US Supreme Court refuses to block removal of Ten Commandments

Sean Hannity Show ^ | 8-20-03 | Sean Hannity

[Atlas Sneezed]

US Supreme Court refuses to block removal of Ten Ccommandments from Alabama courthouse.

[Steel Eye]

>>We are in a war against people that hate God, no matter what logical sounding arguments people use that is the crux of the matter.

>>People hate and are afraid of accountability to a higher power. They attack with a hate that those of us on the other side have difficulty understanding, and we need to wake up and realize it is a war.

I have noticed this. You can see it on this very thread. For those who choose not to believe in God, the thought that they might be wrong must be quite disconcerting. They must feel that they can bolster the validity of their choice by belittling those who choose differently... calling them Bible thumpers, fanatics, etc. Like liberals, they accuse the other side of doing what they themselves are doing.

I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt that a debate about the sixth or seventh amendments would bring on such a vigorous, self-righteous defense of their interpretation. And I'm pretty sure they would not be so condescending to, or disdainful of, those on the other side. In a way, it is rather amusing.

[Pagey]

I'll bet Hitlary Rotten and her (for show only) spouse are really happy about this one.


Well, it seems a perfect time for the
ALL TIME CHILLING QUOTE OF THE DAY :
"The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism,
but under the name of Liberalism
they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist Program
until one day America will be a Socialist Nation
without ever knowing how it happened----"

Comment courtesy of Norman Thomas,
Six-Time Socialist Party Presidential Candidate
and one of the Founders of the ACLU.

I suggest anyone of sound mind and body, go and repeat that to someone you love and gauge their reaction.Think about it for a moment---He's actually telling you how it's going to happen! Talk about being BRAZEN!

[Chuckster]

AN.

Congress shall make no law respecting AN establishment of religion.

It isn't a verbal, it's a noun.

Good catch. Still, it doesn't change the point of my post. To the Founders, "Establishment of religion" meant an official state church. Their intent was to prevent the US from following the custom of the time as in England where membership in the official state church, the Church of England, was required by law under certain circumstances and where legal decisions or an individual's or group's status under the law could be based on church membership.

[rwfromkansas]

Could you ever come up with anything original except "separation of church and state" you idiots scream with no historical support for such a separation?

[rwfromkansas]

of course.....liberals love separation of church and state.

Why don't you go to DU?

[Catspaw]

updated August 20, 5:25 p.m.
Arrests Begin at Monument Showdown

The U.S. Supreme Court is refusing to block the removal of the Ten Commandments monument from the Alabama Judaical Building and a showdown is brewing at the building.

Protestors have been arrested in the Alabama Judicial Building.  Early reports indicate 11 people have been arrested so far and at least one man had to be dragged away from the area.

The court rejected a last-minute appeal from Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore who is facing a Wednesday deadline to remove the granite monument.

For now, the U.S. Supreme Court's justices have decided not to be drawn into the dispute over whether or not the monument violates the Constitution's ban on government promotion of religion.

Judge Moore had wanted the U.S. Supreme Court to issue a stay and prevent the removal of the monument. Moore told CBS's "The Early Show" that the issue was "the acknowledgment of God." Moore has repeatedly stated he is upholding the Alabama Constitution.

Moore has stated earlier, he will not move the monument, but other state officials including Attorney General Bill Pryor have stated the monument may be moved. Pryor told the Mobile Register the monument would be "removed soon." Pryor also stated in a letter to Alabama House Minority Leader Jim Carns that Moore's attorneys did not follow standard procedures in the case.

Pryor also stated in his letter that "I also will vigorously defend those state officials who exercise their authority under state law to ensure compliance with the federal injunction.  I fully expect that I will be called to fulfill that duty soon, and I am hopeful that the State will avoid paying fines from taxpayer funds for the refusal of the Chief Justice to follow court orders."

[Havoc]

If you don't have separation of church and state (a phrase that I believe was first attributed to Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence and was heavily involved in the drafting of the Bill of Rights), then the establishment clause will become meaningless and unenforceable.

Bull. The establishment clause denies the Fed the ability to force you to follow a certain religion. Absence of the notion of separation imposed by fiat as it has been does no damage to the constitution or our rights.

As for your last sentence, it would be a complete, unmitigated disaster for the rule of law -- and a violation of his oath to uphold the federal and Alabama constitutions -- for the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court to take that position.

No, it would not. No more than it was the last time tyrants tried to supplant the constitution with their will. This has been done before in our country's history and we have the example of the forefathers to look to. This isn't about the rule of law. It's about the unruly nature of men who abuse the law in order to disabuse us of our rights. The law isn't what is done harm, it is the men who abuse it that are done appropriately with. The constitution and our Bill of Rights trump law, not the other way around. If a law is in contention or an interpretation is in contention, then one or both by default must yield to the Constitution. Try selling the unbearable damage story elsewhere.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Regarding your post to yourself, oh and the points you were quoting were quite brilliant I might add, I respectfully disagree. The time of bowing and scraping before the Federal courts is over. Not only has Moore and Keyes had it, America has had it.

[Southack]

"My "wild-eyed claim" was talking about the time of the Founders. If you think you can contradict that, have at it."

A tough thing to do due to logistics, since cameras hadn't been invented at the time of our Founders, as well as due to the fact that the Supreme Court didn't get its own building for about a Century and a half AFTER our Founders' time.

But doable, nonetheless. Yes, biblical inscriptions were displayed in the locations used by our Supreme Court even in our Founders' time, as is documentable by the Liberty Bell, which hung in Independence Hall, one of the early homes of our SCOTUS.

"Despite its role as a coequal branch of government, the Supreme Court was not provided with a building of its own until 1935, the 146th year of its existence. Initially, the Court met in the Merchants Exchange Building in New York City. When the national capital moved to Philadelphia in 1790, the Court moved with it, establishing Chambers first in Independence Hall and later in the City Hall."

"As it was to commemorate the Charter's golden anniversary, the quotation "Proclaim Liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof," from Leviticus 25:10, was particularly apt. For the line in the Bible immediately preceding "proclaim liberty" is, "And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year." What better way to pay homage to Penn and hallow the 50th year than with a bell proclaiming liberty?

Also inscribed on the Bell is the quotation, "By Order of the Assembly of the Province of Pensylvania for the State House in Philada."

[Sangamon Kid]

With all my devotion to the Union and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to make up my mind to raise my hand against my relatives, my children, my home. I have therefore resigned my commission in the Army, and save in defense of my native State, with the sincere hope that my poor services may never be needed, I hope I may never be called on to draw my sword... - Robert E. Lee

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Excellent quote. We are like a frog in lukewarm water, slowly being brought to a boil. America is waking up. The confusion of that wakeup call can be seen on this thread. This is history. We might not be in Alabama in body, but we are there in spirit. Everyone, PRAY FOR THEM! FReegards....

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Post 429 is not lacking in brain matter in any way, I thought I'd point out. =]

[SedVictaCatoni]

I agree with you. Federal appointees makes it a federal level matter - meaning US wide vote. That's the way I'd look at it. Anybody here know the actual process for impeaching federal judges.

It's the same as impeaching the President. The House brings articles of impeachment, and then the trial is in the Senate.

[Sangamon Kid]

I know of another notorious figure who was willing to put others into harm's way while remaining at a safe distance. . . .

You're not talking about George Bush, are you?

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Your criticism of Moore is premature. We haven't seen midnight yet. This is just the beginning.

[rwfromkansas]

Normally I would agree.

But I have had it.

It is time to say screw the courts.