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1 posted on 08/14/2003 11:06:03 AM PDT by bedolido
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2 posted on 08/14/2003 11:07:39 AM PDT by danneskjold
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Give the government agents a little taste of the First Amendment!!
3 posted on 08/14/2003 11:07:59 AM PDT by coloradan
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In 2002, Waldo issued 6,539 tickets. For fiscal year 2001-02, traffic fines were 38.7 percent of the town budget and 105 percent of the police budget, according to AAA. Lawtey issued 5,257 tickets in 2002. Traffic fines accounted for 34 percent of the town budget and 98 percent of the police budget, AAA said.

Facts are facts. The tickets are the backbone profit center for the town and the police force. CONCLUSION: Waldo and Lawtey are speed traps. Congrats to AAA.

4 posted on 08/14/2003 11:11:27 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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In 2002, Waldo issued 6,539 tickets. For fiscal year 2001-02, traffic fines were 38.7 percent of the town budget and 105 percent of the police budget, according to AAA.

Lawtey issued 5,257 tickets in 2002. Traffic fines accounted for 34 percent of the town budget and 98 percent of the police budget, AAA said.

If the shoe fits....

5 posted on 08/14/2003 11:11:29 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: bedolido
On a related note, I just read the following piece in my local hometown rag.

I don't live in Battle Creek, but quite close. I think this idea is outrageous. Let me add, I have not had a ticket since the mid-70's, but the thought of these people running around like Barney Fife yelling "citizens arrest, citizen's arrest" ticks me off.

Police feel need for speed patrol
Citizen's Traffic Watch created

By Trace Christenson
The Enquirer

In yellow shirts and black and white cars, Battle Creek residents are fighting traffic violators.

A new program, the Citizen's Traffic Watch, began Wednesday night and will use volunteers to monitor traffic problems and notify drivers of violations.

Seventeen people, all graduates from the Battle Creek Police Department's Citizen Police Academy, have been trained to use radar and laser, police radios and in-car video recorders, according to Lt. James Saylor.

Beginning this week they will be sent out in teams of two to monitor traffic, both to collect information for city traffic engineers and to notify drivers of infractions.

Saylor said the teams will respond to traffic complaints from residents without assigning a uniformed officer.

"What it will do is get some things off their backs so they can concentrate on other problems," Saylor said.

Chief David Headings welcomed 13 of the volunteers Wednesday explaining that similar programs have been used successfully in eastern Michigan.

"I am not above stealing a good idea," he said. "I think it will be a success."

He said the program will allow officers to concentrate on other work and is especially important during this tight budget time.

The citizens will help determine if complaints about traffic violations are valid and if there is a need to send out an officer to begin writing tickets or to contact the city to consider a change in design of the intersection or street, said Max Phares, the city's traffic engineer.

He said people monitoring possible traffic problems will provide more information than counters, which can determine only the number of vehicles and their speed.

"To have eyes and ears makes it more personal," he said. "These people will be very important to me on the street. I will have a lot more information to base our decisions on."

Saylor said members of the team will be dressed in bright yellow shirts so they are not confused with police officers.

They will stay in their car, a black and white patrol car with special markings, recording information and not attempting to contact suspected violators.

Saylor said violators will have license plate numbers recorded, the time, date and location and type of violation and a description of the driver.

The registered owner of the vehicle then could be contacted by letter about the violation.

Saylor said in many cases notification that drivers have been spotted violating traffic laws could solve the problem. But officers could be used to write tickets if problems persist.

The new citizens' team also will be in charge of the SMART cart, which is a device to record and display speeds of approaching cars. It is moved about the city to allow motorists and neighborhood residents to see the speed of traffic.

Randy Potts, 32, and his wife, Marnie, 29, recently moved to Battle Creek from Utah and decided to help with the traffic unit after attending the Citizen Police Academy.

"Anytime I can support our community that is what I chose," Randy Potts said.

They expect to volunteer at least four to five hours a month.

Marnie Potts said several of their friends have asked about the program and after they hear the description, she said she always surprises them by saying: "You better watch out for us."

Trace Christenson covers crime and courts. He can be reached at 966-0685 or tchrist@battlecr.gannett.com

Originally published Thursday, August 14, 2003

12 posted on 08/14/2003 11:18:32 AM PDT by mombonn (¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)
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14 posted on 08/14/2003 11:21:33 AM PDT by mhking
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The issue, Smith said, is not revenue for the city coffers from speeding citations, but safety.

Then Smith should be happy. No doubt everybody is driving the speed limit now, or even better, staying out of his town completely. Less cars, less accidents.

15 posted on 08/14/2003 11:21:33 AM PDT by Wolfie
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Growing up in NY, I remember driving between Binghamton and Syracuse often. On several occasions I would see a young kid sitting on the side of 81 holding a sign that read "Speed Trap Ahead". And about a mile after the cops sitting in wait there was another young kid with a sign that read "Tips".
16 posted on 08/14/2003 11:21:33 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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In the latest salvo of an 8-year-old war with police Chief A. W. Smith...

