MEASURABLE 14C IN FOSSILIZED ORGANIC MATERIALS: CONFIRMING THE YOUNG EARTH CREATION-FLOOD MODEL

http://www.icr.org/research/icc03/pdf/RATE_ICC_Baumgardner.pdf ^

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[ThinkPlease]

LOL. They don't and they aren't using trig, they're using physics and do not know all the variables. Sorry. The speed at which light moves is dependant upon the substance it is moving through and the resistance applied. Science has no idea what light from distant stars might be filtered through. It is thus impossible to determine distance. A duh moment here. Thus the distance becomes an argument of ideology - not a statement of fact. But that doesn't stop the ideologues from stating their screwups as facts.

You do not know of what you speak. It's trigonometry, plain and simple. The relationships involved are completely independent of the medium it passes through. Read the relavant posts before you pontificate. Your posts are looking increasingly ridiculous and paranoid.

[AndrewC]

I would be highly interested to hear why you thought it was.

Your other repeated statements that no explanation is an explanation need no comment. It is fairly easy to conclude that if the source of the "contaminant" cannot be something prevalent then the source of that "contamination" cannot be from something less prevalent barring any explanation as to why the less prevalent thing should be more prevalent in this case. Otherwise, it is the just-so story you are trying to push off.

Your following post can also be addressed. It is nice that they were able to extend the dating about another 30% but that still falls short of the 125% extension that would be needed to get to the limit of the AMS technique as stated in the paper of 90000 years.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up to your analysis!

[PatrickHenry]

Agreed. If the light from distant stars were being filtered through anything, then it would travel slower, not faster, so the suggestion that because we don't know what such light passes through would somehow allow for a faster lightspeed is nonsensical. Also, there is considerable knowledge of what such light travels through, and these observed distortions only verify the distance estimates otherwise determined by redshifts alone. Anyone can do a Google search on the expression "Lyman forest" for a decent explanation of this.

[SengirV]

Please look at my post #308 here and tell me how left controls the science of trigonometry that is used as basis for measuring distances to stars?

LOL. They don't and they aren't using trig

Wrong tough guy, trig was the system of choice for relatively close objects for centuries. Yes, it is true that last century we only had the technology to measure distances to about 100 light years. Then, up to 20 years ago it was only 500 light years. But now we have the technology that can measure angles to better than 10/1000ths of an arc second. Ever wonder how we can tell there are planets orbiting other stars? Because we can measure the stars wobble, down to a dozen meters, as they are perturbed by orbiting planets. That is why I CORRECTLY claimed the systems we use(trigonometry, Cepheid variable stars, Type 1a supernova) do in fact overlap, and we can tell distances accurately.

How come Noah didn't take any dinosaurs with him in the ark?

How do you know he didn't?

OK, lets try using logic again. Here is a non complete list of of one subclass of dinosaurs(Sauropods) - Anchisaurus,Thecodontosaurus ,Ammosaurus , Lufengosaurus ,Massospondylus,Mussaurus ,Plateosaurus,Euskelosaurus ,Melanorosaurus,Riojasaurus,Vulcanodon,Baraposaurus ,Cetiosaurus,Datousaurus , Haplocanthosaurus , Patagosaurus ,Rhoetosaurus ,Shunosaurus ,Brachiosaurus,Pelorosaurus ,Ultrasaurus,Camarasaurus ,Apatosaurus ,Barosaurus ,Diplodocus,Mamenchisaurus ,Supersaurus , Alamosaurus ,Antarctosaurus ,Hypselosaurus ,Saltasaurus ,Titanosaurus

Now lets look up some info on a couple of these bad boys - Brachiosaurus - 25 meters long, 70 tons; Diplodocus - 45 meters long, 30 tons; Titanosaurus - 20 meters long, 7 tons; Barosaurus - 25 meters long, 40 tons

And this is just a small subclass of dinosaurs. I'm guessing that the measurements for the ark in the bible are incorrect, in order to fit all these bad boys in there. But hte bible can't be incorrect. So the measurements must be correct, but if hte measurements are correct, how could Noah have taken all these sauropods, PLUS all the hundred of other species of dinosuars - DOES NOT COMPUTE!!!!

Sorry, but you are wrong on both counts.

[Terriergal]

But beating a Cold, Rational, Scientific Person over the head with the literal interpritation of Flood and Pre-Flood Creation will place a unneeded barrier between them and Jesus Christ.

Au contraire. Those facts all support salvation ... as Theophilus seemed to say. If those facts are not accurate, salvation is unnecessary anyway.

Many cold rational people *have* come to salvation after examining the facts or engaging in true philosophizing.

CS Lewis (once an atheist), Francis Schaeffer (once an agnostic), Don Bierle, etc...

But it only works if the heart is willing as well. If it is not, the lack of stumbling blocks in someone's path won't change it. Christ crucified is his own stumbling block to those who do not seek truth.

[Terriergal]

Oh... and of course the cold and rational, once won by the Truth, usually become some of the greatest Christian apologists.

[Terriergal]

I'm guessing that the measurements for the ark in the bible are incorrect, in order to fit all these bad boys in there.

I wonder how big they were when first hatched? And how fast they grew? Hm....

[Doctor Stochastic]

As light is filtered through anything (other than vacuous filtering through empty space), different frequencies move at different speeds. Thus one would see chromatic aberration if there were an ice canopy around Canopus.

[longshadow]

"Lyman forest" placemarker

[Terriergal]

Oh and ... given that even creationists believe in microevolution/adaptation, one wouldn't need to take every subspecies along either.

[js1138]

there there are MANY folks that call themselves 'Evolutionists' but do not PRACTICE their 'belief' by letting 'nature' take it's course [survival of the fittest] -- they go to doctor for 'cure'!

Oh please! Evolution (whether factually correct or not) is a description of what happens in nature. A description of process. You are suggesting that if astronomers detect a future asteroid impact, they (and we) should let nature take its course. I assume you are being sarcastic.

[BMCDA]

Heh! Are you sure that this is still microevolution? I'd rather call that hyper-evolution if you think that all these subspecies evolved in less than 6000 years from only a few specimen that were on the ark.

[BMCDA]

LOL!! I think I'm going now to practice my 'beliefs' in the theory of gravity and throw people off tall cliffs or buildings ;^D

[sakic]

The Institute for Creative Research has spoken.

[balrog666]

But the bible can't be incorrect.

Maybe cubits have been shrinking along with the speed of light?

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Let me be the first to suggest that "blowhard" is over the line.

[50sDad]

But it only works if the heart is willing as well. If it is not, the lack of stumbling blocks in someone's path won't change it.

This sounds vagely Calvanist to me. Predetermined to be saved?

[Lurking Libertarian]

Many cold rational people *have* come to salvation after examining the facts or engaging in true philosophizing. CS Lewis (once an atheist), Francis Schaeffer (once an agnostic), Don Bierle, etc...

C.S. Lewis was a theistic evolutionist.

[Right Wing Professor]

Let me be the first to suggest that "blowhard" is over the line.

Reply to an ad hominem by a poster who didn't sign the agreement.