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'Bible as hate speech' bill nearing vote
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 | By Art Moore

Posted on 09/17/2003 1:39:57 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

As some U.S. Supreme Court justices look abroad for guidance on cases related to homosexuality, Canada is set to vote on a bill opponents say would criminalize public expression against homosexual behavior.

Introduced by self-described "gay" House of Commons member Svend Robinson, the bill would add sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide and hate-crimes legislation.

As WorldNetDaily reported, opponents fear if the bill becomes law, the Bible will be deemed "hate literature" under the criminal code in certain instances, as evidenced by the case of a Saskatchewan man fined by a provincial human-rights tribunal for taking out a newspaper ad with Scripture references to verses about homosexuality.

The Parliament is scheduled to debate the bill tomorrow and likely will call a vote within the next few days. The legislation has the support of every provincial and territorial attorney-general in Canada.

The debate comes amid a battle over a government bill that would establish same-sex marriage. Yesterday, Parliament narrowly defeated a nonbinding motion reaffirming the heterosexual-only definition of marriage. The close margin in the Liberal Party-dominated House of Commons, 137-132, raised questions about whether the government bill would pass, especially if an election is called before it is brought to a vote.

Alan Sears, president of the Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund, a nonprofit legal group, says Americans should pay close attention to their northern neighbors.

"Why does what is going on in Canada matter?" he asked in an interview with WorldNetDaily. "Some of our own justices have already have told us they will be looking closely at how the 'wider civilization' handles these cases."

Sears notes Justice Stephen G. Breyer said in a recent interview with ABC News that the world is growing together through "commerce and through globalization" and we will find out in coming years how our Constitution "fits into the governing documents of other nations. …"

In a speech last month, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the U.S. Supreme Court is looking beyond America's borders for guidance in handling cases on issues like homosexual rights and the death penalty.

"Our island or lone-ranger mentality is beginning to change," Ginsburg said during a speech Aug. 2 to the American Constitution Society, a liberal lawyers group.

Justices "are becoming more open to comparative and international law perspectives," said Ginsburg, who cited an international treaty in her June vote to uphold the use of race in college admissions.

"While you are the American Constitution Society, your perspective on constitutional law should encompass the world," she told the group of judges, lawyers and students. "We are the losers if we do not both share our experiences with and learn from others."

In the landmark case that overturned Texas's ban on sodomy, Lawrence v. Texas, Justice Anthony Kennedy argued against the previous precedent regarding sodomy, Bowers v. Hardwick, noting the "case's reasoning and holding have been rejected by the European Court of Human Rights, and that other nations have taken action consistent with an affirmation of the protected right of homosexual adults to engage in intimate, consensual conduct."

Sears said the court's arguments in its "fabrication" of a "constitutional right to engage in sodomy" were so questionable that the court felt "compelled to appeal to European courts to justify the desired conclusion."

In his dissent of the Lawrence case, Justice Antonin Scalia with two colleagues said the court should not "impose foreign moods, fads or fashions on Americans."

Scalia wrote, "Constitutional entitlements do not spring into existence because some states choose to lessen or eliminate criminal sanctions on certain behavior. Much less do they spring into existence, as the court seems to believe, because foreign nations decriminalize conduct."

Religious defense?

Backers of Robinson's bill, C-250, argue statements against homosexual behavior for religious reasons are exempted in the current law. But opponents point out the law addressed by Robinson's amendment spells out three different types of actions or speech considered criminal, and only one can be excused by a religious defense. And even that one, opponents maintain, has not always held up in court, because its vagueness leaves wide discretion to judges.

The opponents argue the provincial human-rights commissions, which already include sexual orientation as a protected category, have penalized people for actions motivated by their conscientious objection to homosexual behavior.

As WorldNetDaily reported, a Saskatchewan man was fined for submitting a newspaper ad with citations of four Bible verses that address homosexuality.


Ad placed by Christian corrections officer in Saskatoon, Canada, newspaper

Under the provincial Human Rights Code, Hugh Owens of Regina, Saskatchewan, was found guilty along with the newspaper, the Saskatoon StarPhoenix, of inciting hatred and was forced to pay damages to each of the three homosexual men who filed the complaint.

The rights code allows for expression of honestly held beliefs, but the commission ruled the code can place "reasonable restriction" on Owens's religious expression, because the ad exposed the complainants "to hatred, ridicule, and their dignity was affronted on the basis of their sexual orientation."

If Robinson's bill passes, Owens and others would be considered criminals, subject to a jail sentence of up to two years in some cases and five years in others.

