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As gays advance, America squirms
The Detroit News ^ | August 10, 2003 | Ron French

Posted on 08/10/2003 8:50:57 PM PDT by new cruelty

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:09:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

FARMINGTON -- Jan Stevenson plans a summer wedding, a small affair with 30 or 40 friends and family. She hasn't picked a chapel or even a city. But she has picked a country.

She and partner Susan Horowitz will marry next summer in Canada. The gay couple's union will be a ceremony laced with private sentiment and public symbolism.


(Excerpt) Read more at detnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: backlash; divorce; gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; marriage; marriageamendment; prisoners
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Good comments about them seeking approval - I think homosexuals want some type of reassurance and spin that their behavior really isn't all that disgusting.

First they said they wanted us to be tolerant - now they can't tolerate anyone criticizing their behavior or their tactics. They're the ones who are intolerant and critical. They want their sexual agenda to dominate the culture, they want pro-homosexual indoctrination in schools, and they are trying with great success to suppress any organizations who don't submit to them - witness the Boy Scouts.

The homonazis can't be ignored any more, or people will find out that freedom of speech and association is gone. Nazism and homosexual behavior go hand in hand (no pun intended). The philosophical foundation of Nazism was based on homo-eroticism - especially military "male bonding" and pederasty, made-up eastern occultism, Neitzchean atheistic "superman" domination, and "special elitist" junk. Same sex acts cause mental illness, especially anger and aggression, and often lead to psychosis. Many male homosexuals are not effeminate at all, but exaggerated ultra-masculine, angry, vengeful and hateful. They are dangerous.

41 posted on 08/10/2003 10:26:34 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Jeff Gordon
And richly deserved, too. As Harvick said, when you're out of gas, get out of the groove. Dead bang right.
42 posted on 08/10/2003 10:35:26 PM PDT by SAJ (Trust government, any government, and you're digging your own grave)
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To: Judith Anne
All they do is bitch about that, and get really nasty about demanding that mainline churches pat them on the head and tell them they're normal and won't go to hell or something, and that God wants them to be "fulfilled."

I think the one big factor in the gay/lesbian agenda is that all of them knew at one time their actions were just plain wrong. Since they didn't want to change they want to push it on us. I hate to say this but I think they will win because of our court system and the socialist attack on America.
43 posted on 08/10/2003 10:46:59 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Will work for good tagline. Got tired of my old one. It lasted 2 posts.)
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To: new cruelty
My first NASCAR race was the 1999 Daytona 500. I was invited by a high school friend I had not seen in 30 years. I was not up on NASCAR at that time so I did some reading. I did not want to appear NASCAR dumb in front of my old friends. I decided that Jeff Gordon sounded like the guy I wanted to cheer for. Turns out they were all #3 fans. Just my luck. I was a Maine Yankee in a Southern Military College and a #24 fan among #3 fans.

To make matters worse, there was a row of gorgeous women just behind us. They all had all painted their nails with a white #3 on black.

The only thing saved me that day was the fact that "The Right Guy" won that race. LOL

44 posted on 08/10/2003 11:40:42 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Post Toasties
I get the two confused all the time. Recently, I stumbled across this little bit of information on the matter:

Wonder when to use i.e. and when to use e.g.? When you're listing examples, use e.g. It's short for exempli gratia, which means "for the sake of example" in Latin.

When you're explaining something, use i.e., which is short for id est, or "that is." I can never remember the Latin, so I cheat here. "In essence" starts with the same letters. If you can use "in essence" and still have your sentence make sense, use i.e. Otherwise, use e.g.

I like big dogs, e.g. St. Bernards, Golden Retrievers, and Bernese Mountain Dogs. I like Golden Retrievers and St. Bernards, i.e. big dogs.

45 posted on 08/11/2003 5:59:39 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Jeff Gordon
Out of obligation to the family, I root for #38.


46 posted on 08/11/2003 6:05:28 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Palladin
The YUCK factor will never go away, not in a thousand years.

Yes, the idea of vinegar feriliser sex can be tolerated so long as it is kept in the stables and for the "work" at the stables.

47 posted on 08/11/2003 6:10:07 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
They push the agenda because they need the approval for what they are doing. It does not seem to be forthcoming from many but their immediate circle of homosexuals, politicians and assorted supporters so they must seek other avenues. Church, schools, scouts and any other area they feel will give them the the most publicity. We have civil rights for all. That is not the issue at all. They want you and everyone to approve, verify and sanction what they are and how they live. A visit to a competent lawyer can resolve all issues but one. They want mass approval from the entire country that it is OK for a man to marry a man. It is not going to happen.
48 posted on 08/11/2003 6:18:13 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: new cruelty
Come on folks...we have to change the definition of marriage so that Hillary can have a First Lady!!!!
49 posted on 08/11/2003 6:49:40 AM PDT by grumple
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To: Terriergal
"We are their vision of hell."....yea, Horowitz may be right, but, HELL, will be a reality for him and his when they die!!!!!!!!
50 posted on 08/11/2003 7:49:40 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: new cruelty
If morality and history only ratcheted in one direction (leftward), we'd already be well past this point. It doesn't. It swings bank and forth. And the harder you push in one direction, the harder things swing back when they turn around and go the other way.
51 posted on 08/11/2003 11:08:45 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
A friend of mine wrote this guy a letter. Here is his answer (she passed it onto me, asked me to post it here)
At least he answered. Nobody can dissect an argument better than freepers, have at it!!!


Thank you for your email. President Bush said that he was against gay marriage, but that we shouldn't be too hard on gays because

"I am mindful that we're all sinners, and I caution those who may try to take the speck out of their neighbor's eye when they got a log in their own,"

Overlooking his grammatical error, it's quite obvious what the president was saying. Yes, we are all sinners. You and I may have a variety of sins. The sin of gays is homosexuality. It's a belief that , according to your email, you also hold.

