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Just Child's Play? Parents re-thinking letting kids play war games
Fox News ^ | Thursday, August 21, 2003 | Amy C. Sims

Posted on 08/21/2003 2:39:59 PM PDT by Skooz

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:37:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NEW YORK — The sight of a child holding a toy gun can strike fear in a parent's heart, but many moms and dads are re-examining their attitude toward children's war-related play.

With toy store shelves taking on a decidedly camouflaged look and America engaged in ongoing military conflicts, parents are grappling with whether or not to allow kids to act out war scenarios and how to talk to them about real military actions.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: boys; childhood; childrenandwar; play; toyguns; toys
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1 posted on 08/21/2003 2:39:59 PM PDT by Skooz
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To: Skooz; All
Saki: The Toys of Peace
2 posted on 08/21/2003 2:41:28 PM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: Skooz
You forgot the barf alert.
3 posted on 08/21/2003 2:42:34 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: Skooz
Just went to check on my kids - they were engaged in various war-related role-playing, involving lots of different kinds of weapons - from swords to mock winchester rifles to futuristic laser devices.

This article was a welcome reminder to stock up on more violent toys before the nitwits in charge get around to banning them all.
4 posted on 08/21/2003 2:43:52 PM PDT by mrjeff
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To: Skooz
More granola munching pussification. Humans are predators. Get over it.
5 posted on 08/21/2003 2:44:30 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: mrjeff
You know, when I was a kid I had a massive collection of GI Joes, model airplanes (WW2 military), and thousands of those little HO scale army men with weapons galore. I never hurt anybody. I'm normal. I don't kill people. What gives?
6 posted on 08/21/2003 2:47:16 PM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: Skooz
Yeah, kids shouldn't play games like this, they should just play Postal on the computer. Heh.
7 posted on 08/21/2003 2:50:05 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: Skooz
This would be fine if agreed to by Palistinian parents, Taliban parents, Terrorist parents, drug cartel parents, Communist parents, etc, etc, etc.

As a uni-lateral change in policy, it dooms our kids to be unprepared for a dangerous world.

8 posted on 08/21/2003 2:50:10 PM PDT by C210N
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To: mrjeff
or buy violent toy stock!
9 posted on 08/21/2003 2:51:21 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Skooz
Both my kids are into the camouflage army gear. They have matching camo-plastic machine guns and for a thrill I bought each of them one of those keychain-bullets which they keep attached to their camies.

My son keeps asking for a sniper rifle. Not until he's six...

*evil grin*

10 posted on 08/21/2003 2:51:46 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Skooz
“Because for a little boy, watching tanks blow things up is exciting.”

And what of the adult little boys (AKA, Men)? ;-)

11 posted on 08/21/2003 2:54:50 PM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: RoughDobermann
We are not adult little boys - our interests naturally turn to the educational aspects of destructive physics.
12 posted on 08/21/2003 2:56:20 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine ("what if the hokey pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
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To: Skooz
If they ban toy guns, then kids will use sticks.

If they ban sticks, then kids will use fingers.

If they ban fingers, then they're just plain stupid.

13 posted on 08/21/2003 2:59:15 PM PDT by George Smiley (Is the RKBA still a right if you have to get the government's permission before you can exercise it?)
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To: Skooz
When I was a kid many years ago all we played were war games and bad guy games and cowboys and Native Americans(sorry,I couldnt resist that)

We didn't turn out violent and neither did our kids and all with psuedo violent games in their background.

Lighten up,it's gets the aggression out of the boys.

14 posted on 08/21/2003 2:59:34 PM PDT by Mears (J)
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To: Skooz
When I was a kid my friends and I spent our summer playing war games. There were plenty of army toys available from gernade launchers to walkie talkies to greeny stickup caps.
It didn't screw me up (as far as you know) I got my exercise, burned off energy and grew out of it when I discovered girls.
15 posted on 08/21/2003 2:59:40 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: Caipirabob
My 9 year old boy started training with firearms at the age of 7. He and his siblings will continue to train as long as they remain under my roof.
16 posted on 08/21/2003 3:00:53 PM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: Skooz
I have to say that I agree...
My children are now 8, 10, and 12.
Last year, I took the two youngest kids' toy guns away, and got out the BB gun...if they are going to pretend to shoot someone, then they're gonna' learn how to shoot.
Nothing disturbs me more than driving past a playground or schoolyard and seeing a bunch of kids playing "war". Maybe 50% of those kids look like they know how to properly handle a weapon.
When it cools down, I'm gonna' start them on a bow.
17 posted on 08/21/2003 3:01:09 PM PDT by baltodog
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To: dd5339; Vic3O3; Terriergal; Raven6
Start em' early, teach em' right...

