Russian "Sunburn" anti-ship missle threat neutralized...

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[Centurion2000]

Most dramatically, 16-inch precision-guided scramjet projectiles, which Pratt & Whitney experts have declared "feasible," could reach 500 miles in seven minutes

Incredible ...... we GOTTA have some of these in the sleeve.

[Paul Ross]

For long-range weapons, (as opposed to those tailored for CIWS) a linear rail gun can lob a shell at up to Mach 10...hypervelocity. It would be able to slam the projectile into targets at kinetic energy loads that would make the 16-inch shells look like popguns. That is not to say the old stuff is not worth doing as a bridge to the NEW BATTLESHIPS of the 21st century. But that is where we should be pointing our imagination. We can do this, and it makes good tactical sense. From range, rate of fire, accuracy and lethality...(it's speed, btw, would make it immune to tracking by our own laser-intercept capability) this concept is a winner. We need to be putting the real bucks into this, and bringing it expeditiously into fruition.

I don't oppose the old BBs sailing once more...we could use some of their unique capabilities. But we shouldn't do it just for old times sake. That can be a dangerous self-deception. I think we are in a dangerous time, more than most people can appreciate because their leaders tell them that all is well.

And we need to be preparing our forces for those possible scenarios which we are told could never happen...China attack the U.S.? "That's crazy...we would roast them in their own soy sauce"... or some such rot.

[SauronOfMordor]

If a SPY1 Aegis ship of an American or allied battle group is active, missles can be detected miles away. However, doing so makes the battle group's presense detectable from over 350 miles away. Thus, in many situations, the ships will only use passive sensors until they detect a threat.

The way radar works is by emitting a pulse of radio energy, and detecting any reflection of that pulse off of an object. It seems to me that if you had the emitter on an expendable vehicle (like an unmanned boat or flyer) and the ship knew the precise position of the emitter relative to the ship, the ship could stay passive and let the drone get all the unwelcome attention

[rmlew]

That is half of the value of the E-2C Hawkeye. It is a turboprop AWACS/AEW with a radar range of over 300 miles.

[rmlew]

There are conventional missles that could cause significant damage to an Iowa.
Teh 12 inch armour belt of the Iowas could be breached by a 1000kg warhead on a missle that flies at 3200 kph.
The Russian AS-6 Kingfisher is an air launched ASM with a range of 700km.

The Russian SS-N-3 Shaddock and SS-N-12 Sandbox are Ship launched ASM.
The SS-N-19 is carried on the Russian Oscars and Kirovs. It only carries a 750kg warhead, but could still do a lot of damage to any US ship.

[judywillow]

Worst possible case, such a weapon might flood one watertight compartment. You might want to read what it took to sink the Mushashi and Yamato.

[rmlew]

A 1000kg shaped charge warhead on a missle travelling at 3200kph and weighinh 3000kg, has greater penetrating force than a 16 inch shell. Remember that they armored deck of Iowa is at its thickest against plunging shells, not those hitting the sides. It is a difference of 12" and 6" or steel.
A Kelt, Kingfisher, or Shipwreck could destroy a capartment, including the machinery. 6 or more could effectively sink it.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Wouldn't just one Sunburn render the carrier useless until repaired? We don't want that, either.

[The Pheonix]

NEWSMAX Dr. Nemets claimed that China has deployed EMP bombs

and EMP bombs only need to explode near any carriers to do their damage ????? true ?

[Bobibutu]

That would take a carrier ... of course ICBM's and SLBM's would be striking the silos and cities of the country that just did that to us.



And if it were Al-Qaeda, Hamas or another stateless entity?

[hoax]

Protect Taiwan ? Whatever for ? The "democracy" in Taiwan is not worth saving. The recent election (if you have been following) is the biggest joke of the century. All these is happening while the "Chicoms" are enjoying 9 percent annual growth rates, and the masses in China are accumulating wealth as never before. I've lived in Shanghai, and the "commies" are no where to be found. Everyone goes about making money, and having a good time. "Democracy" or "communism", who cares. If the formula works, and if it enriches everybody's coffers, I'll buy it.

[judywillow]

Speed aside, the other threat the Sunburn poses is it's destructive force. The Sunburn skims the sea and pops up at the last seconds to slam down on the decks of ships. The combined speed and warhead payload would be devastating to all ships in the US arsenal.

Except for one, and that one should definitely be upgraded and maintained in fighting condition.

[broadsword]

The Iowa class BBs could take a full salvo from their 16-inchers on the sides of their hulls and stay afloat. Tough boats, those.

[bush_4_evah]

"In 10 scenarios, real Anti-Ship Missiles and supersonic Vandal target missiles (Mach 2.5) were intercepted and destroyed under realistic conditions. RAM Block 1 achieved first-shot kills on every target in its presented scenarios, including sea-skimming, diving and highly maneuvering profiles in both single and stream attacks."

"With these test firings RAM demonstrated its unparalleled success against today's most challenging threats. Cumulatively to date more than 180 missiles have been fired against anti-ship missiles and other targets, achieving a success rate over 95%"



has the RAM defence system sucessfully engaged an actual russian sunburn missiles? or only a NATO 'equivalent'. from what i've read about the sunburn, not only is it a dangerous weapon designed to defeat the Aegis defence, but it is a formidable missile in its own right. until we see RAM v. Sunburn in action, who's to say.

95% isn't that great either. doesn't that mean ~1/20 will get thru and sink something? what if iran fires 100? do 5 get thru? do raytheon say how many missiles they mean when they say "stream attacks"? did they reveal anything about the tactics they used.

there's an interesting story about the US wargames to prepare for war with iran. the red team threw everything they had at the blue team and enough got thru to sink 16 ships.

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1060102.php

[Jeff Head]

After all if it cost us 10 times as much to shoot down one of theirs we are on the wrong side of the lever.

Not when the platform you are defending costs many tens of thousands times the cost of both.