of unhappy Republicans today, chafing at their party’s abandonment of fiscal restraint and occupation by anti-sodomists. There are some number of Democrats that have tired of the drug war, expanded police powers, and foreign adventurism. These people need to find each other, for they are the best Americans.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2004; 3rdpartyenemy; bigtent; compassionate; conservatives; democrats; dreamon; fiscal; gop; libertarians; mainstreet; religiousright; republicans; rinos; rnc; soleavealready; winwithoutyou
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1 posted on 07/30/2003 11:25:28 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: hsmomx3
Where was the obligatory "Barf" alert?
2 posted on 07/30/2003 11:27:33 AM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: hsmomx3
The only split in the GOP is those who think Bush will win in 2004, and those tho think he'll win by a *landslide* in 2004.

They're both right.

3 posted on 07/30/2003 11:29:32 AM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: DittoJed2

4 posted on 07/30/2003 11:31:05 AM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: hsmomx3
This is the best analysis of the probable future trends that I have seen in a long long time. Excellent article!
5 posted on 07/30/2003 11:31:28 AM PDT by FreeLibertarian (You live and learn. Or you don't live long.)
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To: hsmomx3
If you fear the one true God, define America as a “Christian Nation”, seek to make God’s Law the law of the land, think of homosexuals as freaks and sinners, and want to jail women who have abortions…you might be a Republican.

This is a joke. Anyone who views the Christian right this way is either brain dead or has an agenda.

6 posted on 07/30/2003 11:35:14 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: FreeLibertarian
There may be a split in the GOP -- the 0.3% who are the naysayers will go off to a corner to sulk on their own.
7 posted on 07/30/2003 11:35:14 AM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: My2Cents
And, of course, there are no divides in the Libertarian so-called party!
8 posted on 07/30/2003 11:38:08 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: hsmomx3
Actually, a lot of people define themselves as Republicans simply because they are against the DemonRat "Party of Treason". If the DemonRats ever get safely trampled into the mud, where the US House is 2/3 Republican and the Senate is 60% Republican, and Republicans dominate in most state houses and governorships -- at that point those who have been hanging together to counter a common threat will have it out. What will happen then I don't know. I see 2 plausible scenarios.

1st, the DemonRats will become more and more marginalized and a successful 3rd party will arise. That's only happened twice, I think, and never in this century (emphasis on "successful" meaning they become stronger and stronger and overtake one of the primary parties). This can occur if the blue-collar (non-union) democrats, the fiscal conservatives, the "Goldwater" Republicans, and some others create a 3rd party that will absorb the non-leftists from the Democrat party as well as the fiscal conservative/Goldwater Republicans. I make no likelyhood guess as to how long this would take, but I would guess it would depend on how long it takes for a dominant Republican party to become corrupted.

Alternatively, I could see the Democrat party have a revolution and kick out the Leftist demon possessed gay/green/pediphile wing. If they did that successfully and became the party of fiscal conservatism, strong border control (anti-illegal immigration), and strong military defense they could then challenge a dominant Republican party. But the DemonRats would have to be absolutely trampled into the mud for many years before this could happen. Still -- 20 years -- maybe.

9 posted on 07/30/2003 11:40:41 AM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: CyberCowboy777
Both. This kind of comment or "analysis" which relies upon stereotypes shows an inability to understand the true nature of an influential group in our society (or it simply shows the writer's laziness in not doing the research needed to fully understand this group), and dooms the writer and his ilk to perpetual political defeat.

"Know your enemy" is an essential principle of combat, and the author of this article shows no sincere desire to fully "know his enemy," other than to set up a comicbook characterization of people he doesn't like. His laziness and bias consign him to continued defeat and frustration.

10 posted on 07/30/2003 11:41:02 AM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: hsmomx3
A lot depends on what happens to the 'Rat Party. For example, if they nominate Dean and he loses 49 states, a net 10 Senators and 30 House seats, the 'Rats may alter their approach in some significant ways to pick up one or more of the groups above.

The Republican Party right now is a pretty big tent. Not for nothing does the term "RINO" exist.
11 posted on 07/30/2003 11:44:06 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats
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To: hsmomx3; xsmommy; VaBthang4
There are lots of unhappy Republicans today, chafing at their party’s abandonment of fiscal restraint and occupation by anti-sodomists. There are some number of Democrats that have tired of the drug war, expanded police powers, and foreign adventurism. These people need to find each other, for they are the best Americans.

OK Mr. Browne put your hands in the Air, and step away from the Bong.....

12 posted on 07/30/2003 11:44:41 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: My2Cents

LOL! The DNC needs to come up with better articles if they expect to peel away any meaningful support among Republicans. On the other hand, the RINOS, the militia nutjobs, the racists, those who want to nuke Mecca, and moral-liberals who turn their blind eyes to evil should be encouraged to leave the Party.

13 posted on 07/30/2003 11:44:42 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: hobbes1
i love that pouty little look they have....
14 posted on 07/30/2003 11:45:38 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: hsmomx3
The Republican Party is historically a coalition between Christians, capitalists, true-believers (he calls them neo-conservatives, but they have always been with us) and pragmatic libertarians. That is the alliance that is the Republican Party. There is always tension between the various currents within the party, but the mixture is more complex than he admits or recognizes, as most people fall into more than one category, and embody more than one current of thought simultaneously.

This makes for a very active philosophical debate, that continues over the generations, as the various currents hammer out a rolling consensus.

15 posted on 07/30/2003 11:45:56 AM PDT by marron
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To: FreeLibertarian
The religious nuts might have their own party, like the Religious Nut Party or something similar

There is already one major party that is the "Religious nut party", the uber secular Democratic party, and their miniscule cousin disguising themself as "right wing", the Libertarians.

16 posted on 07/30/2003 11:46:36 AM PDT by Dane
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To: dark_lord
I think your analysis is absolutely correct. It's the historical precedent that one party will not always dominate the political environment. If, and when, the Democrat Party sinks into permanent futility, something will by necessity rise to take its place and become competitive with the Republican Party. There is also the inevitability that once it becomes fat and happy in its success, the Republican Party will splinter over real ideological differences. But this won't happen until it reaches a perpetual supermajority status.

The bottomline: As long as the only issue that the Democrats have to offer is the right to kill one's unborn child, they are doomed to minority status. I'll cheer the day they sink into the abyss. That's objective #1. When that happens, we can then debate the future of the Republican Party.

17 posted on 07/30/2003 11:47:37 AM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: hsmomx3
The theocratic Christian conservatives are a strong wing of the GOP

nice touch

18 posted on 07/30/2003 11:47:47 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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19 posted on 07/30/2003 11:47:53 AM PDT by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: ChadGore
tooooooo right!!!! good riddance to the RATS!
20 posted on 07/30/2003 11:48:56 AM PDT by rrrod
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