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Time for the Terminator to step forward and answer detailed questions about his past conduct
LA Weekly ^ | 8-29 | Nikki Finke

Posted on 08/29/2003 10:27:25 PM PDT by ambrose

Edited on 08/30/2003 7:06:15 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]


AUG. 29 - SEPT. 4, 2003

Deadline Hollywood


Arnold’s Sexual Recall
Time for the Terminator to step forward and answer detailed questions about his past conduct
by Nikki Finke

Gloria Allred, California’s most high-profile defender of women’s rights, is demanding that Arnold Schwarzenegger answer the “very serious questions” raised by his lurid 1977 boasting that he participated in a gang bang at Gold’s Gym in Venice. In an interview with the L.A. Weekly, the Los Angeles lawyer and feminist who is founder and president of the Women’s Equal Rights Legal Defense and Education Fund added her outrage to what inexplicably has yet to become a real controversy over the candidate’s sexual history and attitudes.

“I am disgusted, appalled, revolted, sickened, disturbed and troubled,” Allred said of Schwarzenegger’s description of one incident in particular: when, with a startling specificity of language, the Pumping Iron star told the magazine, “Bodybuilders party a lot, and once, in Gold’s — the gym in Venice, California, where all the top guys train — there was a black girl who came out naked. Everybody jumped on her and took her upstairs, where we all got together.”

Asked by the interviewer if this had been a “gang bang,” Schwarzenegger said, “Yes, but not everybody, just the guys who can (expletive deleted by FR Admin Moderator) in front of other guys.”

Allred said, “There are a number of unanswered questions here that are very serious questions and shouldn’t be brushed off” by Schwarzenegger or the media. “It sounds as though it was a sexual assault or rape because he says everyone jumped on the woman involved and took her upstairs. It doesn’t sound consensual, though I don’t know for a certainty it wasn’t.

“I would call on Arnold to fully explain the details of what occurred,” Allred said, “including who else was involved, to fully take responsibility for his conduct and his words, to explain whether or not he has engaged in [similar activities with] other women and if so how many. I would also like to know what happened to these women, if there were more than one, because I am concerned about their well-being.”

That sex suddenly surfaced in the California gubernatorial recall election was not shocking, especially given Schwarzenegger’s past as a Hollywood actor who bared his butt and simulated coitus for the camera, as well as our fixation with the subject (witness today’s water-cooler talk about Britney tongue-kissing Madonna at the MTV Video Awards.) But what is remarkable right now is the way that media coverage has been so muffled despite the explosiveness of the Oui interview.

Nonetheless, this new call for Schwarzenegger to account for his behavior may turn the election into a national test that puts to rest once and for all in this post-Clinton era whether the sexual lives of political candidates should be a campaign issue.

By Friday, politicians including recall rival Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante and ex-Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura, along with Fox News Channel’s Bill O’Reilly and MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, all had put themselves on the record as declaring that Schwarzenegger’s 25-year-old sexual past was not relevant to the recall race.

But Allred expressed dismay at not just what Schwarzenegger said and did back then but also what he said and did about it this week. “My point is he hasn’t retracted the statements or apologized for the statements. So you have to assume this is where he stands today. The fact that people grow or their attitudes change is not really relevant. This is what he said and he appears to stand behind it.”

As to whether all candidates’ sexual history is relevant in any election, Allred said, “The answer is absolutely. Who a person is, their character, their history, their treatment of women, matters because, although a person can change, we have a right to know what their behavior has been in the past. Arnold has not given any indication that he thinks there’s anything wrong with what he did. And if he doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with this, he thinks it would be acceptable to repeat this behavior.”

That sentiment was echoed by Toni Broaddus, program director for Equality California, the statewide gay-rights group, who told the San Francisco Chronicle she was disturbed by Schwarzenegger’s description of the gang bang. “That many men and one woman — it was very troubling, because it did seem close to rape,” she said. “It just didn’t sound like the kind of thing that you want the leader of the world’s sixth largest economy bragging about.”

Several gay-rights advocates criticized Schwarzenegger for his use of the word fag in the Oui magazine interview. Michael Andraychak, president of the Los Angeles Stonewall Democratic Club, which opposes the recall, demanded that the candidate apologize, telling the Chronicle that gays react to the word fag the same way that African-Americans react to “the nigger word.”

