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THE DEBATE! DID YOU SEE WHAT I SAW?
Dad / Chef / Author, CookingWithCarlo.vom ^ | Sept 12, 2003 | Carlo3b

Posted on 09/12/2003 7:21:01 AM PDT by carlo3b

THE DEBATE! DID YOU SEE WHAT I SAW?

A TRUE CAUSE FOR ALARM

While watching the debate last evening between the nine candidates for the nomination for the Democratic party, I was struck by the differences between those people on the TV and the people that I interact with everyday. It wasn't just the level of rhetoric spoken by the participants, one expects that the parties in a contest must clarify the divisions separating each, but it was the level of unmitigated bias and hatred loaded in the questions posed by the supposed news journalist, the answers given, and the audience responses. It was not only shocking, but very sad.

There seemed to be a visceral hatred, and a deep gulf between what we think of America in general and what they think of Americans in particular.

They have honed the art of fear, knowing if they keep an uninformed populous in constant fear, and demonize the other side with lies and falsehoods, unharnessed by a willing accomplice in the free press, they know that in the minds of far too many, Fear wins. Healthcare, Social Security, War, Recession, Race..THEY ARE COMING!

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
-H. L. Mencken

Now please don't get me wrong, I am not a Milquetoast kind of guy on any issue, (HA!) but I am an eternal optimist by nature. It wasn't at all a surprise that I wouldn't agree with most, if any of the positions taken by every candidate on the Democrat ticket. Nor am I suggesting that all Democrats are un-American or anti-American because they disagree with me. I am afraid that we disagree on what are the most fundamental tenants of our form of government, natural law and a moral culture. They cloak their insidious message in a controlled dialogue, and feeding empty platitudes, like fairness, equality, inclusion, and diversity. When it is the very opposite that they practice.

"There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action."
-Johann von Goethe

There was an absence of pride in the tone of every speaker. There were no words of optimism, no claim of greatness on their part. Only lesser degrees of despair. At one point they argued over which one would take back the Bush tax refund money quicker, that the viewers had just received in the mail. Much to my shock, to the rousing applause of the audience. They couldn't articulate enough their utter disgust of our victory in Iraq, and their love of an international control of our sovereignty.

"The politicians don't just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless. When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both."
-James Dale Davidson

They fed the illusion, that we must take more from the Americans that produce, and give more domestically, and world wide, to whom they define as those in need.

"From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need."
-Karl Marx

They mocked our morals, and spat out the hatred of their President and Commander-in-Chief, knowing full well that our enemy combatants are watching and that their words were going to bolster their resolve. They would rather do nothing than fight for our safety, peace through passivity, appeasement, and swords into plowshares. Abandon the war, and de-fund the military. That is now, as it has always been, the recipe for war. They are a ship of hope that seems bound to be sunk by the enemy of opportunism.  No matter how earnestly we seek world peace there is always some war bent person, who's ideology and ambition that will kill peace in its infancy.

"To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace."
-President George Washington

We must ask ourselves, all Americans, the single most important question defining our most crucial national interest.  If Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong II, Adolf Hitler, or Joseph Stalin, had a choice of whom they wished would win the next presidential election, which would the choose? Any of the nine candidates vying for the Democratic nomination, or President George W Bush?

The bottom line is I believe we are at a crossroads in this great country, and the two party system is at least working better than we even imagined. The divide is crystal clear. The Democrats have figured out that the more they make us dependent, the more power they have to keep feeding the insatiable beast, more taxes from the hard workers, less payers to object. In the end game, everyone is a victim, and socialism, as it always has, will fail miserably, and so will we all.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury.
Alexander Tytler

The Republicans, for the most part, believe in the power of the people. However, to be elected, one must start with getting elected, and staying in power long enough to make the incremental changes to the betterment of all. But you have to get elected, and that sometimes is the Achilles heal of politics. Whom is saying what, to get in a position to do well, for the most, and which is a wolf in sheep's clothing?  That dilemma is fraught with danger, and we are more often sodomized that satisfied. Trust your instincts, but verify your conclusions.

Trust, but Verify
-President Ronald Reagan

But you must vote, and hope!

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."
-Plato

When we look at the results of every pole, and most elections.. it has a clear and defined separation between the givers and the takers, the can do, and the won't try. So far, we are winning, but only by a razor thin plurality.

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."
-Sam Ewig

And I, for the first time in my life, believe that I understand the pre War mentality. Stop it early, or suffer the regret, forever. I think I can see road signs, red flags, omens of history, beckoning us to beware of the danger ahead.

