Posted on 08/12/2003 9:17:08 PM PDT by scripter
But a great deal of it is not.
As to GRIDS. If homosexual behavior would stop so would the disease. The sexual perverts are the reservoir.
Why do you insist on calling it Grids?
The disease is overwhelmingly transmitted via heterosexuals in Africa so I kind of doubt that you're right.
Why do you insist on calling it Grids?
Because as a desriptive term, it is accurate.
The disease is overwhelmingly transmitted via heterosexuals in Africa so I kind of doubt that you're right.
Please read the following links. They're not from Dr. Paul Cameron, the Family Research Council, NewsMax or World Net Daily. They're from the Royal Society of Medicine, the British equivalent of the AMA:
Unsafe healthcare most common cause of African HIV
Anal sex is second most common cause of AIDS in Africa
According to Brody and Potterat, the fact that health warnings have avoided mentioning anal sex - despite its "substantially greater" risk of HIV transmission - may have contributed to the AIDS epidemic. Their research suggests that both men and women in Africa have receptive anal intercourse, often believing it to be 'safe' since it is not featured in public health education programmes ...
Rectal diseases similar to those found in American homosexual men have been reported in some studies of African men.
Receptive anal intercourse was reported by 98.7% of street boys in Tanzania, who said they weren't at risk from AIDS, because they thought you could only get it if you had sex with a woman.
The authors conclude that although unsafe medical practices probably caused most of the spread of HIV in Africa (see the March issue of International Journal of STD and AIDS), anal intercourse accounts for perhaps the majority of the remainder. Brody warns: "No one is warned about the dangers of anal intercourse, and people are dying as a result."
It doesn't even matter if you're not monogamous and not using a condom. As long as he doesn't engage in receptive anal intercourse or intravenous drug abuse, a heterosexual white male is more likely to contract breast cancer than HIV.
Some additional links on the subject:
Anal Sex Largest Cause of HIV in Africa
Sodomy: A Public Health Hazard
Anything But Gay: The Deadly and Dangerous Homosexual Lifestyle
Just the Facts: AIDS & the Homosexual Lifestyle!
The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: A Nine-Year Retrospective of Fear and (Mostly) Loathing
BTW, thanks for the additional links, the database has been updated.
Most impressive link you've ever sent me on this topic. The argument historically of it being homosexual rather than heterosexual never struck me as possible.
Transmission by anal sex seems much more viable as a possible explanation for a higher incidence in the homosexual community.
It will be hard to pin down exact cases by transmission category but at least this has a bit of logic behind it. I await further studies that either confirm or repudiate these findings. For now put me in the "Let's see" category.
In any case, it's nice to know that you've softened your position that AIDS is a homosexual disease. At least that's what I remember your position to be.
Actually I've read quite a bit about the evolution of the battle against what was first called GRIDS and then later AIDS. One of the books on the subject that I assume you hated (if you read it) even though it has a wealth of information on the subject is "And the Band Played On".
Female-to-male vaginal transmission of HIV is virtually nonexistent; male-to-female vaginal transmission of HIV is extremely rare. Both usually rely upon the existence of other STDs that compromise the immune system -- and, of course, the failure to use a condom.
I read it and have it, and thought it was full of information; I certainly didn't hate it. I also have and read After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990s by Kirk and Madsen, summarized here.
Actually, there are two or three things.
1. Some kids may be "essentially" (for lack of a better word) gay. Irving Bieber's work in the 1950's with numbers of gays and "conversion therapy", in which he tried to intervene with psychotherapy to help homosexuals work out whatever issues might have been contributing to their homosexuality, found that there was a fraction that responded to psychotherapy (confuting the modern gay psychiatrists, who promote essentialism as the "official" line of the American Psychiatric Association and American Psychological Association), and another fraction, about a third, that didn't respond at all, who might be denominated "essential", or "biological", gays.
2. Sexual ingenues can be educated to homosexuality. Gays brag about it in private, but assert the opposite on the record when the debate is on.
3. Some people don't have a solid psychological background (a.k.a. a "good upbringing") and so are available for homosexuality........or whatever you've got.
For a while after the fall of sound psychiatry on the subject in 1972, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual's third edition (DSM-III) carried a term, "ego-dystonic homosexuality", which meant homosexuality that caused suffering to the patient. This category has since been eliminated by the gay guardians of PC on the subject, the rationale being offered that, if only society would stop persecuting gays, they wouldn't suffer so. Substitute the words "murderers", "felons", "firebugs", "dipsomaniacs", or your other favorite outgroup here, and you can readily see where their logic leads -- and what I think of it.
A couple of points in reply:
1. The North Carolina stats cited here, and the linked article, show that in their state, AIDS is still overwhelmingly a gay disease, with dirty needles trailing behind as a second important route of propagation.
2. Dirty needles and sodomy are the keys. Heterosexual or homosexual anal sex is far and away the leading method of propagation -- even in Africa, as British researchers have just found out.
3. It is the lifestyle! Ergo, sanctions against the lifestyle, and measures to protect the rest of the population, are in order. Gays have fought against this basic idea of public hygiene for more than 20 years -- challenging the Texas sodomy law in 1981 in a forum-shopped federal district court (with a screaming McGovernite on the bench), even as the AIDS epidemic was breaking out. Dallas-area doctors tried to intervene in the case, but were tossed out on their ear by the Left-wing judge, assisted by a gay former president of the American Psychiatric Association, who testified for the gay appellants and against the doctors' brief.
All those dead people have become a hecatomb to the "right" of gays to indulge in the bathhouse scene undisturbed, to take boinking holidays afloat or in Haiti or on St. Bart's, and to transmit the disease to more of their fellow-gays and spread it out into the heterosexual community without putting up with any guff from the "retards" of society whom you just told in your #44 not to try to tell you anything about AIDS.
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