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FDR's Raw Deal Exposed
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 9.30.03 | Thomas Roeser

Posted on 08/30/2003 11:59:46 AM PDT by Cathryn Crawford

FDR's Raw Deal Exposed

August 30, 2003

BY THOMAS ROESER

For 70 years there has been a holy creed--spread by academia until accepted by media and most Americans--that Franklin D. Roosevelt cured the Great Depression. That belief spurred the growth of modern liberalism; conservatives are still on the defensive where modern historians are concerned.

Not so anymore when the facts are considered. Now a scholar at the libertarian Cato Institute has demonstrated that (a) not only did Roosevelt not end the Depression, but (b) by incompetent measures, he prolonged it. But FDR's myth has sold. Roosevelt, the master of the fireside chat, was powerful. His style has been equaled but not excelled.

Throughout the New Deal period, median unemployment was 17.2 percent. Joblessness never dipped below 14 percent, writes Jim Powell in a preview of his soon-to-be-published (by Crown Forum) FDR's Folly: How Franklin Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression. Powell argues that the major cause of the Depression was not stock market abuses but the Federal Reserve, which contracted the money supply by a third between 1929 and 1933. Then, the New Deal made it more expensive to hire people, adding to unemployment by concocting the National Industrial Recovery Act, which created some 700 cartels with codes mandating above-market wages. It made things worse, ''by doubling taxes, making it more expensive for employers to hire people, making it harder for entrepreneurs to raise capital, demonizing employers, destroying food . . . breaking up the strongest banks, forcing up the cost of living, channeling welfare away from the poorest people and enacting labor laws that hit poor African Americans especially hard,'' Powell writes.

Taxes spiraled (as a percentage of gross national product), jumping from 3.5 percent in 1933 to 6.9 percent in 1940. An undistributed profits tax was introduced. Securities laws made it harder for employers to raise capital. In ''an unprecedented crusade against big employers,'' the Justice Department hired 300 lawyers, who filed 150 antitrust lawsuits. Winning few prosecutions, the antitrust crusade not only flopped, but wracked an already reeling economy. At the same time, a retail price maintenance act allowed manufacturers to jack up retail prices of branded merchandise, which blocked chain stores from discounting prices, hitting consumers.

Roosevelt's central banking ''reform'' broke up the strongest banks, those engaged in commercial investment banking, ''because New Dealers imagined that securities underwriting was a factor in all bank failures,'' but didn't touch the cause of 90 percent of the bank failures: state and federal unit banking laws. Canada, which allowed nationwide branch banking, had not a single bank failure during the Depression. The New Deal Fed hiked banks' reserve requirement by 50 percent in July 1936, then increased it another 33.3 percent. This ''triggered a contraction of the money supply, which was one of the most important factors bringing on the Depression of 1938--the third most severe since World War I. Real GNP declined 18 percent and industrial production was down 32 percent.''

Roosevelt's National Recovery Administration hit the little guy worst of all, Powell writes. In 1934, Jacob Maged, a 49-year-old immigrant, was fined and jailed three months for charging 35 cents to press a suit rather rather than 40 cents mandated by the Fed's dry cleaning code. The NRA was later ruled unconstitutional. To raise farm prices, Roosevelt's farm policy plowed under 10 million acres of cultivated land, preventing wheat, corn and other crops from reaching the hungry. Hog farmers were paid to slaughter about 6 million young hogs, protested by John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath. New Deal relief programs were steered away from the South, the nation's poorest region. ''A reported 15,654 people were forced from their homes to make way for dams,'' Powell writes. ''Farm owners received cash settlements for their condemned property, but the thousands of black tenant farmers got nothing.''

In contrast, the first Depression of the 20th century, in 1920, lasted only a year after Warren Harding cut taxes, slashed spending and returned to the poker table. But with the Great Depression, the myth has grown that unemployment and economic hardship were ended by magical New Deal fiat. The truth: The Depression ended with the buildup to World War II.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bankers; banking; bookreview; economy; fdr; greatdepression; history; investmentbanking; michaeldobbs; myth; newdeal
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To: MosesKnows
To clarify: that which immediately precedes the event is not necessarily its cause.

E.g.: the infamous assasination is not the cause of WWI, for instance.

