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Republicans, Let us Honor Abraham Lincoln Today
National Park Service ^ | 9/15/2003 | RepublianWizard

Posted on 09/15/2003 6:37:23 AM PDT by republicanwizard

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To: Grand Old Partisan
Besides, what makes you think that they wouldn't be fighting on the side of the Legislature?

Remember, there were a LOT of ex-US Army officers in the Confederate Army.
141 posted on 09/16/2003 2:14:22 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
The exact circumstance would be: If the Texas legislature votes to secede, would YOU shoot policemen and U. S. soldiers who try to prevent it?
142 posted on 09/16/2003 2:49:42 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
If my state voted legally to leave the union, and declared it's independence, AND the federal government tried to coerce it back thru force, AND if my state called upon me to defend it's rights.....YES, I would fight. Like Robert E. Lee, my highest duty is to my home FIRST. And my home is TEXAS. Now....would I agonize over such a decision. YES.....I love my country. But I love my home more.
143 posted on 09/16/2003 5:17:42 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: afz400
Wheeler's cavalry were the only adults, the rest were under-aged reserves of perhaps 14,000 troops - no match for the 62,000 Union troops.

I presume you think the Israelis should not shoot back if the Palestinians shooting at them happen to be teenagers? What would you do if a 16-year old shot at you? Ignore him?

In addition Sherman got General Grant to expel all Jews from his army. And Lincoln praised him.

I have never read that Grant's poorly worded order regarding Jewish merchants (not all Jews, since he had Jews who were soldiers) was at Sherman's instigation. Do you have proof of this? You also imply that Lincoln praised Grant (or possibly Sherman, your wording is a little vague) for issuing this order. In actual fact, Lincoln ordered Grant to reverse the order and publicly reproved him. He praised both generals because they won battles, not for any other reason.

He also was involved in the slaughter of Indians.

Amazing. When did participation in an Indian war become something to be tossed about by conservatives as iniquitous?

If so, you're going to have to denounce George Washington, Jeff Davis, Robert E. Lee and every other American soldier before the 20th century. Do you really want to do that?

Sherman was a railroad investor and he lobbied his brother, Senator John Sherman, to allocate federal funds for the transcontinental railroad.

Without such funds, the railroad would not have been built for several more decades. Was its construction a bad thing? Most of the funding was in the form of public lands which weren't worth much of anything until after the railroad was built.

144 posted on 09/16/2003 5:29:10 PM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: Restorer
Honest Abe was a statist pig that got what he had coming, though sadly, too late.
145 posted on 09/16/2003 5:35:18 PM PDT by Comus
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Every Confederate rebel was a Democrat.

Democrats then were far less socialistic than Republicans are now.

BTW, was lincoln, Thomas Lincoln's son? I know abe was Nancy Hanks' son.

146 posted on 09/16/2003 5:48:05 PM PDT by UncleDudley
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To: TexConfederate1861
If my state voted legally to leave the union

Which, of course, was the entire issue. At least 2 out of 3 American voters in 1861 did not believe it was possible for a state to legally secede. It is, of course, interesting that there was no attempt made to address the issue via legal terms by the secessionists.

147 posted on 09/16/2003 6:34:06 PM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: TexConfederate1861
Since it concerns OUR country, not yours, I wouldn't worry about it. We don't.

Normally I wouldn't care about the tyranny of the Davis regime, but you and your reb buddies constantly harp on the actions of President Lincoln (in 'my' country) while ignoring the illegal actions of the Davis regime (in 'your' country). Why does that concern you?

148 posted on 09/17/2003 3:40:04 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: UncleDudley
The Democrats were the pro-slavery party, and there's nothing more socialistic than slavery.
149 posted on 09/17/2003 6:54:35 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Because HIS actions effected MY country.....and my home
150 posted on 09/17/2003 1:38:43 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
The Democrats were the pro-slavery party, and there's nothing more socialistic than slavery.

Wrong. There's nothing more socialistic than slavery in a socialistic system. The USA had slavery within a capitalistic system. Slavery in the north and the South would have disappeared, like it did in all other slave countries of the era, because of the Industrial Revolution and new farm equipment. Slavery was no longer economical.

Today the USA has slavery because of socialism. And we are hopelessly locked into it. We are slaves to the IRS, Social Security, Federal regulations on business and commerce, slaves to the Federal courts, etc.

The slavery we live under now will become as bad or probably worse than any slavery in the USA of 150 years ago.

BTW, if lincoln had been allowed to package his methods of ending slavery, into a global vision, the death toll would have been staggering.

As it turned out, all other slave countries in the world, ended slavery at a conference table without firing one shot.

151 posted on 09/17/2003 5:18:02 PM PDT by UncleDudley
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To: TexConfederate1861
If my state voted legally to leave the union, and declared it's independence, AND the federal government tried to coerce it back thru force, AND if my state called upon me to defend it's rights.....YES, I would fight. Like Robert E. Lee, my highest duty is to my home FIRST. And my home is TEXAS. Now....would I agonize over such a decision. YES.....I love my country. But I love my home more.

My home is Georgia, and I share those sentiments. Kudos to you sir.

152 posted on 09/18/2003 5:49:57 AM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
No plan was hatched to send assassins to Washington to kill President Lincoln.

You need to have a talk with your good buddy, nolu-chan. He/she is a big follower of all those Lincoln assaination conspiracy theorists.

153 posted on 09/18/2003 5:59:41 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Thank you Sir....my ancestor was from Gainesville, GA, and fought with the 11th Georgia.....I cherish my roots, and know the state well!

I will never understand why some of these so-called conservatives can't see our viewpoint....
154 posted on 09/21/2003 11:32:23 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: republicanwizard

I remember Lincoln as a traitor to the republican virtue of sovereignty originating with the people and their inalienable right to reclaim that.

He should be remembered as a man who was no different then King George in his arrogant presumption that he had the right to rule a people against their will. The blood of 630+ thousand people is on that tyrants hands. As is the destruction of our once Free and Voluntary Federal Constitutional republic.


155 posted on 06/05/2011 6:22:24 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: 4CJ

“”If my state voted legally to leave the union, and declared it’s independence, AND the federal government tried to coerce it back thru force, AND if my state called upon me to defend it’s rights.....YES, I would fight. Like Robert E. Lee, my highest duty is to my home FIRST. And my home is TEXAS. Now....would I agonize over such a decision. YES.....I love my country. But I love my home more.”

My home is Georgia, and I share those sentiments. Kudos to you sir.”

My home State is also Texas and I also share that sentiment and resolution.


156 posted on 06/05/2011 6:38:36 PM PDT by Monorprise
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