"History is a vast early warning system."
-Norman Cousins

The only thing that can bring the masses of those that will not educate themselves to the issues, or the consequences, is guidance and insistence. In that endeavor we can not be dissuaded. But should that fail, the only alternative is to out maneuver, overwhelm, and ultimately overtake.  Nothing short of the future of our Republic is at stake.

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
-George Santayana

We must be stronger in our resolve, quicker in our responses, definite in our purpose.

"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have."
-Margaret Mead

It is we, who must bring this country together, sooner rather than later. It is we, who must take control of events before we, and all of America, have events control our destiny. Our country is divided, and it is we, who must bring it together before it is too far gone and much too late to repair.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure permanently half-slave and half-free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved - I do not expect the house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other."
-President Lincoln

For those with the power of persuasion, must persuade! For those with the knack of organization, must organize! For those with the power of the purse, must spend for the cause.. donate!. And for all of us, VOTE, and VOTE, and VOTE, and VOTE!

"Live free or die."
-New Hampshire State Motto



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KEYWORDS: 2004; alarm; debate; elections; liberalism; politics
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To: staytrue
The part staytrue wrote about the audience lapping up the hate because it was mostly Morgan State students and teachers I agree with. But, I don't buy the generality that African-Americans as a whole buy into the hate.

A lot of Black kids get sent to all-Black colleges to connect with what they and their family think is their heritage. Many are middle and upper class and live in the suburbs or better areas of town. They have had good lives but feel they need to connect with their poorer brothers.

The connection is to adopt most of the bad and little of the good, hip hop clothes and speech, a tough attitude and hate for the "man." Colleges are the refuge of the 60's radicals and the ones at Black colleges have some of the worse Black Panther types. Put them and gullible kids together and you get an audience ready to cheer John Dean and his ilk.

Hopefully, when these kids graduate they return to their middle/upper class lives and see that making a buck and being good to family gets them the good life. Some may even see the light and vote Republican.

81 posted on 09/12/2003 8:55:53 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: carlo3b
While you watched the 'debate' (what a stretch to call THAT a debate), did you catch the asinine responses from some of the 'candidates'? Rush touched on these yesterday, the response by Kerry, for instance, that 'we need a president who will not write laws that ...'; if Kerry doesn't realize the president writes no laws, what will Kerry try to dictate from the Oval Office?
82 posted on 09/12/2003 9:00:43 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: RicocheT
Howard Dean, can't even name those unknowns properly.
83 posted on 09/12/2003 9:01:46 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: carlo3b
I think Rush Limbaugh actually nailed it. The Democratic Party these days is little more than a loose confederation of angry, nasty, hate-filled, anti-American, just plain loony groups. These candidates must sell their souls to appeal to such hatemongers..............hence, what you saw.

It's an incredibly sad statement about the status of the Democratic Party. They are SOOOOO far out in left field......so incredibly disconnected from "mainstream America".........that one can only pray that they become increasingly marginalized as more Americans truly begin to understand what these 'people' stand for.

84 posted on 09/12/2003 9:02:16 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Principled
I recall the debates in the 80's when Mondale came clean and stated he'd raise our taxes, to the applause of the worshipers.
He said it so he could cement his base. HA! He cemented more than his base, he sunk the Rat. party. When they lost, the same people the clapped at the thought he would soak them in taxes.. blamed him for the stunning defeat.. Go Figure.. LOLOL
85 posted on 09/12/2003 9:03:47 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: lysie; carlo3b
The dems lies are driving a wedge between families.

I'm sorry to hear of your sad experience. You are right in what you say, however.

One thing that stood out to me about the "debate" {cough} was that because it was broadcast on FOX, ..NONE of the other networks that I could see, in thier nightly news, even mentioned them ! It carried over to the next morning. I could have missed some, but searched back and forth, and found no one even mentioning the debate.

When you consider WE are paying attention, almost to excess, MOST of the country are not. Rush, Glenn Beck, et all are basically preaching to the choir, and if the press, both media and print, in magazines, newspapers, and local stations along with network and cable tout the Rat line, and say it over and over and over enough...those that are occasional viewers/readers/ grab onto the sound bite, and claim it.

The Rats are smart. They are unified. They are relentless...and sometimes we eat our own.

Keep standing for what is right..and keep loving your Daddy.

Carlo..listening to you brings calm to many. It's like wrapping up in a warm bathrobe and curling up in front of a fire on a crisp autumn day. Thank you.