Next time, check the dictionary:

n. im·pe·tus

  1. An impelling force; an impulse.
  2. The force or energy associated with a moving body.
  3.  
    1. Something that incites; a stimulus.
    2. Increased activity in response to a stimulus: The approaching deadline gave impetus to the investigation.

281 posted on 08/31/2003 7:18:49 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
This still does not answer the question of what prompts you to praise Stalin in this context

I made that remark in response to #37 in which marron states

FDR is the guy that sent refugee Jews back to be slaughtered in Hitler's camps. He's the guy that handed half of Europe over to Stalin, who easily bested Hitler in the butchery department by a factor of at least 3

to try to show him that reality is a lot more complicated than he believes, and that his screed against FDR is completetely distorted by his ignorant prejudices.

It's you who've ignored context and shown your sympathies.

282 posted on 08/31/2003 7:21:28 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Interesting reading...thanks!
283 posted on 08/31/2003 7:21:31 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("The board is set. The pieces are moving. We come to it at last...the Great Battle of our time.")
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To: marron
His policies were a continuation of the ideas then in vogue, and still in vogue, that the economy required the direction of good managers in government. This was the idea behind the establishment of the Federal Reserve which placed control of monetary policy in the hands of Fed geniuses, who were the immediate cause of the crash, and it was the idea behind Hoover's incompetent "fixes" after the crash, and Roosevelt's even more aggressively incompetent "fixes" after 1933.
Actually, the Fed was created implicitly and specifically to provide liquidity. It had nothing to do with a "guiding hand." Its creation followed the Panic of 1907, a market crash and bank run caused by a stock scandal. J.P. Morgan and the Fed. Gov. pumped money into NY banks, and a disaster was averted. Populists and statists hated the Fed, as it was seen as a big business, big bank conspiracy to rob the common man of liberty and his first born.

In 1908, the staunchest conservative of the day, Sen. Nelson Aldrich, got himself a commission to formulate the Federal Reserve. The project was dangerous and hated, but Aldrich managed to put it together. He held town meetings, traveled the nation, discussed its formulation with newspaper editors the country over, and reported to Congress on his doings. There was nothing secretive about it. President Taft supported it from day one, and he dedicated a large portion of his Dec. 1911 Message to Congress to it. Aldrich presented the Commission's report in late 1911/ early 1912. While Aldrich's model was more independent than that enacted by a Democratic Congress under W. Wilson, it's role, and its function was limited to banking, and not economic policy. It was not, and is not a central bank.

(Btw, Aldrich is the "Nelson" in Rockefeller -- his daughter married J.D.'s son.)

I enjoyed your account of Latin American economies. That's precisely what happens, with Chile the exception. That evil Pinochet, you know. God help us, but maybe Lula will finally pull it off in Brasil?

284 posted on 08/31/2003 7:58:23 AM PDT by nicollo
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To: x
FDR came into office after the crisis struck. It was political win-win. While his own policies failed, he was trying to solve someone else's problem. He was really, really trying, you see. It paid off with 523 electoral votes in '36.

He could have dressed like a clown and still taken the election.

For safety, I took your 16th amendment question over here

285 posted on 08/31/2003 8:17:13 AM PDT by nicollo
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To: risk
We also got a FedGov that grew from about 4% of GDP to about 22% of GDP.

Real people starved, and continue to stave, because of that waste of resources. Real people died, and continue to die, at the hands of a Leviathan government.

Would you give up those lodges and trails to get back all the trillions wasted since the New Deal? How much wealthier would you and your children be if all those taxes had not been paid by you?

How much freer would you be if the FedGov budget was a fifth what it is? How much less would the government cost your employer? How many more of your neighbors would have jobs?
286 posted on 08/31/2003 8:18:12 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: marron; WOSG; TopQuark
In this post you cover a great deal, much of it very difficult. I'll have to take some time to reply since much of that reply will take the form of caveats rather than outright disagreement. I'm sorry about that but I'm in the same boat with several other posters - WOSG and Top Quark among them - and I'd like to do this right.
287 posted on 08/31/2003 8:21:25 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Let's recap the FDR legacy.

1)Recognized the Soviet Union.