Bustamante used the N word much more recently and apologized profusely to the black community, saying he had misspoken. About Schwarzenegger’s statements to Oui magazine, Bustamante declared, “People don’t care about these things. They care about the issues. This is not the time to look back.”

Also Friday, the author of the Oui interview, Peter Manso, told Pacifica Radio’s Democracy Now! sShow he thinks that Schwarzenegger’s attitude toward women back then was “to put it bluntly, woman are hunks of meat, no more, no less.” That attitude also permeated a March 2001 Premiere magazine article which recounted more recent moviemaking allegations of groping and fondling. “Stories of his boorish behavior can no longer be routinely erased,” the article said. “Then again, he’d make a helluva politician.” Schwarzenegger denied the allegations but never sued.

Politicians and pundits, not just neoconservatives avowedly friendly to Schwarzenegger’s campaign but even conservative Republicans who would have been expected to voice indignation, were nearly uniform in their mild responses, with most expressing their belief that it would be a mistake to exploit this seeming bump in Schwarzenegger’s political path for “partisan” reasons.

But the Oui magazine interview wasn’t a she-accuses, he-denies allegation like Juanita Broderick vs. Bill Clinton. This was a he-bragged about what he-did situation. We may never know what really happened until we hear from the woman involved. But recently the Supreme Court seemed to confirm what most Democrats had been saying during the Clinton sex scandals: that people’s sex lives are their own personal business. As a result, sex as a political sniper appears disarmed.

But that’s the case as long as the sex is consensual and all parties are willing participants. Which brings us to this self-described gang bang: In the eye of the beholder, was Schwarzenegger a youthful sexual hijinxer or craven sexual predator?

At issue here is that, even in those sexually liberated days of the movies Animal House and Debbie Does Dallas, the term gang bang had then, still has and will always conjure up an image of an act of sexual aggression. Since details are few, whether that happened in this instance is impossible to discern. But let’s at least be honest: The description of several heavily muscled men at one time having a sexual encounter with a lone woman, where words like jump and took are used to describe it, suggests a certain roughness even if the woman may have found it a pleasurable experience.

There is no reason to believe from the context of the interview that foreign-born Schwarzenegger did not know what his words meant. But even in terms of contemporary morality when attitudes toward women careen from politically correct feminism to Howard Stern’s she’s-asking-to-be-treated-like-a-ho humor, it’s a rare set of circumstances to equate a gang bang to a “party” (to use Schwarzenegger’s 1977 language.)

At first, Schwarzenegger had only this to say about the article: It was not the type of interview he would give today. “I never lived my life to be a politician. I never lived my life to be the governor of California,” he told Sacramento station KFBK Wednesday night. “Obviously, I’ve made statements that were ludicrous and crazy and outrageous and all those things, because that’s the way I always was. I was always that way, because otherwise I wouldn’t have done the things that I did in my career, including the bodybuilding and the show business and all those things.”

However, by Friday, the candidate seemed to have developed overnight, claiming at a public appearance that he had no recollection of even giving the interview or what he said.

The Oui question-and-answer interview, which took place when Schwarzenegger was 29 years old and already a minor celebrity (having appeared in two movies, Stay Hungry and Pumping Iron, the documentary about the 1975 Mr. Olympia contest which Schwarzenegger won), first came to light on the Internet on Wednesday. By that evening, some of California’s TV newscasts made general references to Schwarzenegger’s “graphic” description of his “wild” past without fleshing out the lurid details.

By Thursday, there was an eerie silence about the revelations, especially among those blanket-covering the recall, including talk-radio and television gadflies not exactly known for being shy about shouting their opinions.

On Thursday morning, conservative commentator Bill O’Reilly referred to the Schwarzenegger interview on his radio show only in passing to opine that “People’s personal lives have nothing to do with their political lives.” Yet O’Reilly had been among those many pundits and politicians who consistently maintained that the details of Bill Clinton’s sexual past were appropriate fodder for political attacks and press probes — a position vigorously opposed by both liberals and even moderates.

On MSNBC that evening, former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura was openly guffawing when asked if Schwarzenegger’s sexual past mattered. “People need to understand that you’re not the same person at age 19 that you are, in my case, at 51.” Pointing out that in his autobiography he admitted visiting a legal Nevada brothel as a young man, Ventura stated, “It shouldn’t count. We learn. We grow. We mature. You cannot judge people by what you did 20 or 30 years ago.”

