ArnoldGovernor.net (correct thread)

ArnoldGovernor.net (elephantparty.com - temporary) ^ | 8/6/2003 | Jagrmeister

[jagrmeister]

CALLING ALL Arnold Schwarzenegger Supporters:

I am announcing the creation of ArnoldGovernor.net . I have reserved the domain, but the site is up right now at a temporary URL which can be seen here (www.elephantparty.com). I am a Californian and a conservative - and I can say with certainty that Arnold represents the best chance we have of claiming California's governorship. I am posting this site for your review.

First, the others in the race. Bill Simon and Tom McClintock are both fine men, but they have lost important statewide races in the past. Simon lost a race against Davis last year which should have been a cakewalk given Davis' record. Most political analysts agree that Simon ran one of the worst campaigns in recent memory. McClintock is a virtual unknown statewide (let's not get fooled by our own echo chamber). The KEY to remember is that we have

Only 2 months (8 weeks) until Election Day. There is NO time to run someone who Californians have rejected in the past or a virtual unknown. For those who have leaned towards either of them, I'm appealing to your sense of reason to get behind someone with the best shot of winning. Now, why should we elect Arnold?

Arnold is a fiscal conservative but moderate otherwise. His stance on abortion will matter less than you might think- that's a matter for Supreme Court justices which the California governor has no say about. He is pro-business, pro-entrepreneurship, and tough on crime (witness his Proposition 49 which aims to reduce juvenille crime - a major, largely unaddressed component of crime). He is an "American by choice" and is very patriotic. People look at him and think "It's okay to be a Republican". With Schwarzenegger pulling a Total Recall on Grey Davis, Bush may actually find that California is friendly territory in 2004.

I am looking for pro-Arnold supporters to help:

1. Pitching Arnold's candidacy

2. Graphics design- create compelling visuals that are pro-Arnold or anti-Davis

3. Anyone else that wants to be pinged for pro-Arnold events.

4. Coming up with good one liners, spin, updates, opposition research, etc.

Let's team up! Thanks!!

Once I get your suggestions, I will update the site and in a few days, it will be at ArnoldGovernor.net . Thanks all Freepers for your help.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

In an ironic twist, Gray Davis entered the "Mr Puniverse" bodybuilding Contest.

[jagrmeister]

Can I add you to my pro-Arnold mailing list?

[Jay D. Dyson]

How about endorsing a real conservative instead of a RINO?

If you're unfamiliar with his stand on the issues, there's plenty of reading material here:

http://republican.sen.ca.gov/web/mcclintock/issues.asp

We spent this much time, effort and money on getting Davis recalled. Let's not replace him with "Davis Lite" who supports such causes as affirmative action, gun control and other Liberal platforms.

-Jay

[eccl1212]

McClintock is a nobody.
NO name recognition.

[Jay D. Dyson]

McClintock is a nobody.
NO name recognition.

So "name recognition" is everything, eh?

Tell that to Walter Mondale.

-Jay

[jagrmeister]

McClintock will lose. He has ZERO chance of being elected and will lose by a large margin just like the last time he ran for statewide office. This whole business of labeling people RINO's to end debate is getting tired- Arnold can win the governorship (unlike McClintock, Simon) and will be a financial conservative. His stance on abortion won't matter since he doesn't appoint Supreme Court justices. We don't need purists to take us down the same road of failure again.

[jagrmeister]

Poor analogy. Mondale had name recognition but was behind the times. In contrast, Arnold is the perfect populist candidacy- a man who speaks to the people and doesn't represent either fringe in the political continuum. Wake up to reality in California- you're not going to get a Pat Robertson conservative in the governor's office.

[gop_gene]

I am not a Californian (and considering the road that state has been heading down, thank goodness for that) but just giving my opinion--the poster has stated all the reasons why all republicans/conservatives should unite behind Arnold--and I for one find those arguments very sound. Arnold may not be the "ideal" gop candidate, but he's the best California can likely get right now, and he's well known, is larger than life, is very savvy and has the type of persona that can inspire, this could be the beginnings of a good thing for the state, certainly he can't do worse than Davis.

[swheats]

The critics can say what they want to about Arnold, but it's refreshing to hear somebody talking about the issues and an enthusiam about the task ahead.

I look forward to the candidate that will take on Reid in Nevada, I hope he comes with that type of enthusian and hope for Nevada.