Two years ago, the Ontario Human Rights Commission penalized printer Scott Brockie for refusing to print letterhead for a homosexual advocacy group. Brockie argued that his Christian beliefs compelled him to reject the group's request.

In British Columbia, a teacher was suspended for making "derogatory and demeaning" statements against homosexuals, according to the judgment of a teachers association panel. Though none of the statements in question were made in class, the panel cited letters to a newspaper that indicated veteran teacher Chris Kempling's attitude could "poison" the class environment.

One Kempling letter cited by the panel said: "Gay people are seriously at risk, not because of heterosexual attitudes but because of their sexual behaviour, and I challenge the gay community to show some real evidence that they are trying to protect their own community members by making attempts to promote monogamous, long-lasting relationships to combat sexual addictions."

The teachers panel said it does not need to find direct evidence of a poisoned school environment to determine that a member is guilty of conduct unbecoming.

The panel said, "It is sufficient that an inference can be drawn as to the reasonable and probable consequences of the discriminatory comments of a teacher."

In another case, a Christian couple in Prince Edward Island chose to close down their bed and breakfast rather than be forced to condone homosexual acts under their own roof, according to the National Post.

Along with the human rights tribunals, the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council rules have been used to censure programs addressing homosexuality. In 1997, the council ruled that the airing of a James Dobson "Focus on the Family" program, called "Homosexuality: Fact and Fiction," violated the requirement that opinion, comment, and editorializing be presented in a way that is "full, fair, and proper."

The Vancouver teacher Kempling wrote a letter to the National Post last month, expressing his amazement that the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association would choose to side with the teachers against him, noting "not a single gay or lesbian person registered any complaint about what I wrote, either to my employer or the B.C. Human Rights Commission."

"Now I know how Galileo must have felt," he said. "When civil liberties groups act like Orwell's thought police, true democracy is in serious trouble."


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To: EUPHORIC
Satellite dishes aren't illegal. Direct TV is though. It's not Canadian owned so it can't be sold here, it doesn't stop people who want it though. All US broadcasts get over ridden with Canadian channels if they're showing the same program (no Super Bowl adds). There's not enough doctors for people because they can make more money in the US but our health care is "the best in the world". Alot of stupid stuff socialist crap. For some reason people who don't work and are in their 30's think that the government owes them a place to live, unfortunatly alot of politicians agree. Apparently 50% tax rate for the rich isn't making them pay "their fair share". This rate will depend on where in Canada you live and it may be lower here in BC now. There was a 25% tax cut (you pay 25% less, we weren't paying 75%) but only on provincial taxes and that's a smaller portion of income tax. You don't even want to hear about the gun laws. If you have a gun it has to be locked in a 400lbs or more safe or a proper gunsafe, whatever that is. I have looked at a few though and I know that about half of Glocks gun are illegal in Canda. I could tell you more about that but there's so much to say and I don't even know all the laws yet as I am only now old enough to get a gun.
21 posted on 09/17/2003 2:45:36 PM PDT by bitcon
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To: EUPHORIC
Canadian satellite companies are legal though, like StarChoice, ExpressVu and I think thats all we have.
22 posted on 09/17/2003 2:47:10 PM PDT by bitcon
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To: ArGee
"JACOB HAVE I LOVED BUT ESAU HAVE I HATED"
Romans 9:13

C.H. Spurgeon



WHY DID GOD LOVE JACOB AND HATE ESAU? I can tell you why God LOVED Jacob; IT IS SOVEREIGN GRACE! There was
nothing in Jacob that could make God love him; there was everything about him that might have made God hate him as
much as He did Esau, and a great deal more. But it was because God is infinitely gracious that He loved Jacob and
because He is sovereign in His dispensation of His grace that He chose Jacob as an object of that love. Jacob was loved
by God simply on the footing of FREE GRACE.

WHY DID GOD HATE ESAU? Why does God hate any man? I defy anyone to give any answer but this... because that man
DESERVES to be hated. No reply but that can be true. If God deals severely with any person, it is because that person
deserves all that he gets. Esau did not lose his birthright; he sold it. he sold it for a "mess of pottage." If any of you
want to know what I preach, it is this: "I preach salvation all of grace and damnation all of sin. I give God the
glory for every soul that is saved; and when I come to preach damnation, I say that damnation is of man."
23 posted on 09/17/2003 3:30:58 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: FlyVet
Ruth Bader (Meinhof) Gangsburg
24 posted on 09/17/2003 3:34:58 PM PDT by johnb838 (Deconstruct the Left)
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To: bitcon
I'm looking for anyway out to the US and I sure as hell don't want to get there and find another Canada forming.

