Posted on 09/23/2003 9:21:44 PM PDT by Destro
Memorial Is Vandalized
By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
BAKU, Azerbaijan, Sept. 23 — A memorial to British servicemen who died defending Azerbaijan's oil fields in World War I has been vandalized, a week after it was erected, the British Embassy here reported today.
The vandalism followed threats from groups that say the British forces should not be honored because Britain backed ethnic Armenian partisans against the Turks. A war in the 1990's between Armenia and Azerbaijan reawakened old animosities.
The monument is a series of stone slabs engraved with the names of the 47 British servicemen who died.
Therefore, Islam (in any form) is not compatible with the values of classical liberal Western democratic values.
20/09/2003 12:59
Baku Today
Representatives of some political parties and public organizations have appealed to Andrew Tucker, British Ambassador to Azerbaijan, in connection with erection of British military memorial on the Alley of Shehids. The authors are opposed to erection of the memorial to British soldiers, which in 1918 fought on the Armenian side "against Azerbaijani population of Baku and Turkish troops."
Aydyn Balayev, candidate of historical sciences, employee of National Academy's Archaeology Institute, said there are two viewpoints on this issue. From pure humanitarian viewpoint, erection of the monument is a widespread practice throughout the world. But why the memorial should erected on the Alley of Shehids, where Karabakh war victims have been buried? In this context, it would have been wrong to erect British military memorial on the Alley of Martyrs, said Balayev.
He said almost 1,000 British military headed by General Denstervile arrived in Baku at the invitation of Central Caspian government on August 4, 1918. General decided to sail from Baku on September 1, but authorities did not offer him such an opportunity promising to take down the ship with soldiers aboard.
British military did not take part in the September events and some of them died during the period from August to September. They were buried in the British garden near Arts Museum and the stele with British soldiers' names could be erected there, said Balayev.
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"Alley of Shehids (Martyrs)" So the Turkish genocide of the Armenians was a jihad after all.
What we must do is help to create an environment where sensible Islamic people can make their voices heard.
We do not have that obligation --- even a moral one: this is the responsibility of Mussulmans.
These kinds of militants no more represent Islam than people who commit acts of violence in the name of Christianity represent Christianity. And who would these people be?
Chirstianity did not have religious wars for a couple of centuries. The atrocitied of XXth centuries were commited by socialist atheists. Currently, of the 31 armed conflicts in the world, 29 are carried out by Mussulmans in the name of Islam.
Your moral equivalence of modern Christianity and Islam is invalid and unfair to Christians.
Is this vandalism related to that conflict? Is the attempt on Popes life related to the Pope placing his soldiers on the Saudi soil </ sarcasm>?
The failure to modernize made Mussulmans impotent, which in turn produced hatred of all things Western. This vandalism shows that quite well.
What the present-day idiots say about that cannot be related to the motives of those that lived a century ago.
Should we consider all the Palestians celebrating after 911 to be militants or just some good & misunderstood people? These people are worse than any rodents to ever inhabit the earth.
Like hell they don't ... pick up the Koran and start reading it. The militant ones are the ones properly observing the instructions in the Koran.
Islam is not a religion. It is totalitarianism masquerading as religion.
That is exactly the kind of generalization and intolerance I am talking about. For God's sake, you sound like a liberal when you say dumb, bigoted things like this.
That would be liberalism.
"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)
"Ye are the best of peoples evolved for mankind." (Koran 3:110)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"Not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Koran 5:51)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them [infidels]" (Koran 8:65).
Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)
"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)
Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14).
"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)
"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"strike off the heads of the disbelievers" (Koran 47:4)
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
"You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " (Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)
The Prophet killed the men of the Jewish tribe Bani Quraiza (some 600 to 800 of them) and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims All the other Jews of Medina were exiled. (Bukhari 5:59:362)
The Prophet had the date-palms of the Jewish tribe of Bani-Al- Nadir burnt and cut down. "It was with Allah's permission" (Koran 59:5)
The Prophet said to Sa'd, :The Bani Quraiza have agreed to accept your verdict" Sa'd said, "Kill all their men and take their women and children as slaves" The Prophet replied, "You have judged according to God's Judgment" (Bukhari 5:59:447)
"The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29)
These are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them." (Sura 9:30)
"Unbelievers are those who say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished." (Surah 5:73)
Jesus died to save you from your sins. Mohammed would have you murdered for yours.
Recognizing evil for what it is does not constitute bigotry. Take that label and shove it.
Not in this case. To start with, those British servicemen were not defending Armenians - the British did not defend the Armenians during the Turkish genocide - they were defending Azerbijani oil fields. Recent events, which have brought British troops back to the Middle East to defend oil fields, have stirred up ill feeling.
Also, get your facts right about Israel, Turkey and the Armenian genocide. Israel is allied with Turkey, and its goverment has a policy of disavowing the massacres of the Armenians.
PLO - Islamic Terrorists
PFLP - Islamic Terrorists
Black September - Islamic Terrorists
Fatah - Islamic Terrorists
Islamic Jihad - Islamic Terrorists
Hizbollah - Islamic Terrorists
Hamas - Islamic Terrorists
Yasser Arafat - Islamic Terrorist
Osama bin Laden - Islamic Terrorist
What is common to all of these events? A proper observation of the tenets of Islam.
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