[eccl1212]

I am not altogether sure that Arnold's stance on abortion is what you could call "pro baby killer" as I have seen floating around here tonight.

I think he would say "not true." And I think he will.
That said, America is still a pro choice nation and california more so. At least Arnold KNOWS what children ARE... Davis doesn't.

The "hes a rino baby killer" slur is wearing a little thin.
The way to end abortion may NOT be a "protest on every corner" "criminalize every act" approach. Look at the WOD... Has it really cut down on drug use statistically?

Arnold would be a positive step in the right direction.. and he may grow more conservative in moral issues, AFTER he is in a position to confront them for a while longer. Reagan wasn't always a democrat. Hubert Humphrey's position on many things, would be to the right of president Bush, if HH were alive today.

Change and growth take time. Arnold is the man of the hour. I wish him well.

[swheats]

I'll bump the thread by correcting my enthusiasm.

You'd think I've been drinking or somethin'

[fieldmarshaldj]

Usually you have a level-head on your shoulders, but this candidacy is a cancer that needs to be radiated before it spreads. Enough is enough. No RINO Governor has ever done any good in ANY state. Use your website to do some good and expose this leftist fraud and to promote a real Republican in Tom McClintock. Do it before it's too late.

[DoughtyOne]

   

Schwarzenegger's instincts are good as far as realizing what the Dems have done to the state stinks.  He fires off some pretty good sound-bytes.

It will be interesting to watch him weave his course over the next 61 days.

From yesterday evening's Tonight Show.  Right click, view, to see 640x480 versions.

[lainde]

Wish mcClintock had a chance. I heard him on Larry Elder and he was quite good. Unfortunately I really don't think he can win. I'm tired of losing and I've voted for the conservative in every election for the past 7 years. I'm going for Arnold because I understand he has a business degree and he's managed his own money fairly well.

[strela]

Tell that to Walter Mondale.

Hey everybody, Jay is recycling this same weak comeback on other threads as well. Guess he figures a Hitlerian "Big Lie" will work if repeated often enough.

[onyx]

With Arnold in, Gray is definitely out.

I'm looking for a US Senator McClintock, or Issa or Simon --- to kick the begeezus out of Boxer.

[RJayneJ]

One consolation is that McClintock may decide to get out of the race, and try later maybe with Arnie's endorsement. He sounds like a good candidate but he is so unknown that a short race of two months just isn't enough. If Arnold wins he could appoint him to a state post that would give him higher recognition next time around.

[EternalVigilance]

Actually, this is the perfect kind of race for a candidate like McClintock. Name ID is likely to be less important than real on-the-ground grassroots organization.

Personally, I refuse to give any support to a candidate like Schwarzennegger who supports abortion and the further erosion of our unalienable rights, particularly the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

I don't know how any true conservative can countenance it.

[RJayneJ]

You have to vote your conscience, but I don't believe a pro-life conservative would ever be elected governor of California. It certainly would help Bush while campaigning there to have a popular Republican governor at his side.

[EternalVigilance]

If Schwarzenegger becomes such a popular figure as you surmise, that represents a real setback for the cause of the right to life of the unborn, and the effort to protect our Second Amendment rights.

He will be held up by the left of both parties as a shining example of how wonderful pro-abortion gungrabbers are.

Not a good thing. Very bad, in fact.

[Jay D. Dyson]

Guess he figures a Hitlerian "Big Lie" will work if repeated often enough.

Godwin's Law Strikes Again!

Do not pass "Go." Do not vote for RINOs.

-Jay

[RJayneJ]

He could not do anything about abortion even if he wanted to because it has been decided by the supreme court and is not a state issue and the same constitution has a Second Amendment that also takes that issue out of a governors hands.

[jagrmeister]

I'm telling you Field, things are desperate in California. Those who aren't here don't know. We have ALL Democrats in the statewide offices, we're getting blown out in the Senate and Gubernatiorial races. We needed a Beacon of Hope and Arnold is it. This is our shot and we've got to go with it!

[EternalVigilance]

You are naive if you think that his positions on two of the most critical issues of our day are not a reflection of a real philosophical problem with this man, and that they won't impact the national course of those debates.

Or you have fallen into the celebrity cult of personality win-at-any-cost trap.

I know your activities around here enough to believe it is the former.

