[Woahhs]

I do believe one big reason why women are pastoring churches is because in many cases, the men just won't. Men have abdicated their responsibility to be priest, prophet and king in their own homes.

Well I believe women are pastoring churches because they are willful and rebellious. Men can't lead women that refuse to follow. Now answer the question "who has a vested interest in claiming a dearth of pious men: pious men or rebellious women?" Who has been steadily gaining influence for a hundred years: pious men or rebellious women? What does our country most closely resemble, the vision of pious men, or rebellious women.

[Marysecretary]

Yes, you're right as well. But if men had filled the seminaries, I do believe that women wouldn't have. I've seen this happen over and over again in the Methodist Church. They couldn't fill the pulpits with men so they allowed women in. It's a two edged sword. Men are not blameless in this, as much as men would like to think they aren't. Women are rebellious and insubmissive but men also have to take responsibility for some of that. When a man loves his wife, and shows it in palpable ways, I don't believe a woman has a problem submitting to him. When he treats her like a piece of furniture in his home, she does rebel. Men need to face their responsibilities in the home as well as in the church and too many of them just plain don't want to be bothered. Not all, of course, but you just look around and see what homes you know of where the man is the head of the home and leads his family spiritually. I hope you can find many of them. I don't see it much here.