By Friday, shock had turned to show. Radio and television commentators and anchors began discussing the content and context of the interview as well as the controversy. Now it could become Topic A. Whether back then reality was simulating a scene out of American Pie or The Accused, voters in the end will have to decide.

Contact Nikki Finke at nikkifinke@deadlinehollywood.com.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
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1 posted on 08/29/2003 10:27:26 PM PDT by ambrose
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We may never know what really happened until we hear from the woman involved.

So, BandWagon Jumpers, do you want to drive McClintock out of the race now and wait for Bob Mulholland to produce the black woman three days before the election??

2 posted on 08/29/2003 10:28:53 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: ambrose
What I want to know is when is Busty going to nailed for his past? NEVER...If the media has anything to do with it.
3 posted on 08/29/2003 10:29:00 PM PDT by GrandmaPatriot
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To: Torie
ping
4 posted on 08/29/2003 10:29:05 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: GrandmaPatriot
What does that have to do with Ahnold?

Busty's MECHA past is the subject of numerous threads here.
5 posted on 08/29/2003 10:29:55 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: ambrose
“I am disgusted, appalled, revolted, sickened, disturbed and troubled,” Allred said

Yes you are, Gloria. ....particularly the last two words you mentioned.

6 posted on 08/29/2003 10:32:04 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: ambrose
But what is remarkable right now is the way that media coverage has been so muffled despite the explosiveness of the Oui interview.

How explosive can an interview previously published in 1977 really be? Maybe it's old news?

7 posted on 08/29/2003 10:32:44 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: ambrose
Yawn. Who cares? It was the 70's and the democrats chanting of "it's just sex" is coming back to bite them in the *ss.

MEchA Anyone? Roast Bustemonte not Arnold.
8 posted on 08/29/2003 10:34:00 PM PDT by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: ambrose
do you want to drive McClintock out of the race now and wait for Bob Mulholland to produce the black woman three days before the election??

I'd love for Bob to do that. I really want to hear what this woman expected when she voluntarily walked out naked into a room full of body-builders.

9 posted on 08/29/2003 10:34:52 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: ambrose
So, BandWagon Jumpers, do you want to drive McClintock out of the race now and wait for Bob Mulholland to produce the black woman three days before the election??

Hmmm... You make that sound like a bad thing.


10 posted on 08/29/2003 10:35:27 PM PDT by rdb3 (They've read all the books but they can't find the answers...)
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To: Dog Gone
It won't be "old news" when Bob Mulholland produces the "gang-banged" (Ahnold's words, not mine) black woman three days before the election.
11 posted on 08/29/2003 10:35:36 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: rdb3
Don't play word games with me. That's how the article described her. We don't know her name... yet.
12 posted on 08/29/2003 10:37:12 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Well give Gloria "microphone hog" Allred credit. She was one of the few liberal women who demanded that Clinton resign over Monica. She is at least being consistent in this area.
13 posted on 08/29/2003 10:38:10 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: ambrose
Is it somehow significant that the "ho" in question is Black? Why the mention?
14 posted on 08/29/2003 10:38:34 PM PDT by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: annyokie
Is it somehow significant that the "ho" in question is Black? Why the mention?

Ask Ahnold. He thought her skin color was worthy of mention in the OUI interview.

15 posted on 08/29/2003 10:40:06 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: ambrose
Don't play word games with me.

One thing that I rarely do is play games. I quoted your words back to you. Could you not have just said "woman" instead of "black woman?" I mean, she's still a woman, right?


16 posted on 08/29/2003 10:44:02 PM PDT by rdb3 (They've read all the books but they can't find the answers...)
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To: ambrose
If I had his phone number I'd ask him. It isn't a big deal in Europe to intermarry or have sex with other races as it is here.

A German woman I worked with told me that Blacks "make good husbands" maybe it's the same with Black women as wives or lovers.

The point is, WHO CARES?! It was nearly 30 years ago, he wasn't married and was a hot dude.
17 posted on 08/29/2003 10:44:28 PM PDT by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: ambrose; Dog Gone
This aged article is the featured story on CNN and the author is delighting in his 15 minutes of fame.

Gloria Allred is a big time, loud-mouthed, liberal democrat. Her opinion means zilch to me.

Will the revelations doom Arnold? I doubt it.