Lest someone think that this is only been an issue for 8 years, the AAA and Waldo have been at it for years longer. I still vividly remember my speeding ticket in Waldo dating back to the 1980s. Highway 301 is 4 lane divided at 60 mph and goes around a sharp curve into Waldo at 35 mph where a radar car sits collecting green stamps. For non-Floridians, 301 is the main way that people above Tampa on the Gulf Coast get over to Jacksonville and points north. A real revenue stream for Waldo and Lawtey.

After paying the ticket and returning home I learned about AAA's battle and have been a member ever since!

17 posted on 08/14/2003 11:21:49 AM PDT by SES1066
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What's the Police Department's problem. The billboard has the effect of warning motorists of speed enforcement. The police have professed that their enforcement is strictly for safety. If that contention is true, then motorists will slow down through the speedtrap town and the police will have their safety. Sounds like a winning solution all around.
19 posted on 08/14/2003 11:23:14 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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Ironic. Waldo, Arkansas is also a speed trap. Watch out for Bradley and Lewisville, too.
22 posted on 08/14/2003 11:23:59 AM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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That stretch of road is a great shortcut to SW Florida, avoiding the hellish traffic on I-4 through Orlando.

I recommend the route--however, I warn ALL of my friends to SLOW down through those two towns.

23 posted on 08/14/2003 11:24:22 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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They (AAA) need to erect these signs in a couple of towns in Delaware.

Those speed traps are so bad the legislature actually introduced legislation to limit where certain town police forces were prohibitted from setting up radar.
24 posted on 08/14/2003 11:24:33 AM PDT by Gabz (anti-smokers - personification of everything wrong in this country.)
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Does anyone remember Ludowici Georgia?

At one time it was the worst speed trap in the country. It got so bad that Governor Lester Maddox put a billboard outside the town warning the public that the town was full of thieves and robbers. He finally got them to stop after threatening to literally abolish the town.

I understand the nearby town of Jesup was nearly as bad. Now both towns are probably better than average in not giving tickets.

BTW I have passed through Waldo and Lawtey several times and have seen cops giving out tickets each time. I simply do not believe the figure of 17 a day.

31 posted on 08/14/2003 11:31:25 AM PDT by yarddog
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Speed limits through Waldo range from 55 to 35 mph, except for school zone, which is the state minimum of 15 mph.

This is not quite true. The speed limit on 301 at Waldo changes from 45 to 55 at various places (there is a traffic light). The limit in "downtown" Waldo is 35, except for school zones.

But the real kicker is a 20 yard stretch of the 301 off-ramp, where the limit is 20 mph. I have never understood what they are thinking about unless this is the trap.

I'll be driving throught Waldo tomorrow evening. Done this a couple hundred time without a ticket so far.

36 posted on 08/14/2003 11:40:58 AM PDT by js1138
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There's another speed trap in Destin Florida. There's a bridge that arcs over the bay and the speed limit goes from 55 to 35 right at the crest of the arc. The police sit at the end of the bridge with a radar gun and nail you just as you pass the sign. It cost my wife $175 for the ticket and traffic school. It was her only ticket in over 20 years of driving.
41 posted on 08/14/2003 11:44:52 AM PDT by mbynack
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Since I travel through Waldo once or twice a year, I can understand their need for revenue from motorists. The town has a few fruit stands, rundown motels and assorted fast food joints. A thriving town, it is not. I've never gotten a ticket there because I was warned early on where the cops' favorite hiding places were and that 35 means 35.
42 posted on 08/14/2003 11:45:17 AM PDT by DeFault User
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This is not a new thing. Waldo and Lawtey have been known to the truckers for years, maybe decades as "speed traps". That said however, there are plenty of warning signs posted about the speed limit and the strict enforcement of same before you get into the towns. If you observe the speed limit, you have no trouble.

As an aside, I had my truck quit halfway out into US 301 in Waldo one night. The Waldo cop showed up, and was absolutely the nicest and most helpfull law enforcement officer of any sort I have ever dealt with. Even got me a much lower rate for the tow truck than I could have negotiated. The officer had a very good understanding about the job of truckers, but he has a job to do. And no, the towing co was not related to the guy.

I have since been through Waldo and Lawtey many times, and even had lunch with a couple of the officers at the local fast food joint. Both nice people.

Just watch your speed!

46 posted on 08/14/2003 12:08:30 PM PDT by wcbtinman
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The chief had the nickname " Lone Ranger ' and I beleive his son was an officer nicknamed " Silver " They were in cahoots and even owned a motel - restuarant in town ( Waldo ?? ) where they parked the cruisers while taking a break from nailing tourists heading south on 301 .
48 posted on 08/14/2003 12:13:54 PM PDT by Renegade
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Sounds like the city governors and their police want people to break their laws.
51 posted on 08/14/2003 12:24:42 PM PDT by fella
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