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Scheming left-wing lawyers disenfranchising the military - AGAIN?! [CA recall]
Monterey Herald, various ^ | Aug. 23, 2003 | DAN LAIDMAN

Posted on 08/23/2003 3:48:40 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

The background:
Posted on Wed, Aug. 20, 2003
RECALL REVIEW

Justice Department still assessing Monterey County's consolidation of precincts

The U.S. Department of Justice on Tuesday approved Oct. 7 as an acceptable date for California's recall election, but federal officials are still reviewing whether Monterey County can reduce the number of polling places and whether Proposition 54 can be on the ballot, a department spokesman said.

The decision is one step toward cementing Oct. 7 as the recall election date, but it is not the final word. The Justice Department's Office of Civil Rights has yet to decide on two voting rights issues raised in federal lawsuits currently before the courts.

Monterey County, which has a special designation under federal law because of a history of low minority voter turnout, remains at the center of the legal battles.

"At this point we are in the same holding pattern we were in last week," Monterey County Counsel Charles McKee said Tuesday.

The Justice Department decision on Tuesday approves a request submitted Aug. 4 by California's elections chief to set the statewide recall vote for Oct. 7. The state had to make the request because of the special status of Monterey and three other counties. Any changes to elections in the counties require federal approval to avoid addition of any barriers to minority voters.

"We have pre-cleared the setting of the date for the gubernatorial recall election," said Jorge Martinez, a Justice Department spokesman based in Washington, D.C.

However, the Justice Department has yet to weigh in on two other issues that could affect the recall date. U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel threatened to delay the Oct. 7 election after hearing the two voting rights lawsuits last Friday, one of which has several Monterey County activists as plaintiffs.

Until the case is resolved, Fogel ordered Monterey County to cease certain election preparations, including the mailing of hundreds of absentee ballots to overseas voters. The next hearing is scheduled for Aug. 29.

The lawsuits contend that Monterey County's decision to consolidate its precincts and to hire fewer Spanish-speaking poll workers could disenfranchise minority voters and therefore requires pre-clearance from the Justice Department.

"That matter is still under review," Martinez said. "We have to look at what the proposed plan is and whether the proposed changes will deny or abridge the right to vote based on race, color or membership in a language minority group."

The lawsuits also target Proposition 54, a statewide initiative that would bar California from collecting most racial data. The initiative, essentially aimed at eliminating affirmative action, originally was scheduled for a vote next March, but was moved up when the recall qualified and created an earlier statewide election. Opponents say the shortened campaign timeline could affect voter turnout.

The Justice Department is also still reviewing the inclusion of Proposition 54 on the October recall ballot, Martinez said.

"We need more information and clarification from the state," he said.

The California Secretary of State's Office is working with the Justice Department to obtain pre-clearance on the inclusion of Proposition 54, said Hallye Jordan, spokeswoman for the state Attorney General.

Representatives of the groups that filed the lawsuits said Tuesday they were still hoping to get Proposition 54 pushed back.

"We're glad that the Justice Department would still consider not pre-clearing it in order to give voters more time to digest this very confusing initiative," said J.C. Flores, spokeswoman for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund in Los Angeles.

MALDEF filed one of the lawsuits along with local activists William Melendez, Aurelio Salazar and Juan Martinez. The other lawsuit was filed by the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights.

Diane Schachterle, coordinator for Proposition 54, said lawyers affiliated with the measure were monitoring the situation. She said she did not understand how Proposition 54 could be singled out without the entire recall ballot being put into question.

"If it's unfair for the community to vote on one issue, doesn't it follow that it would be unfair for them to vote on the entire election?" she asked.

Phil Paule, director of Rescue California, one of the groups leading the recall effort, said Tuesday he was confident the election would take place on Oct. 7 as scheduled.

"We feel that we will prevail in all the pending legislation still out there," he said. "I feel that the elections officials in Monterey County have the capability of conducting an election that will allow every voter to vote."

Dan Laidman can be reached at 646-4346.


FYI What happened? Federal officials said California can hold its recall election Oct. 7. Will the election happen then? Probably. What could change? Two federal voting rights lawsuits, one rooted in Monterey County, still could change the ballot or delay the election.



 
This is how interested our mainstream press is in the possibility that the military may once more be disenfranchised by shysters and cheats....this time in California:
 
Google search:
 
Searched English pages for "Judge Fogel",absentee Results 1 - 8 of about 16.
 
They aren't.
 