Hey Raven! Any helpful hints???
18 posted on 08/21/2003 3:05:35 PM PDT by cavtrooper21 (The only thing criminals will get from me is a .45 bullet or cold steel... Their choice.)
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To: Skooz
"Let’s make it your magic wand...”

I got yer magic wand right here, lady...

19 posted on 08/21/2003 3:08:04 PM PDT by TomServo ("Cinematography by Zapruder.")
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To: Skooz
Let me have my toys.


20 posted on 08/21/2003 3:08:10 PM PDT by 4mycountry (Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected become the expected?)
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To: Skooz
"Just Child's Play? Parents re-thinking letting kids play war games"

We are just so sensitive, aren't we? I'll probably lay awake tonight worrying about this. (NOT) What I'll really worry about is what another poster described as the "pussification of America."

21 posted on 08/21/2003 3:13:06 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: 4mycountry
I want one of those for Christmas.
22 posted on 08/21/2003 3:13:30 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: No Truce With Kings
Get in line, buddy.

KB Toys is selling them in September. I'm getting one or someone dies.
23 posted on 08/21/2003 3:16:59 PM PDT by 4mycountry (Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected become the expected?)
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To: Skooz
What give is the culture-benders are full of cr*p and the complicit media is too clueless to know. Playacting is harmless fun for kids.

btw, i grew up just like you. I had a whole napoleanic army of 1-100 scale soldiers, quite the war-gamer.
24 posted on 08/21/2003 3:17:39 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: 4mycountry
"Get in line, buddy.

KB Toys is selling them in September. I'm getting one or someone dies."

I'm sure there will be enough for everyone. Profit. It's a GOOD thing.
25 posted on 08/21/2003 3:18:42 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: Skooz
“They make guns out of everything and sticks will easily turn into swords," said the San Diego, Calif., resident. "I try to be low-key about it, but will definitely curb them away and come up with something besides a gun, saying, ‘Let’s make it your magic wand.”

I gotcha magic wand right here, lady.

26 posted on 08/21/2003 3:18:55 PM PDT by boris (Education is always painful; pain is always educational.)
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To: Skooz
Oh, and All Your Magic Wand Are Belong to Us!
27 posted on 08/21/2003 3:19:25 PM PDT by boris (Education is always painful; pain is always educational.)
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To: Skooz
Here's my 'magic wand';it makes vermin go away


28 posted on 08/21/2003 3:19:55 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: TomServo
"I try to be low-key about it, but will definitely curb them away and come up with something besides a gun, saying, ‘Let’s make it your magic wand.”

Yeah, let's teach them to be a bunch of faries. Poor kids. They'll have a tough life in the public school system...

30 posted on 08/21/2003 3:23:53 PM PDT by Possenti
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To: 7th_Sephiroth
It's not that they don't want kids to be kids. They just don't want kids to be boys, or to grow up into men.

Gum

31 posted on 08/21/2003 3:25:07 PM PDT by ChewedGum ( http://king-of-fools.blogspot.com)
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To: WOSG
When I was growing up I played all kinds of war games, cowboys and indians, and all kinds of super heroes; I had a big arsenal of toy weapons, soldiers, tanks, planes, etc. Both my boys were raised the same way and I loved it. They loved it even more.
32 posted on 08/21/2003 3:25:27 PM PDT by gedeon3
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To: Skooz
It's funny; i grew up playing war, with GI Joe's, toy guns, etc. Joined the Military, played with real guns and it wasn't as fun. I think because I had to clean it.
34 posted on 08/21/2003 3:42:24 PM PDT by bethelgrad (for God, country, and the Corps OOH RAH!)
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To: Possenti
"I try to be low-key about it, but will definitely curb them away and come up with something besides a gun, saying, ‘Let’s make it your magic wand.”

Yeah, let's teach them to be a bunch of faries. Poor kids. They'll have a tough life in the public school system...

Response to be expected from most kids:

OK, mommy, it's a magic wand. And it goes, Bang!, Bang!, Bang!

35 posted on 08/21/2003 3:49:21 PM PDT by Bob (http://www.TomMcClintock.com)
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To: 45Auto
I hope you have a Concealed Magic Wand License for that.