86 posted on 09/12/2003 9:05:13 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: EggsAckley
It isn't all that new. Remember during the Clinton "regime" EVERYTHING was a CRISIS.

Given Clinton's loathing of absolutist vocabulary in general, anything could mean anything.

87 posted on 09/12/2003 9:05:56 AM PDT by MegaSilver (I miss high school...)
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To: carlo3b
Thank you again Carlo - you have wonderfully expressed what I could not articulate about my disgust with the participants in the debate.
88 posted on 09/12/2003 9:06:40 AM PDT by bluewater bird
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To: EternalVigilance
"The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out."
-Thomas B. Macaulay
89 posted on 09/12/2003 9:06:50 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: carlo3b
Great post! BTW, I would rather chew a jumbo-sized ball of tinfoil than watch these slack-jawed yokels "debate" each other. If one of them somehow gets elected the suicide rate will go through the roof everytime the state of the union address pre-empts regular programming.
90 posted on 09/12/2003 9:09:31 AM PDT by SquirrelKing ("I drank what?" - Socrates)
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To: stanz
 I loved the quote from Plato.

Hey cute stuff! He was one smart cookie, and so was this little Dude:

"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
-Albert Einstein

91 posted on 09/12/2003 9:14:06 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: carlo3b
And I, for the first time in my life, believe that I understand the pre War mentality. Stop it early, or suffer the regret, forever. I think I can see road signs, red flags, omens of history, beckoning us to beware of the danger ahead.

THANK YOU CARLO

Your words spoke of the many things I feel.

92 posted on 09/12/2003 9:18:53 AM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Semper Paratus
I believe that the election is likely to be rather thin (I don't know whether razor thin, but rather thin). We are two nations living in one geographical area. We no longer maintain common beliefs, goals, principles or aims. There is nothing left in common between the two major lines of thought, represented very roughly by our political parties.

We are very much as divided, and over a broader range of issues, as the country was prior to the Civil War -- it's just that the geography is not as clear, with the split being largely based on more-urban vs. less-urban areas.

There is half of the population that simply does not believe in the historical America, that is much more attuned with modern euro-socialism than traditional American free enterprise. That half does not believe in the right of nations to defend themselves from "freedom fighters" (terrorists) by taking offensive action. It does not subscribe to the idea of individual responsibility, nor does it wish to protect the freedom of individual action (unless that action relates in some way to sex). It's beliefs revolve around the general ideas of environmentalism, diversity, world citizenship, and the inherent "fairness" of socialist principles.

Because they are so close to half of the population, the days of overwhelming victories (like Reagan's in '84) are gone for the time being (until, perhaps, generational change swings the pendulum the other way, that is the hopeful thought anyway).

93 posted on 09/12/2003 9:29:19 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: lysie
The dems lies are driving a wedge between families.

I've noticed this in my family. For now I biting my tongue and trying not to get into a screaming match with them.

A few of my family member went at me one night .. I tried to have a rational discussion, but it didn't work

Finally I just said .. You keep waging that finger and believing the Dem lies and you'll end up with more then a BJ

94 posted on 09/12/2003 9:31:54 AM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: mallardx
God Bless people like you & Carlo for keeping weaklings like me informed LOL. We NEVER forget to vote. In fact, we always vote early just in case we should meet with an accident before election day. If dead democrats can vote....... ha ha
95 posted on 09/12/2003 9:34:14 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Arrowhead1952
Smart kids, foul mouthed, but smart. LOL
96 posted on 09/12/2003 9:35:56 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: carlo3b
The Best of the Web has been running famous sayings by Democrats, such as Roosevelt's, "You have nothing to fear but fear, itself." Rush paraphrased this yesterday, "The Democrats have nothing to offer but fear, itself.
97 posted on 09/12/2003 9:37:38 AM PDT by Eva
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To: theFIRMbss
Just curious,
but why
do you format
all of your
posts
this way?
98 posted on 09/12/2003 9:49:19 AM PDT by Charlie OK (If you are a Christian, please drive like one!)
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To: theFIRMbss
***Oh great! Now we must
puzzle out if everything
Thomas Jefferson

wrote was as stupid
and totally off the mark
as this one, dumb quote...***

I suppose you think that the Declaration of Independence was "stupid."

When speaking about newspapers, Jefferson also said that he loved the sound of freedom. Do you object to that, too?
99 posted on 09/12/2003 9:54:25 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: carlo3b

100 posted on 09/12/2003 9:56:31 AM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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