18 posted on 08/29/2003 10:44:36 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: ambrose
While I am one of those who would prefer McClintock, voters are waaay past considering "way back in the old days" as a litmus test to choose their candidates anymore.

IF they were, they wouldn't have elected a rapist-coke snorting-gangster from Arkansas TWICE to be President.

19 posted on 08/29/2003 10:44:59 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: ambrose
Gloria Allred, California’s most high-profile defender of women’s rights, is demanding that Arnold Schwarzenegger answer the “very serious questions” raised by his lurid 1977 boasting that he participated in a gang bang at Gold’s Gym in Venice.

Ms Alred is upset because she wasn't invited to the orgy.

20 posted on 08/29/2003 10:46:34 PM PDT by slimer (i'm mad as hell and i'm not going to take it anymore!)
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To: ambrose
In an interview with the L.A. Weekly, the Los Angeles lawyer and feminist who is founder and president of the Women’s Equal Rights Legal Defense and Education Fund added her outrage to what inexplicably has yet to become a real controversy over the candidate’s sexual history and attitudes.

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Did she object to such things in Bill Clinton?

21 posted on 08/29/2003 10:46:53 PM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
In an interview with the L.A. Weekly, the Los Angeles lawyer and feminist who is founder and president of the Women’s Equal Rights Legal Defense and Education Fund added her outrage to what inexplicably has yet to become a real controversy over the candidate’s sexual history and attitudes.
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Did she object to such things in Bill Clinton?

DING DING DING! You broke-a da code! No more calls, we have a winner!

22 posted on 08/29/2003 10:47:56 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
One of the silliest, nastiest sows of the last 100 years. Calls to mind another pest (Jesse Jackson) and the appropriate response: 1. Laugh at. 2. Ignore.
23 posted on 08/29/2003 10:48:41 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "All not actually on watch, lay to your racks...")
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To: Mr. Mojo
Gloria Allred..“I am disgusted, appalled, revolted, sickened, disturbed and troubled,”....Allred said, “The answer is absolutely. Who a person is, their character, their history, their treatment of women, matters because, although a person can change, we have a right to know what their behavior has been in the past.

pssst, gloria, remember juanita?? or Kathleen??

That sentiment was echoed by Toni Broaddus, program director for Equality California, the statewide gay-rights group

Quite a collection of people slowly and surely supporting mclintock for gov. Why?

24 posted on 08/29/2003 10:50:36 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: F16Fighter
IF they were, they wouldn't have elected a rapist-coke snorting-gangster from Arkansas TWICE to be President.

It was awful when Democrats used the "Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged" jargon when defending Clinton. I find it worrisome that some Republicans are using it to defend a guy who boasts about "gang-bangs."

25 posted on 08/29/2003 10:52:00 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: ambrose
(witness today’s water-cooler talk about Britney tongue-kissing Madonna at the MTV Video Awards.)

Another sign of end-times? Yuck.

I wonder if she's getting back at Justin?

Oh yeah, Arnold just went up in polling among Dems 24 percentage points.

26 posted on 08/29/2003 10:52:30 PM PDT by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: Poohbah
Did she object to such things in Bill Clinton?

DING DING DING! You broke-a da code! No more calls, we have a winner!





No we don't. Gloria did denounce Clinton's activities with Monica, but being a loyal democrat, she stopped waaaaaay short of voicing her support for impeachment because "lying about sex didn't merit impeachment."
27 posted on 08/29/2003 10:53:55 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: onyx
No we don't. Gloria did denounce Clinton's activities with Monica, but being a loyal democrat, she stopped waaaaaay short of voicing her support for impeachment because "lying about sex didn't merit impeachment."

Then her disapproval is null and void.

I was listening to her during impeachment, and she barely mentioned Monica once, and then moved right on.

28 posted on 08/29/2003 10:55:15 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: RLK
Did she object to such things in Bill Clinton?

Uhhhh.... yes she did. She called for his impeachment and removal from office repeatedly on her radio show. So bzzzzzzzzzzz. The only hypocrites around here are the "conservatives" who would excuse "gang-banging" a defenseless woman.

29 posted on 08/29/2003 10:55:33 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: LdSentinal
We're Slouching Towards Gammorah.

What has happened to the Free Republic?!