My magic wand is hanging above my desk. It is a 7mm bolt action magic wand. Those Germans sure did make a fine magic wand.
36 posted on 08/21/2003 3:49:21 PM PDT by azcap
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To: Skooz
If games are war-specific, it’s evidence children are paying too much attention to the news, said John Broughton, associate professor of psychology and education at Teachers College Columbia University
 
Does that mean that when I was running around the backyard in 1983, shooting all the neighbor kids, I was really trying to cope with my pre-pubescence fears about the Invasion of Grenada? - Hardly - I was fighting Nazis, and Japs, and Rebels (sorry but I was born a Yankee.)
    The reason liberals hate playing war ( or teaching real history) is that there are good guys and bad guys. Moral relatavists aren't allowed to play in my backyard.

37 posted on 08/21/2003 3:58:14 PM PDT by azcap
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“They make guns out of everything and sticks will easily turn into swords," said the San Diego, Calif., resident. "I try to be low-key about it, but will definitely curb them away and come up with something besides a gun, saying, ‘Let’s make it your magic wand.”

What other invention allows anybody holding it to affect something of the holder's choosing at a distance (almost) instantaneously? Tell me that ain't magic.

38 posted on 08/21/2003 4:03:36 PM PDT by pa_dweller (This space left blank intentionally)
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To: Skooz
I used to have a battle ground set up in a swampy area in the back yard with plastic army men and various GI Joe military equipment which would be blown up with various fireworks and improvised explosives. Good clean fun.
39 posted on 08/21/2003 4:06:43 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Caipirabob
Where did you get the camo, or any kind of machine gun. There are no toy guns for sale here in Maine....I have looked.
40 posted on 08/21/2003 4:22:53 PM PDT by mlmr (Today is the first day of the rest of the pie.)
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To: mlmr
Hi, we have one of those army/navy surplus stores. We found the guns at a dollar-store of all places! I couldn't believe it myself.The fatigues were expensive, but they use them a lot.

Here's some good toy gun sites:

Hobbytron

www.kitestailstoys.com

41 posted on 08/21/2003 4:47:36 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: George Smiley
Hey, a NJ school already banned fingers and a stupid judge upheld it.
42 posted on 08/21/2003 5:05:19 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib
Oh God this is bringing back memories of my toys.
Let's see
Gi Joes
Militarly Micro Machines.
Toy, Swords, Guns.
Many sticks.
Of course I "matured".
The toys are better.
43 posted on 08/21/2003 5:17:05 PM PDT by John Will
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To: Caipirabob
Thank you for the links
44 posted on 08/21/2003 5:35:31 PM PDT by mlmr (Today is the first day of the rest of the pie.)
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To: Skooz
Let. If my parent's didn't let me, I would have done it anyway.
45 posted on 08/21/2003 5:37:06 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Boom Boom! Out go the lights!" - Pat Travers)
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To: Skooz
Funny thing is, you can give a boy only the most peaceful toys, and he'll still figure out a way to play war with them. Its just in a normal boy's nature.
46 posted on 08/21/2003 7:30:47 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Skooz
If mom had only taken away my little green Army men. I would most likely be hanging curtains for a living instead of the Army.
47 posted on 08/21/2003 7:34:38 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk
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To: Skooz
Every seven year old should receive a Daisy Red Ryder, and instruction on how to use it.
48 posted on 08/21/2003 7:44:53 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (BULLDOZE AL AQSA!)
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To: Newbomb Turk; rageaholic
I had those little green army men and also the 12" size GI Joes. If only my folks hadn't tossed all that stuff out, today it might be worth a tidy little sum....
49 posted on 08/21/2003 8:14:36 PM PDT by John Frum
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To: gedeon3
Yup, every kid should be able to grow up free of the weenified "experts" who really don't know their head from their third point of contact.

That's not to say kids shouldn't enjoy educational stuff - fireworks, chemistry sets, electronics (Boys book of..) etc. Building forts, climbing trees, magnifying glass, microscopes, telescopes, BB-Guns, later real firearms once they show and understand responsibility..

Litigation, pole smokers and other subversives have pretty much taken all the fun out of being a kid in a lot of ways. I doubt they even sell chemistry sets anymore. Considering just about every invention worth a damn was crufted together in somebody's garage, it's scary.

Don't forget Johnny Horton on 45 RPM, good books (pre 70's Scholastic Book Services were pretty good) etc.

"Runaway Robot" by Lester Del Ray was my favorite as a kid.
50 posted on 08/21/2003 9:50:12 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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