This is what the left is up to:
Election Law     Rick Hasen's web log (blog)
 
Monday, August 18, 2003
 
The other federal lawsuit While we are waiting to see what happens with the ACLU case here in Los Angeles (I'll be teaching, and unfortunately unable to attend the hearing), don't forget about the other TRO issued by Judge Fogel, which apparently will enjoin sending any absentee or overseas ballots in Monterey until the Department of Justice in Washington DC grants preclearance. A reporter told me that a Justice Department person told him it could be at least a couple of weeks before that happens. If that is true, it is hard to see the election coming off on October 7.


posted by Rick 1:03 PM
 
Is  someone in the US DOJ is scheming with the left to prevent the recall election, or to prevent the absentee ballots from getting to the military on time (just as AG Ashcroft set out on his tour to sell the Patriot Act, a dopey appeasement of the domestic terrorists)?
 
Another viewpoint from another legalese-blogger:

Thursday, August 21, 2003

"Judge rebuffs ACLU bid to push vote to March; Ruling turns away concerns over punch-card ballots": Bob Egelko has this report in today's issue of The San Francisco Chronicle.

In response to my post yesterday about how the
Ninth Circuit's ruling on appeal could very well depend on which three judges are assigned to hear and decide the case, a recent former law clerk to a Ninth Circuit judge today emailed to observe:

Because it's a preliminary injunction appeal, it will in all likelihood be heard by a motions and screening panel. This month's panel consists of Chief Judge Schroeder and Judges Hawkins and Tashima. They can, of course, kick it to the next available merits panel, but by then it might be too late.
Of course, if the appeal is not taken until next month, presumably the composition of the motions and screening panel will change. The current panel is neither the most liberal nor the most conservative panel that could have been drawn from the judges serving on that court, although I think that most would rank the panel left of center. Circuit Judge Michael Daly Hawkins participated in my Web log's "20 questions for the appellate judge" feature in June 2003, and you can access his interview at this link.
 
ALOHA RONNIE posted this important warning here, along with more detail about Judge Fogel:
 
.."No Recall" Judge FOGEL = Friend of CLINTON "No Under God Pledge" Judge REINHARDT..

...Judge JEREMY D. FOGEL has also stopped the mailing out of Military Members' Racall Ballots overseas until he makes his final Recall ruling in 2 weeks, the 1st Killing of Military Ballots since the Year 2000 Florida Election that prompted our nationwide 'SORE-LOSERMAN' Freep Demonstrations that saved this Country.

Hey, San Jose, Time to Freep..???


 
I'm no legal expert, but this whole thing stinks. Does anyone believe that there is ANY real point to Judge Fogel's holding the absentee ballots except to prevent the military from voting in an October recall election?
 
There is NO proof of any disenfranchisement based on punch cards or poll locations from the Florida 2000 election in spite of the slanderous accusations, the Fla. AG Bob Butterworth's (Gore's Fla. campaign manager, loser in the 2002 election) inquisition of Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris.
 
There IS proof that LEGITIMATE military ballots were thrown out in 2000 because of a dishonest 'legal' memo written by Democratic operative-lawyer Mark Herron, not based on Florida State law, inaccurately telling poll workers in Florida counties which military ballots should be disqualified.
 
Time for a pre-emptive strike against these American citizens who would dare steal the vote from those risking their lives for us? Then to play the inflammatory race card during these sensitive times just to hide their anti-military scheming - and to top it off, to claim once more "EVERY VOTE COUNTS".

This Judge will decide by Aug. 29. The DOJ hasn't weighed in. WE certainly can.

Americans will NOT stand for OUR military being disenfranchised - not again! Not during wartime!

It's time to defend the troops on the homefront from America's enemies within.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; doj; militaryvote
In the past month in Iraq:
 
Aug. 21: Lt. Kylan A. Jones-Huffman, 31, of Aptos, Calif., was killed Aug. 21 in Al Hillah, Iraq, by an unidentified gunman. Jones-Huffman was on temporary duty with the I Marine Expeditionary Force.
Aug. 13: Pfc. Daniel R. Parker, 18, of Lake Elsinore, Calif., died on Aug. 12 in Mosul, Iraq. Parker was thrown from his vehicle when the driver swerved to avoid an oncoming vehicle in another lane. Parker was fatally injured.
Aug. 12: Staff Sgt. David S. Perry, 36, of Bakersfield, Calif., was killed on Aug. 10 in Baquabah, Iraq.   Perry was inspecting a suspicious package when it exploded and fatally injured him.
July 24: Cpl. Evan Asa Ashcraft, 24, West Hills, Calif. killed north of Al Hawd, Iraq, - military convoy came under enemy fire.
 