This seems to no longer be a conservative forum. It is merely "The Republican Underground"... a hangout for ultra partisan hacks who will excuse anyone who has an "R" next to his name, regardless as to where they stand on the issues.
30 posted on 08/29/2003 10:58:28 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: onyx
No we don't. Gloria did denounce Clinton's activities with Monica, but being a loyal democrat, she stopped waaaaaay short of voicing her support for impeachment because "lying about sex didn't merit impeachment."

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What about raping Juanita Broaddrick and several other women

31 posted on 08/29/2003 11:00:16 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Dog Gone
there was a black girl who came out naked

Let's see here. A woman comes out naked and alone in front of a group of large body building men.

I know you are not supposed to blame the victim, but if the woman was a policwoman, it would be called entrapment.

Further, if I go into a poor area with a wad of hundred dollar bills in each hand and yelling "I'm rich and your poor", if I get beaten up, I think I deserved it.

32 posted on 08/29/2003 11:01:02 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: rdb3
One thing that I rarely do is play games. I quoted your words back to you. Could you not have just said "woman" instead of "black woman?" I mean, she's still a woman, right?

No... you are playing games. You're trying to play the race card and subtly accuse me of racism because I referred to her as a black woman, when in fact, I was simply referring to her in the same way that your man Ahnold did. But then going back to your circular reasoning, you'll say it doesn't matter how he referred to her, because it was in the "past"... Well guess what, the way I referred to her is now also in the past.

Keep on trolling, I guess...

33 posted on 08/29/2003 11:01:41 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: ambrose
Where was Gloria Allred when *BILL CLINTON* was taking advantage of a *BARELY LEGAL* intern? She seemed to take a *VOW OF SILENCE* back then!

But when it comes to a *CONSERVATIVE* like Schwarzenegger, she is *OH* so concerned about an interview from over 30 *YEARS* ago!

The *HYPOCRISY* is pathetic!

34 posted on 08/29/2003 11:02:24 PM PDT by Sir Valentino
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To: staytrue
I hope Ahnold goes for the "she deserved it defense".. that will really win him votes with the Sucker Mom crowd that he covets.
35 posted on 08/29/2003 11:02:39 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: ambrose
1970's, free sex was just becoming THE thing, women were demanding sexual equality, there is no way of knowing if this really happened or if it was some frenchman's imagination running wild.

Democrats don't seem to understand the difference between what you did 30 years ago as compared to what you are doing now. They seem to think conservatives are so prim that we don't know the difference between a wild past and a wild present.

36 posted on 08/29/2003 11:03:22 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: ambrose
"conservatives" who would excuse "gang-banging" a defenseless woman.

Defenseless? Are you saying she was raped?

37 posted on 08/29/2003 11:03:30 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: rdb3
"One thing that I rarely do is play games. I quoted your words back to you. Could you not have just said "woman" instead of "black woman?" I mean, she's still a woman, right?"

I see your point. I heard it discussed on the radio, along with the fact the interview used the term "fag" as well.

The jist of the conversation was: Did this constitute "disrespect" by Arnold towards blacks and homosexuals?

He might have as easily said: "...a blonde woman."

Since the whole thing was 26 years ago, and doesn't seem to reveal any expressed prejudice by Arnold, my reading determines it is fairly benign on that issue.

Not so benign, however, is the content about loose sex and drug use. That may not go down well, with a few voters.

How do you feel about the article itself, regarding the "woman" aspect? Do you feel Arnold was disrespectful (way back then)?
38 posted on 08/29/2003 11:03:55 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: RLK
What about raping Juanita Broaddrick and several other women?

Since I detest Gloria and usually *mute* her as soon as her face appears on my TV screen, I can't answer your question.

39 posted on 08/29/2003 11:04:31 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Are you saying she was raped?

I didn't use the term "gang-bang", Ahnold did. Why don't you ask him?

Or would you rather hound McClintock out of the race, and wait for Bob Mulholland to produce the woman with days left in the election?

Think people, think!

I know morality doesn't matter one wit around here anymore, but if all you care about is winning, then you might want to think twice before you put all your apples in this rotten cart.

40 posted on 08/29/2003 11:06:06 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: Sir Valentino
But when it comes to a *CONSERVATIVE* like Schwarzenegger, she is *OH* so concerned about an interview from over 30 *YEARS* ago!

