LA deputies shoot and kill unarmed man and police dog

Associated Press ^ | 08-25-03

[RobRoy]

>>I believe this is by far the stupidest comment I've ever read on FR, and I've been here quite a while.<<

Well, I won't go that far regarding your post , but I will agree to disagree.

I must admit I have read MUCH stupider posts. In fact, I don't consider yours stupid. It's just one with which I disagree. We obviously have differing world views.

[RobRoy]

Shooting through a dog is like driving your car through a dog. That is, if you percieve that trying to spare the dogs life may endanger human life (via an accidend in the case of a car, or giving time for a perp to line up his weapon), you drive through the dog in one case, and shoot through it in another. To me it is very simple and black and white.

[RobRoy]

So true.

[1rudeboy]

That's an interesting point. The cops in this case didn't wait for the dog to do its work, and I doubt they would wait elsewhere. It is unlikely that the Training Manual specifies that no action can be taken if a dog is in use.

[LibWhacker]

Yep . . . He ran from the cops . . . The shooting occurred as the dog was closing in on him, indicating the perp was some distance from the cops (they can't run as fast as their dog and their dog was just getting there), making it harder to tell what the guy had in his hand . . . His hand comes up quickly . . . There's something relatively small and black with a silver strap on it in his hand . . . You have about 0.1 seconds to decide whether or not to open fire . . .

Lots of questions. Pi$$ poor reporting. We should all take a deep breath and wait for THE REST OF THE STORY to come out before condemning the cops in this case -- as I've personally learned from hard experience, lol!

[RobRoy]

>>Lots of questions. Pi$$ poor reporting. We should all take a deep breath and wait for THE REST OF THE STORY to come out before condemning the cops in this case -- as I've personally learned from hard experience, lol!<<

Most salient thing said on this thread.

[Lion Den Dan]

I do agree that if a police dog was put in my face, it would end up with a broken neck pronto.

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If you think you will break an attack dog's neck, you are nuts. You may take my post how you wish but as far as the base article is concerned, murder was done.

[Castlebar]

Marko, a 9-year-old Belgian Malinois, had been a service dog for six years, said Lt. Patrick Maxwell, who supervises the sheriff's K-9 unit.

A highly placed source within the LAPD K-9 Unit has told the LA Times that Marko was a participant in a long-term crooked narcotics protection ring, and was about to turn state's evidence. Apparently, Marko had worn a collar wire and accumulated seven hours of damning testimony against eleven LAPD human and canine officers, who apparently set-up the parolee in this case. Marko had in fact been mauled last month by the then-indicted and now-convicted "Rusty", a former narcotocs K-9 sargeant who is currently serving 2-5 Whacks With A Rolled-Up-Newpaper.

[Oztrich Boy]

Patently false. If a dog is between you and the perp, it is the moral equivalent of a houseplant if you shoot "through" it.

You are wrong. This particular dog was the "moral equivilent" of a police officer. Which made it superior to a mere "human being, made in the image of God."

[TC Rider]

Lots of questions. Pi$$ poor reporting. We should all take a deep breath and wait for THE REST OF THE STORY to come out before condemning the cops in this case -- as I've personally learned from hard experience, lol!

Yeah, it's not like the guy had a rake.

(donning Nomex bunny suit)

[Eaker]

If you think you will break an attack dog's neck, you are nuts. You may take my post how you wish but as far as the base article is concerned, murder was done.

I had a 120+ pound German Shepard who loved to wrestle. When things got rough I was glad he was my buddy and understood where the food came from. There is no way that I could have broken his neck. He loved to play fetch with both a tennis ball and a 10 pound bowling ball.

I could throw the tennis ball further.

It appears to me that the cops shot the dog to "save" it. I discussed this with my current batch of dogs and they all said, "Thanks, but no thanks."

The wife and kids answered the same way.

My family have also discussed many other scenarios including the BG behind them with just their face showing. It is agreed that I will take the shot. It has also been discussed that they will shoot through me to save themselves.

It all has to do with training.

[LibWhacker]

LOL . . . You see what they're saying now? . . . It was a gravel rake! Here's one version of a gravel rake:

[visualops]

Some aquaintances at the local PD were in the K-9. Any police officer will tell you a police dog is a fellow officer, and they all understand the relationship between a police dog and his officer-handler is a tight bond of absolute trust. The guy I know was promoted out of K-9 and his dog was retired from K-9 and went with him, as his personal dog(pet).

[txdoda]

I'm thinking the cops are going to say it looked like he had a gun. He claimed he had a gun. He raised it . . . Was it to shoot at them or slap the dog? Split second decision . . . They could be justified in opening fire. >>>>>>


I agree, seems like many are 'jumping to conclusions' with very little info from the article.

[TC Rider]

LOL . . . You see what they're saying now? . . . It was a gravel rake! Here's one version of a gravel rake:

No, no, it was a hand rake!

[runningbear]

I am sure they had no intention of taking out a K-9 dog.... Was surely a mistake!

[ArmstedFragg]

Could the dog have jumped at the perp...

Most likely, yes. In the attack mode, they're trained to go for the arm. I've seen them launch into the air about ten feet out and hit the guy five feet off the ground.

[ArmstedFragg]

<<...most salient thing said on this thread...>>

...And this is the second most salient: (Same Author)

"His hand comes up quickly . . . There's something relatively small and black with a silver strap on it in his hand . . . You have about 0.1 seconds to decide whether or not to open fire"