As an example, say the president had been talking about President Clinton's sexual escapades in one sentence and, in the very next sentence, says, "I am mindful that we're all sinners, and I caution those who may try to take the speck out of their neighbor's eye when we got (sic) a log in their own." In this example, Bush is calling Clinton a sinner.

If you also disagree with that example, then our disagreement is over logic (whether B necessarily follows A), not the rules for quotations.

That being said, I'm a little confused about why a Christian would think that labeling someone a "sinner" is "mean" - shouldn't the president have the courage of your convictions? Wouldn't Bush be viewed as quoting traditional, classic theology?

As far as bias, I'd like to point out that the article quotes four people with pro-gay positions, and three (four counting Bush's "sinners" quotation) with anit-gay positions. That's pretty even-handed, considering the point of the story was to talk to gays about what it's like to be gay today. A biased article would include only one side of the argument. This article clearly presents both.

To answer your request, there will be no clarification. No one was misquoted, and no one was portrayed as "mean."

Regards,

Ron French
The Detroit News
52 posted on 08/11/2003 2:00:00 PM PDT by I still care
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To: vikingcelt
Your bored by this? Congratulations from the Human Rights Campaign (not all humans, mind)! That's just what they want. If they clobber Americans over the head with their "agenda" long enough, perhaps many will fall by the wayside. Those left standing can be dismissed as Christian fanatics or bigoted illiterates. I doubt it will take "many generations". Religion. Politics. Education. Media. They've got those, now all they need is for the rest of us to shut up and go away.
53 posted on 08/20/2003 10:44:26 AM PDT by ishabibble
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; scripter
"This is all part of their left-wing agenda to destroy the American family and the traditional values we hold dear."


Exactly. It's part of a well planned and well funded campaign that has been going on for years:


An excerpt from: In Their Own Words: The Homosexual Agenda:

"Homosexual activist Michelangelo Signorile, who writes periodically for The New York Times, summarizes the agenda in OUT magazine:

...to fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society's moral codes, but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution... The most subversive action lesbian and gay men can undertake --and one that would perhaps benefit all of society--is to transform the notion of family entirely." "Its the final tool with which to dismantle all sodomy statues, get education about homosexuality and AIDS into the public schools and in short to usher in a sea change in how society views and treats us."


An excerpt from: The Overhauling of Straight America:

"While public opinion is one primary source of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First, we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, and exposing hatred and inconsistency. Second, we can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the mighty pull of institutional Religion one must set the mightier draw of Science and Public Opinion (the shield and word of that accursed “secular humanism”). Such an unholy alliance has worked well against churches before, on such topics as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work again here..."


An excerpt from: Homosexual Priests: A Time for Truth:

"The homosexual movement has a history of trying to claw its way into places its agenda doesn’t belong, not for the betterment of mankind, but simply to legitimize and normalize perverse behavior. This is apparent in the all-too-common need of homosexuals to declare their sexuality rather than simply do the job they sign on to do.

The homosexual movement is marked by two major tendencies: the tendency to continually infiltrate all good aspects of society; and once they have achieved that, the tendency to destroy this good. Public education, the Boy Scouts, the military, and now the Catholic Church have been targeted, and all have been hurt by the effects of homosexuality. The media and the Church must break its silence towards this enemy. If they do not, the people themselves must rise up and expose it..."


The Homosexual Propaganda and Media Manipulation Game

What Homosexuals Say About Homosexuals - Is This Gay Behavior Sick?

Teaching Kindergarten Kids About 'Human Differences' and Homosexuality Isn't 'Easy' in Newton

Seven Steps to Recruit-proof Your Child



Choice4Truth

54 posted on 08/20/2003 10:47:18 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Post Toasties
Look. It basically goes this way.

The koran-based radical terrorists in the middle east in large part have disdain for America because they read in their Arabic press reports such as these, or see photos of American homosexuals or lesbians on religious altars getting 'married'.

Their disdain carries through to attacks on American interests, since (in their minds) we are 'decadent' and deserving of annihilation as unclean animals, and while this is not any kind of apologetic reasoning for that behavior, it DOES explain what they think about us and we can be damned sure the MORE we do decline as a society and appear corrupt to a large segment of the world, the more we can expect disdain and terrorist attacks. I draw a DIRECT correlation.

55 posted on 08/20/2003 11:02:33 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Jeff Gordon
"Maine Yankee in a Southern Military College "

You're not a Lord of Discipline, are you?

56 posted on 08/20/2003 11:55:26 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: new cruelty
When you're explaining something, use i.e., which is short for id est, or "that is." I can never remember the Latin, so I cheat here. "In essence" starts with the same letters.

Interesting... I've always remembered the meaning of e.g. by thinking of it as "example(s) given".

58 posted on 08/20/2003 12:28:25 PM PDT by Mackey
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To: pram
The homonazis can't be ignored any more...

The homo agenda...
...includes not only complete acceptance but also acceptance of homo-ness as asuperior way of life.
...makes little room for condemnation of pedophilia.
...does not openly admit that the gay lifestyle is clearly more dangerous and injurous than a heterosexual lifestyle.
...is worse than what it appears...they are coming after the children...they want to lower the age of consent.

59 posted on 08/20/2003 12:38:21 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Liberals...have a hormonal drive to run everything from a small committee in Washington,DC)
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To: Mackey
exempli gratia, which means "for the sake of example" in Latin.

I've always remembered the meaning of e.g. by thinking of it as "example(s) given".

exampli gratia - examples given

I think your way of remembering is much easier than remembering "for the sake of example" and is probably a better translation.

60 posted on 08/20/2003 12:38:29 PM PDT by new cruelty
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