[jagrmeister]

>Name ID is likely to be less important than real on-the-ground grassroots organization

Whoever told you this is mistaken. Millions will show up for the recall election and I can tell you that the McClintock's "grassroots organization" - to whatever degree it even exists - cannot reach a fraction of those people. In California, we haven't faced reality in years; we've been sold pipe dream after pipe dream and lost eleciton after election. No more. Arnold will win.

[EternalVigilance]

There are enough conservatives in CA to win this election with a conservative candidate if they are united.

Why are you supporting a pro-abortion gungrabber?

Are a freakin leftist or what?

[EternalVigilance]

In California, we haven't faced reality in years; we've been sold pipe dream after pipe dream and lost eleciton after election. No more. Arnold will win.

Talk about pipe dreams. Even if you're right, you are still going to be stuck with a leftist governor. Some progress.

[rolling_stone]

Do you live in California or in the the DC area? Do you know how bad things are in California? Do you pay taxes in California? Are you a two issue person? Sometimes compromise is necessary to get anywhere...imagine if Davis remained Governor or Cruz Bustamonte was elected Governor of California...or Loretta Sanchez, then what? Time to consider who really has a chance to win, Simon sure blew it last time around...and look what happened, Davis tripled the car tax, and wants to give Drivers Licenses to illegals and continue on his merry drunken spending....I have to live here and would rather have someone in the middle of the road than some leftist socialist in the Governors Mansion...yeah Arnold is not as conservative as I would like, but he might just be electable in the state. Did you know there was a previous effort to recall Davis that failed after he deep sixed prop 187? (which is part of the reason the state is in such bad shape as it is now)....

I'll wait to see each candidate put out their ideas and platform before I make a decision....the main thing is that almost anyone will do a better job than Davis...

[EternalVigilance]

Do you live in California or in the the DC area?

As I have readily and repeatedly said on all of these threads, I don't live in CA. You will decide who your next governor is. But don't pretend that what you do there doesn't effect the rest of us--it does and it will.

Do you know how bad things are in California?

I'm quite aware of the situation, yes. It is bleak, to say the least.

Do you pay taxes in California?

No, thank God.

Are you a two issue person?

LOL...that's a good one. Normally those of us who stand for the principles we believe in are called 'single-issue', no matter how broad our agenda. But to give you a straight out answer, no.

Sometimes compromise is necessary to get anywhere...

And sometimes it is those very compromises that lead you down a blind canyon.

...imagine if Davis remained Governor or Cruz Bustamonte was elected Governor of California...or Loretta Sanchez, then what?

Then CA remains on the path it is on--the road to ruin.

Time to consider who really has a chance to win...

There is no reason, given the absolute certainty that this is going to be a splintered ballot, that a united conservative movement can't elect a conservative.

...Simon sure blew it last time around...

I agree. He ran a miserable campaign; further hindered by the very RINOs who are now pushing the Arnold bandwagon downhill fast.

...and look what happened, Davis tripled the car tax, and wants to give Drivers Licenses to illegals and continue on his merry drunken spending....

And electing another liberal is going to improve your plight how, exactly?

I have to live here and would rather have someone in the middle of the road than some leftist socialist in the Governors Mansion...

There is no evidence that Schwarzenegger is 'middle-of-the-road'. You've been listening to too much leftwing media propaganda. On the contrary, all of his public statements on key issues lead anyone who is listening to the conclusion that he himself is a leftist socialist. Listen to what he says, not what you want to hear.

...yeah Arnold is not as conservative as I would like, but he might just be electable in the state.

Maybe. But what do you get when you're done. Another liberal in the Governor's mansion. Wow.

I'll wait to see each candidate put out their ideas and platform before I make a decision....

That's wise. But you don't have to wait to find out where McClintock stands. He has made it abundantly clear by his words AND his record that he stands with the conservatives.

...the main thing is that almost anyone will do a better job than Davis...

Now that we can agree on.

Might as well be someone who will have conservative principles from the start.

[fieldmarshaldj]

"I'm tired of losing and I've voted for the conservative in every election for the past 7 years."

How do you think electing a leftist womanizer cross-dressing as a Republican will be a "win" for you ? I'm telling you that it isn't.

[fieldmarshaldj]

"I'm telling you Field, things are desperate in California."

I'm well aware of that. You'd have to be living under a rock not to know that.

"We have ALL Democrats in the statewide offices, we're getting blown out in the Senate and Gubernatiorial races."

I'm well aware of that, too.

