Posted on 08/21/2003 1:17:48 PM PDT by Mick2000
If you are able to find someone to read Arne's posts for you, he or she will explain that Arne did not say working class white males were not welcome in the GOP. He said they were not welcome in the democrat party. Here it is again...
you're all closet nanny-state entitlement monkeys that the Democrat Party kicked out because you are too white, male, Christian and obnoxious.
What Arne said was that illiterate xenophobic Luddites were not welcome in the GOP.
OK! OK! I added the illiterate part, but Arne is really being too kind when he leaves out the illiterate part.
That is why I hate debating Paleos...I gotta explain the meaning of the polysyllabic words and use simple sentence structures or they become confused.
No. As Arne pointed out you have many like-minded brothers in the 'rat party.
There are people who value their culture, value the constituion and value stability, they are not anti military isolationists that some self described "Paleos" are.
Yes. They are called Neo-Cons...or just Republicans.
I reject the notion that Wallace Democrats gave us 54 seats in the House and nine seats in the Senate in 1994.
The brutal truth is you vastly overestimating the power of the fringe right wing. Like the Greens, Paleos are 3%-5% of the voting population. The reason their posts are widespread on FR is because they have lots of time on their hands while they collect their workman's comp and/or unemployment checks.
The 3rd party Paleos never vote Republican, so they can whine about our country with a clean conscience and say "I didn't vote for this President. It is not my fault." They have done nothing for this country except give Republicans a bad name and elect 'rats.
Yes because you might be an elite. Look at countries like Mexico where 10% of the population is actually doing very very well. I think I'll always have a job ---- but it's not really about a handful of people doing well, what makes this country different than a third world country was having a very large middle class that was doing pretty well. If we care about America, we have to care about the average American, the Founding Fathers did that --- they could easily have set up an aristocracy and become the aristocrats, but they had a greater vision.
Some people don't realize that the country club set doesn't have the votes to elect someone on their own. Yes they need the people who must work for a living.
People who want large welfare programs are Democrats, people who want only to work for a living and be middle class are Conservatives. Wanting jobs isn't democrat.
Either the government has to downsize itself dramatically and lower the tax burden (and somehow lower the cost of education) or we need some form of protectionism. Granted the best course would be for the government to downsize itself... but we all know that isn't going to happen anytime soon... if ever. So your points are correct from a ideological and theoretical viewpoint... but wrong when you consider current reality. Now.... if you really just don't care if America becomes similiar to a third world nation with just two classes (rich like you and poor) than certainly continue to hold you position. Don't come crying to use though when the majority poor votes in out and out socialism. We won't shed a tear for you... because you didn't give a damn about us.
Now that compact has been broken. The rich have become too greedy, corrupt and selfish and they have thrown away their duties to the middle class. The middle class has to decide what to do before they become the poor. Societies go through these sorts of cycles.... boom and bust. People take things to far, they push the envelope and a correction always occurs. That correction may simply be the rise of midde class politics (most middle classers have just been fixated on sports and have been sheep) or a tidal wave of change that will end up with a socialist America... revolution. Revolutions occure for a reason. Look at history. When the elite abuses their power and pushes the intelligentsia to far... soemthing happens. It isn't the poor that forces change. It's the intelligent poor/formally middle class. Abuse them at your own risk.
Since when do conservatives agree with the likes of Ted Turner? Maybe you are a DU plant?
Yall have delievered the nation to the marxists and yall were to stupid to even know it.
Is that what your neighbor's dog has been telling you again? Sorry to bother your troubled mind. I'll let you get back to collecting your urine in jars and surgically removing the extraterrestrial implant in your thumb.
Even the Gore democrats know that the Greens cost them the election by not voting for Gore --- who still came very uncomfortably close to winning. The Paleos (Conservatives) stuck with the party unlike the Greens who decided third party was the way to go. I don't know if the Greens will continue to grow or reunite with the Democrats in the next election. I guess the Greens would still be called a fringe party --- but the democrats did learn not to underestimate the power of taking their candidate's votes.
Let us say you are correct. Let us say they proved that the 'rats can't count on the green vote. Has the rat party grown stronger in anyway to because of Dubyas 2000 win? Not according to the 2002 elections, and it seems very likely that Dubya will win again in 2004. Now do you think the Greens are happy that they made their point? I know Paleos see no differenece between Dubya and Gore. But Republicans and rats sure do. If I was a 'rat I would not consider Greens to be my allies.
Right now I smile when I see Nader. I like Greens taking votes from rats. The 'rats love Paleos and the media will attempt to play them to their discontent as much as they can. possible.
I don't know if they are --- they might be. They at least know they can't be completely ignored --- and what was interesting, Gore tried to paint himself as a big tree hugger but still lost the Green vote. I'm not sure Nader's group has grown closer to the democrats or if they're further gone. The democrats probably can't win without them ----- although Gore did come very uncomfortably close. I think it shows why the Republicans shouldn't be telling the unemployed middle class to get lost or go vote for a democrat.
The GOP ain't what is claims to be. The neocons are in control.
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