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Was this the actions of a CONSERVATIVE? Arnold has always seemed to me being closer to being a Hells Angel without a motorcycle. This guy is raw and amoral.

41 posted on 08/29/2003 11:07:26 PM PDT by RLK
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To: ambrose
I am voting for McClintock but this whole crap about Arnold's past MAKES ME REALLY MAD!! All the snooping and digging. His past is PAST and we all did and said crap when we were younger that we wish we hadn't. I think this is going to backfire on all the Arnold bashers.
42 posted on 08/29/2003 11:08:06 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: ambrose
I am voting for McClintock but this whole crap about Arnold's past MAKES ME REALLY MAD!! All the snooping and digging. His past is PAST and we all did and said crap when we were younger that we wish we hadn't. I think this is going to backfire on all the Arnold bashers.
43 posted on 08/29/2003 11:08:08 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
All the snooping and digging.

What snooping and digging? We're talking about an interview he gave to a widely published magazine!

The snooping and digging part comes later when Bob Mulholland produces the "gang banged" (Ahnold's words, not mine) woman with days left in the election.

44 posted on 08/29/2003 11:10:09 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: ambrose
By Thursday, there was an eerie silence about the revelations, especially among those blanket-covering the recall, including talk-radio and television gadflies not exactly known for being shy about shouting their opinions.

On Thursday morning, conservative commentator Bill O’Reilly referred to the Schwarzenegger interview on his radio show only in passing to opine that “People’s personal lives have nothing to do with their political lives.” Yet O’Reilly had been among those many pundits and politicians who consistently maintained that the details of Bill Clinton’s sexual past were appropriate fodder for political attacks and press probes — a position vigorously opposed by both liberals and even moderates.

What a pile of stinking, steaming nonsense.

The author knows good and well -- or, at least, she should, if she is a professional journalist -- that Bill Clinton's peccadillos weren't in his past, they were in his present. Gennifer Flowers insisted that they had a twelve-year affair that broke off only when he became serious about running for President -- that's what the 60 Minutes interview that "made" the Clintons was all about. Clinton never admitted nor denied that he and Flowers had a sexual relationship, but he implied that the days of "causing pain in his marriage" were over.

Five years later, lab tests proved that wasn't true, and proved that the President of the United States left himself wide open for blackmail.

Wake me when some whore admits being a gangbang toy for Arnold and his 'roided-up pals since he's been married to Maria Shriver.

45 posted on 08/29/2003 11:11:50 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: ambrose
Ah, the Sperminator
46 posted on 08/29/2003 11:13:11 PM PDT by mugsy
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To: ambrose
Oh Gloria, if you're so hungry for your own gang bang, just go on the net and advertise. No need to get hints from Arnie on how to set it up.
47 posted on 08/29/2003 11:15:27 PM PDT by per loin
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To: L.N. Smithee
So tell me, how do you define what is in the "past" and in the "present"... This reminds me of a scene in the Lion King where Simba tells the monkey that he didn't care about something, because it was in the "past"... The monkey then slaps Simba, and Simba gets upset. The monkey says, "why are you upset? It was in the past!"

Or am I getting to esoteric?

48 posted on 08/29/2003 11:17:04 PM PDT by ambrose (If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention...)
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To: ambrose
You see, what some of the guys on this thread don't realize is that many of us want leaders who are better than us, not some common dufus. And some of us want him to also have better morals than the average Joe. Now, I'm not perfect. I've done some stupid things. When I was younger, I had quite a few one-night stands. I'm a sinner. I'm not perfect, but you see, I've never publicly bragged about my sexuality, and I never remember being proud of my behavior. Sexually relieved, maybe, but not proud. And another thing is for sure -- I've never participated in any damned orgy. Couple his behavior with him being a RINO on the issues, and you'd have to be crazy to vote for him.
49 posted on 08/29/2003 11:17:42 PM PDT by mugsy
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To: ambrose
You're assuming I'm an Arnold supporter. Don't.

"I didn't use the term "gang-bang", Ahnold did"

The sex was consensual, obviously. Only radical feminazi nutballs (like Gloria Allred) would think otherwise.

From your post #29: "She [Gloria] called for his [Clinton's] impeachment and removal from office repeatedly on her radio show"

Indeed she did. But did she ever even mention the actual rape of Juanita Broaddrick by that same Bill Clinton?

50 posted on 08/29/2003 11:18:37 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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