Sorry to hear that. You better get here fast, because it looks like we're becoming a combination of Canada (Socialism) and Mexico (Aztlan Cesspool). I don't see anyone with the political will to turn this ship around, it's only a matter of whether it cruises, or goes full steam ahead.

25 posted on 09/17/2003 4:06:47 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet
I don't see anyone with the political will to turn this ship around

Doesn't have to be one person. As people here have said they feel civil war II is coming. After that the nation will go in whatever direction the winning side wants to take it. If ain't conservatives I'll already be dead.
26 posted on 09/17/2003 4:29:10 PM PDT by bitcon
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To: ArGee
"Apparently, saying that someone is wrong is tantamount to hating that someone."

There is no "wrong" anymore, just as there is no "truth". Everything is relative, all behavior and actions are "normal' for that "individual". There are no "absolutes" - saying there is an "absolute truth" is hate speech.

And if you do not like this philosophy - you had better pull your children out of public schools - today.
27 posted on 09/17/2003 4:40:12 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: bitcon
I think civil war is quite possible, somewhere down the road. At that point, it will be a matter of how many true patriots are left. It will be a bang, or a whimper, and I don't have the crytal ball to predict that one. Negativism aside, it's still a great place to live, and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. For now.
28 posted on 09/17/2003 4:51:26 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet
It's not just how many patriots are left but how well armed they are. It's not a great place to live, it's the best place to live.
29 posted on 09/17/2003 5:11:00 PM PDT by bitcon
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To: JohnHuang2
This is news?
Canada has considered the publishing or broadcasting Biblical prohibitions against homosexuality to be hate speech for years, and I've seen articles about people prosecuted for this.

I wonder if Canadians think their hate speech laws will be a defense on Judgement Day.

30 posted on 09/17/2003 5:16:28 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: bitcon
By the way, if you are an 18 yr old Canadian, as you say you are, are there many more up there in your age group who are able to think the way you do?
31 posted on 09/17/2003 6:50:48 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet
Yes. There's quite a few, most young Canadians don't think like me, or atleast speak out, but there's more then you'd expect. I have a few friends who also want to enlist but they're stuck like me with immigration. There's also another person from Freerepublic who lives in Alberta who want's to join and is having the same problem.
32 posted on 09/17/2003 7:03:35 PM PDT by bitcon
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To: JohnHuang2
"When civil liberties groups act like Orwell's thought police, true democracy is in serious trouble."

I disagree, I believe democracy is just around the corner....

33 posted on 09/17/2003 7:05:10 PM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: Porterville
Excellent!

Pithy and to the point!
34 posted on 09/17/2003 7:07:06 PM PDT by tet68
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To: truthandlife
is it really so bad that you want to get out of there?

Their gun control policies have cost umpteen times more than they had planned, and neighbors are allowed/encouraged to turn in neighbors for not turning in illegal guns...or not registering the ones they have.

Their socialized medicine is pretty bad I hear... I would say yeah, it's pretty bad. I sure wouldn't go there. I'd have to sell my new toy.

35 posted on 09/17/2003 7:18:59 PM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: bitcon
I wish you and your patriot friends godspeed, we can use all of you we can get. It's too bad it's such a hassle for you, who are trying to obtain citizenship legally, while our politicians not only look the other way for millions of illegals, but reward them for their lawbreaking.
36 posted on 09/17/2003 7:26:13 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet
Thanks. You wouldn't believe what I've been told by some INS people and politicians. Everything from your an illegal to I don't have time. I've even been told to talk to my representative. Difficult as I don't have one.
37 posted on 09/17/2003 7:51:39 PM PDT by bitcon
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To: txzman
And if you do not like this philosophy - you had better pull your children out of public schools - today.

By the grace of G-d I've been homeschooling for over 16 years.

Well, my wife has been homeschooling, but I help. :)

Shalom.

38 posted on 09/18/2003 6:33:44 AM PDT by ArGee (Hey, how did I get in this handcart? And why is it so hot?)
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To: JohnHuang2; newgeezer
This ought to be entertaining. Christianity needs some good ole fashioned persecution.
39 posted on 09/18/2003 6:35:20 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: JohnHuang2
Under the provincial Human Rights Code, Hugh Owens of Regina, Saskatchewan, was found guilty along with the newspaper, the Saskatoon StarPhoenix, of inciting hatred and was forced to pay damages to each of the three homosexual men who filed the complaint.
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Damages for what? Being made to feel guilty? Good grief? So in Canada I can file a complaint against liberals for making me feel bad? COOL. Oh crap wait, conservatives aren't a protected class...

Scary stuff folks, scary stuff.

This is outrageous on so many levels.
40 posted on 09/18/2003 6:46:56 AM PDT by glory
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