2)Sold out Eastern Europe to the Soviet Union.

3)Gave the Federal government roles it was never meant to have including providing electricity (TVA), providing retirement, building muncipal parks, and various other redistribution schemes

4)He paid lip service to blacks while doing nothing to end segregation and granting equal opportunity to blacks, all for Southern votes.

5)Interned Japanese citizens after Pearl Harbor without due process and in general set horrible precedents in War Powers (military tribunals, etc.)

6)Signed the first unConstitutional gun-grabbing act, the National Firearms Act of 1933.

7)Created the United Nations and wrote the four basic freedoms, one of which is the "Freedom from Want", which is nothing than a justification for global socialism.

288 posted on 08/31/2003 8:28:16 AM PDT by Sparta (Sending the UN back to Iraq is like sending the Taliban back to Afghanistan)
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To: eno_
Conjecture about the past is tricky. My 80 year-old parents, who were actually there to live through the Great Depression, are not so quick to criticize FDR for the New Deal. I'm sure they would disagree with your assessment of history. Guess who has more credibility in my mind?

In any case, the future is ahead of us. That's what's important now. By the way, I'm to the right of my mom and dad on fiscal issues. Together, we're way to the right of most Americans on defense issues.
289 posted on 08/31/2003 8:43:00 AM PDT by risk
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To: TopQuark
Do you have an opinion as to the cause or impetus behind the depression or do you merely have opinions about opinions?

Next time, check the dictionary:

Next time check the thesaurus:
impetus - noun

Something that causes and encourages a given response:
encouragement, fillip, impulse, incentive, inducement, motivation, prod, push, spur, stimulant, stimulation, stimulator, stimulus. See cause/effect.

To clarify: that which immediately precedes the event is not necessarily its cause.

If that which preceded the event is not necessarily its cause then that which preceded the event could possibly have been the cause.

My opinion remains as originally posted...As with most things the cause of the great depression in the United States was a combination of events, all well intended and all wrong. Keep in mind that the world was in depression. The depression in the United States became the great depression with the enactment of the Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act of 1930 while marginal tax rates were increasing.

What is your opinion of the cause of the great depression?

290 posted on 08/31/2003 9:07:08 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: marron; liberallarry
Marron, Your post just about "says it all".

I can only echo that FDR's errors on economic policy and the Stalinist infiltration of his administration during WWII should be a cause for historians to revisit the FDR myth.

FDR cannot be credited with anything related to the great depression except extending the depression that began on Hoover's watch; FDR's New Deal had bad regulatory policies that hurt the economic recovery.

Those who dont *properly* learn from history are doomed to repeat it. And not just in Latin America:
Japan recently went through their own 'lost decade' of stagnation, coincidently a decade where they tried all manner of Keynesian interventions and Govt WPA-type projects. What they got for it was huge Govt debt, a lot of concrete projects, and more economic stagnation. Only now, after finally revamping the banking system and easing up on taxes are they beginning to crawl out of the hole - the Nikkei average is back above 10,000, less than a THIRD the peak price in 1989 of 35,000. The mind boggles.

In 2001, USA was faced with the same kind of post credit-bubble economic abyss, created because of Fed malfeasance in over-stimulating for Y2K (it wasnt needed but it led to a Nasdaq "bubble" price of 5000 and overpriced stocks and useless IPOs galore); bubbles create busts; 9/11 only compounded it. We could have been stuck in the soup for years, but we managed to pull through with a minor recession only unemployment no higher than 6% or so, a miracle considering - but a miracle engineered with tax cuts and loose monetary and fiscal policies. I remain convinced that this *could* have been another Japan-like malaise for the US, but thanks to having GW Bush in the White House, this decade WONT be a lost decade; our growth will be quite good.

It may well be that GW Bush is the leader FDR needed to be; GWB's domestic and foreign policies back in the 1930s would have worked wonders. JMHO.
291 posted on 08/31/2003 10:18:44 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: quietolong
A high number of Soviet “ combat deaths ” were really. Political executions. Stalin was very shrewd. Why just waste bullets & lives. Why not make them useful to the State! People that the state wanted to get rid of. Were formed into Penal outfits. Backed up by a Guard unit. Now the Guard unit was not there to help the Penal unit. Or fire into the German line. There were to shoot an the backs of the Penal men. To make them charge forward.