"We needed a Beacon of Hope and Arnold is it. This is our shot and we've got to go with it!"

And I'm telling you this is a false prophet. He's leading the GOP onto the rocks with his liberalism. This is no beacon of hope, this is a recipe for disaster. Reagan would be supporting McClintock and you know that. Ah-nold stands for EVERYTHING that Reagan fought against. We spent decades trying to get these liberal RINOs out of the party. Don't you remember what it was like when they ran the show in DC as recently as the mid '60s ? We dwindled to only 1/3rd of the Congress, we were steamrolled by all the great nutty leftist programs we're still paying for today. Ah-nold will only enact the 'Rat agenda while attaching its stigma to the "R" label, just like what Wilson did. We need to fight this, and you need to as well. There is no level of desperation that would make me sell my soul for a worthless letter of the alphabet. "R" means nothing if it has no core principle to it. Stop this insanity !

[fieldmarshaldj]

The pipe dream is what the RINOs sold California. It's a fraud. They offer us nothing and destroy everything they touch. You can help stop this.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Why is it they don't understand ? What good did it do us in places like New Jersey with Christie Whitman ? All she did was continue failed leftist policies, appoint some of the biggest disgraces to ever wear judicial robes to the high court, and leave the state to a corrupt nitwit who in turn just returned it to the 'Rats. Not one damn bit of difference between leftist RINOs and 'Rats. In fact, I'd say RINOs give us even worse jurists. Earl Warren, anyone ?

[fieldmarshaldj]

"the main thing is that almost anyone will do a better job than Davis..."

That's like saying a rapist is better than a murderer. This statement is the most overused regarding the Governor's race in CA. No, there actually are people worse than Davis. Why are we scraping the bottom of the barrel with slimeball Kennedy liberals like Ah-nold ? McClintock is the only candidate who CAN save California. Ah-nold will keep on with failed Davis liberalism. You guys need to WAKE UP !

[Ramius]

So Mclintock says he's just going to "void" the billions of dollars of contracts. Aside from the legal liability that he represents: Real smart move there. Utterly destroy the ability of the state to write contracts with anyone and drive their bond rates through the roof.

Yup, that would pretty much finish the state off. Go for it. I never liked California much anyway.

[Tempest]

Let me bookmark.

I'll support Arnold over some assclown like McClintock. I don't believe in throwing away my vote.

Simon anyone?!?!?

[discostu]

In a short race with hundreds of candidates name ID is much more important than in normal elections. The two goals of campaigns are to increase name recognition and get the message across. With two month and a crowded field there's not a lot of time for either, with Arnold's celebrity he's garaunteed a lot of free face time (like bieng on Leno last night) which only makes it easier for him.

IMHO, I'd rather Arnold lose, not that I actually care who's governor in California, but if Arnold wins Conan the King will doubtless be shelved again and I've been jonesing for that movie for a long time.

[Tempest]

"I'm looking for a US Senator McClintock, or Issa or Simon --- to kick the begeezus out of Boxer."

LOL!!! Oh my! What a truly funny statement!!! McClintock is full of hot air. And in case some people aren't aware. McClintocks claims of rescinding on state contracts with the power companies is full of poo. I'd like to know how intends to get out of those binding contracts!! LOL!!! I'll vote for a sure fire winner and Republican like Arnold, thank you. If some of you don't comprehend that your NEVER going to vote a far right conservative into California's Governership anytime soon. You shouldn't be discussing politics.

[Richard Kimball]

Where can you get one of those "Vote for me if you want to live" bumper stickers? I'll buy a dozen.

[rolling_stone]

.......McClintock is the only candidate who CAN save California. Ah-nold will keep on with failed Davis liberalism. You guys need to WAKE UP !........

I suggest you wake up and open your ears and eyes, you are travelling like a charging RHINO with tunnel vision...I have stated before I will wait to make up my mind until I hear the candidates plans...FYI liberalism is not the only problem in California, we need someone with guts enough (and in power) to do something about the illegal alien problem. I want to hear the candidates positions on 187 and illegals...in the meantime I suggest you stop and think what would happen to California if Cruz Bustamonte is elected, he may be the one person worse than Davis, and he is a potential winner....McClintock can't save California if he can't get elected, and right now it doesn't look good for him...lets hear some positions and see some polls before we slit our throats we have 60 days of the silly season to sort things out.. before we punch the chads..I voted for Simon not Riordan last time around and see what it got..more Davis....If I thought a real conservative could get elected I would of course back them, but this is California....about to be taken over by Mexico...Aztlan

http://aztlan.net/

[fieldmarshaldj]

I trust that man to get the state's house in order ahead of any other declared candidate. You think Ah-nold will do a better job ? You're whistling Dixie.