1 posted on 08/23/2003 3:48:41 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: ALOHA RONNIE; DoctorZIn; yoe
From ALOHA RONNIE'S previous thread:

Fogel, Jeremy D.
Born 1949 in San Francisco, CA

Federal Judicial Service:
U. S. District Court, Northern District of California
Nominated by William J. Clinton on September 8, 1997, to a seat vacated by Robert P. Aguilar; Confirmed by the Senate on March 16, 1998, and received commission on March 17, 1998.

jfpo@cand.uscourts.gov

Freep the heck out of him!

110 posted on 08/19/2003 1:27 PM EDT by yoe

____

...I just Alerted the listeners on the Salem Christian Broadcasting Network's "DUFFY & CO" Talk Radio Show about Judge FOGEL's stopping the mailing out of our Military's California Recall Ballots as he prepares to postpone the Recall
Election back to March 2004.

...Radio Host Rev. WARREN DUFFEY was the BEACH BOYS' P/R Manager during the 1970's and his "DUFFY & CO" Talk Radio Show is broadcast across the country as well as live on the Internet.

http://www.kkla.com


129 posted on 08/22/2003 9:47 PM EDT by ALOHA RONNIE

 


2 posted on 08/23/2003 3:51:12 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Troops can handle the enemy. Help them tell the world!~http://www.freerepublic.com/~ragtimecowgirl/)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I'm no legal expert, but this whole thing stinks. Does anyone believe that there is ANY real point to Judge Fogel's holding the absentee ballots except to prevent the military from voting in an October recall election?

I dunno...

Now that Fort Ord has closed, I don't think there are all that many military people based in Monterey County. There is still the Defense Language Institute, and there is still the Naval Postgraduate School. There would also be some retirees.

So, what does that add up to? I don't know. 5000? 10,000?

And of those, how many would require absentee ballots? Ten percent?

I don't think the math is there to support the the above comment.

4 posted on 08/23/2003 4:04:01 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: ianincali
...how about if you can't SPEAK ENGLISH, you can't vote...

Someone else said it, and I agree, "if you don't pay taxes then you should not vote." That certainly makes a lot of sense to me.

5 posted on 08/23/2003 4:07:56 PM PDT by Radix
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To: The Other Harry
Absentee ballots aren't for the 1500 or so military currently stationed in Monterey County.

They're for the (doesn't matter how many, one is enough) active duty military personnel from Monterey County currently serving anywhere else.

6 posted on 08/23/2003 4:08:07 PM PDT by HiJinx (The right person....)
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To: Radix
That's a fine line...a lot of people (like my son) don't make enough to pay income taxes, and a lot of illegals pay sales taxes.

It still comes down to citizenship, Radix...that's the crux of the matter, and the illegals aren't citizens.
7 posted on 08/23/2003 4:09:38 PM PDT by HiJinx (The right person....)
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To: The Other Harry
You're saying the Judge wouldn't risk the scandal for a few votes? Possibly. There are many in CA serving in the military. I know the DOJ Civil Rights dept. and the ACLU pulled this same basic con in Fla.

Would a Dem. pol do this for 6 votes, 12? Based on previous scheming, YES.

Should Americans nail a Dem. Judge to the wall for preventing one soldier from having the right to vote today? YES.

8 posted on 08/23/2003 4:14:04 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Troops can handle the enemy. Help them tell the world!~http://www.freerepublic.com/~ragtimecowgirl/)
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10 posted on 08/23/2003 4:41:31 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (All we need from a Governor is a VETO PEN!!!)
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To: HiJinx
OK, The phrase actually was, "people who do not pay taxes should not be able to vote to increase the taxes of others."

Of course you are correct, only citizens should vote. Tell that to the Dems with their unending voter frauds.
11 posted on 08/23/2003 5:22:53 PM PDT by Radix
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; Joy Angela; conservogirl; Alamo-Girl; Mia T; Republic; Concentrate; VOA; ...
Friend of CLINTON 9th Circuit Court Judge STEPHEN REINHARDT =

Friend of U.S District Court Judge WAYNE D. FOGEL =

"No UNDER GOD in Pledge of Allegiance" Judge =

"No October 7th RECALL Election" Judge =

Friend of CLINTON GRAY DAVIS stays Governor of California =

President HILLARY in 2004!!!!!!
12 posted on 08/23/2003 5:26:25 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com ..)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Is it just me or does this look like the same stuff we see in third world countries where they really don't want to have free and open elections. I mean the only thing missing is a military entourage defending and propping up Davis. Then again, he does have the liberal democrats who's mouths are nasty weapons...
13 posted on 08/23/2003 5:44:32 PM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: Radix
My bad for not reading, thanks!
14 posted on 08/23/2003 6:30:27 PM PDT by HiJinx (The right person....)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
PING!

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15 posted on 08/23/2003 8:06:39 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Thanks for the heads up!
16 posted on 08/23/2003 8:18:49 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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