A recent documentary on History channel on the battle of Stalingrad described the penal units.

They were formed from prisoners, in the case of the guy interviewed, he was in jail for protesting the removal of a teacher who criticized stalin. sent to the gulag. then to a 'penal unit'. The Russians used the units a "reconnaissance by attack" - they'd send the unit in, and depending on how and where the unit got shot at, the Russian general knew what they were facing. Literal cannon fodder.

The penal unit 'soldier' interviewed said you were just numb to your destiny, death was inveitable. The death rates were over 90%, this particular man somehow was a survivor.

It is stuff like this that explains how Stalin managed to lose 20 million men fighting a German army a fraction of that size. One can say the deaths are due to Hitler because Hitler attacked Russia, but in reality it was due to Stalin - rather than kill folks in the gulag, he let the German bullets do the dirty work for him.

Just another reason Stalin edges out Hitler as the world's worst Murderous-Evil-Dictator.

292 posted on 08/31/2003 10:28:13 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: jamaksin
FDR was a commie-symp, pure and simple. That comes perfectly clear in the reading of The New Dealers' War (Thomas Flemming). Must reading.

293 posted on 08/31/2003 10:46:15 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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To: WOSG
I will accept your prediction--subject to the "revisions" that the Gummint usually issues.

Speaking of Gummint numbers, are you unaware that Clintoon's Commerce Department seriously massaged the industrial series beginning around 1998 for the purposes of electing Gore?

The recession in the industrial sector was actually beginning around 1997--almost imperceptibly at the time--and was in full bloom EARLY in 2000. Industrials slammed on the brakes in late 2000, but the expansion was long over by then. The only sector not hit during 2000 was automotive, although to a lesser degree, consumer durables managed to chug along. But capital goods expenditures were close to zero from approx 1/1/2000 through today's date.

See the machine tool builder's indexes....
294 posted on 08/31/2003 10:53:08 AM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: WOSG; TopQuark; marron
Political opinion seems to be largely inherited, or at least consistant within families and communities. Worth mentioning.
295 posted on 08/31/2003 10:54:31 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: risk
I'm asking about your generation and your children:

That 18% more of GDP the government eats now, would it be better put to use in your pocket, or the FedGov's? (Or are you on the FedGov gravy train?)

Imagine nearly 20% of your income, over your lifetime, applicable to what YOU think is a priority, like your childrens' eduction, better housing, more money for your retured parents, etc. Imagine all the misery caused by the government taking all that away from all the people for all that time.

Is it even possible to defend that?
296 posted on 08/31/2003 10:55:59 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: quietolong
I’m not saying Hitler was good. Just not “ as bad “ as Stalin.

It boggles the mind that such a judgment should/would/could be made.

Not flaming you--but how the hell? Are numbers the only determinant?

GIven enough time, it's entirely possible that Hitler could have "won."

297 posted on 08/31/2003 10:58:29 AM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: marron
You can't separate liberty from morality, and you can't separate general prosperity from it either.

Very true.

298 posted on 08/31/2003 1:29:19 PM PDT by elbucko (Bob Citron's ghost, the Democrat who bankrupted Orange County, haunts Calif.)
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To: liberallarry
It's you who've ignored context and shown your sympathies.

This is at the level of "My father can beat up your father."

Grow up.

299 posted on 08/31/2003 1:30:16 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: MosesKnows; liberallarry
Next time check the thesaurus:

Next time you analyze a causal relationship take a course in research methods and learn about threats to validity. I've tried to attract your attention to the fact that impetus is NOT necesarily a cause (it is a frequent misunderstanding thereof). All too often this what people do: look for the immediate few minutes before the market crash; immediate few months before a revolution; etc --- as if these would reveal the corresonding cause. More often than not, this is an error. Impetus (something brings the cause out, so to speak, makes it visible by its effects) is not necessarily the cause. Both you and the thesaurus you quote demonstrate that this is a frequent confusion.

As for your second question, to the best of my knowlege, there is no definitively known cause(s) of Depression.

300 posted on 08/31/2003 1:37:50 PM PDT by TopQuark
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