[fieldmarshaldj]

"I'll support Arnold over some assclown like McClintock."

Any idiot who makes a remark like that clearly knows nothing. Only liberal DU'ers support Ah-nold over a REAL Republican like McClintock.

"Simon anyone?!?!?"

Simon needs to follow Issa's lead and get out and endorse Tom McClintock. No more f*cking RINO liberals.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Hey, sugar, where do you get off calling Ah-nold a "Republican" ? You have to be one to get called one. If he's a Republican, so is Maxine Waters. How much are they paying you to shill for the womanizing liberal ?

[fieldmarshaldj]

I'm telling it like it is. All these people that think Ah-nold the Kennedy is going to turn the state around is in for a shock. Ever heard of Michael Bloomberg, wunderidiot of New York City ? Not a dimes' worth of difference. Ah-nold will sign off on EVERY trendy leftist piece of legislative bilge be it economic or social. Real Conservatives CAN get elected if we stop kneecapping them. Simon ran a lousy campaign against incredible opposition and still did remarkably well, but I'm not supporting him. If you think Ah-nold will stop "Aztlan" from happening, you got another thing coming. He'll learn Spanish and change his title to Gobernador. Vaya con Dios.

[Ramius]

I trust that man to get the state's house in order ahead of any other declared candidate. You think Ah-nold will do a better job ? You're whistling Dixie.

Whatever. I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm mainly looking forward to some good TV as the recall moves on. From what I've seen of this McClintock fellow, he's a loon, but that's OK because he won't be Governor anyway.

Whatever one-issue republicans think, I'd say the smart money is that Arnold may just in fact be the next Governor of California. I'd say either get used to it or decide which democrat you want vote for to keep him out of there. It looks like the race is his to win or lose, and if he's beaten it *won't* be by another republican.

So have you decided which democrat to vote for?

[Ramius]

A "real" conservative will never, ever, be elected again in California. I don't like it much either but that's the way it is.

[fieldmarshaldj]

"Whatever. I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm mainly looking forward to some good TV as the recall moves on. From what I've seen of this McClintock fellow, he's a loon, but that's OK because he won't be Governor anyway."

You've got to stop listening to the Ah-nold and Riordan disciples and the leftist media. McClintock is not only NOT a loon, but the only one with a solid plan to put the state back on a sound fiscal track. He's the one that stood firm against the 'Rats in the State Senate in preventing an even worse budget from being rammed down the throats of Californians.

"Whatever one-issue republicans think, I'd say the smart money is that Arnold may just in fact be the next Governor of California. I'd say either get used to it or decide which democrat you want vote for to keep him out of there. It looks like the race is his to win or lose, and if he's beaten it *won't* be by another republican."

I don't know what this one-issue business is, but I think asking for a remotely across-the-board right-of-center candidate is not too much to ask. And you can dress up a 'Rat pig any way you like, but it's still a 'Rat pig, and Ah-nold is a 'Rat pig pretending to be a Republican.

"So have you decided which democrat to vote for?"

I'll tell you which Democrat I WON'T vote for, and that Democrat is Ah-nold.

[fieldmarshaldj]

"A "real" conservative will never, ever, be elected again in California. I don't like it much either but that's the way it is."

And to that, I say an unequivocal bull$hit. Conservatives can win when they run STRONG UNAPOLOGETIC CANDIDATES. McClintock is just that man, that's why he did better than ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE running last year. Conservatism isn't a loser, but RINOs are. Case closed.

[rockfish59]

Vote for me or I will terminate you...yadda, yadda, yadda

When I saw 'Pumping Iron', his father died while he was touring for the Mr. Universe (Olympia?) title and when they told him about it he said he couldn't come to the funeral because the title was too important to him!
Now that's some son!

Arnold's father was a nazi who fought in Russia. I believe what Mike Savage said about children of ill repute parents who usually try to compensate for that by being ultra, bleeding heart liberals.
He also advocates more gun control.

Kennedys!

I wouldn't trust Arnold as far as I could throw him.