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Debate Terminates Arnold
SEPT 24 2003 | tomasUSMC

Posted on 09/24/2003 8:55:31 PM PDT by TomasUSMC

Tom wins Recall Debate. Camejo a close number 2. Bustamonte way back in third. Arnold and Ariana locked in death wrestling match dead last.

Tom crushed the competition today, well everyone except for the green party guy who kept repeating something that for some reason no one could counter - that the rich in California pay a lower tax rate than the rest. Humm. Some of the knockout hammer slaps issued by Tom where, for example, the ONLY statement opposing Illegal immigration- " .. we have millions willing to abide by our immigration laws but, Illegal Immigration is tantamount to cutting in line. Another crushing blow by Tom was:" People are taking their families and companies from beautiful California to the middle of the desert because of the Davis administration. Wow. He was the only one who even pronouned the words Pro Life, all the others where silent, except for Bustamonte who stated he was pro-choice. And then putting the last nail in Arnolds coffin, Tom stated in his closing remarks: He was the only one to pledge - No tax increase and also to cut spending.

Arnold showed complete disrespect to the debate process. Constantly interrupting Bustamonte and Arianna and engaging in Personal attacks on both of them. (Clearly Arianna attacked him personally also.) Arianna stated it well, "Ok Arnold, lets see which person with a foreign accent can speak loudest." If he thinks he'll be able to shout down all of them in Sacramento, he's nuts. During one of the Arnold/huffington skirmishes, Adriana told Arnold that is much ballyhood Help the Children Program that Arnold helped pass was nothing but a publicity stunt because it was not funded. Arnold then cut his own throat by replying that the bill had a spending trigger that would only activate once the budget woes were taken care of. Well, that means that his precious little bill will never get a cent! If he felt so strongly about the chlildren he would not have supported that spending trigger.

Its clear all the media is for Arnold. He was the only one given time after the debate on all the channels to explain how he felt after the debate. And Arnold may have realized he had not done well when he said that he hoped to work with Tom in Sacramento. That's if Tom will have him.


TOPICS: Political Humor/Cartoons; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bustamante; california; debate; mcclintock; recall; schwarzenegger
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To: StockAyatollah
McClintock is great but he can't even win a poll on FR. So how do you think he'll do in Commiefornia?

Great point.

51 posted on 09/24/2003 9:28:14 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: NYC Republican
A **very** interesting proposition, but, sadly, if one employs capital to WIN, as opposed to gambling, one cannot wager on your proposition, even as creative as it is, without some considerable odds.

FReegards!

52 posted on 09/24/2003 9:28:50 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Hildy
I agree. All arguments about Rhinos aside, the real winner tonight was the GOP. The two R candidates made a classy team when compared to any of the others. I believe that if either of them withdrew the other would pick up the majority of his votes, resulting in a Republican victory. But, one of them has to drop out or all is lost. Which one will it be?
53 posted on 09/24/2003 9:29:27 PM PDT by lonevoice
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To: All
According to FNC (one of their reporters in CA) and Alan Colmes, Issa is set to endorse Schwarzenegger in the morning.
54 posted on 09/24/2003 9:29:37 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Forward all complaints to http://www.toofreakingbad.com)
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To: Constructionist
I have been looking for this comment startinbg with no.1. It took 27 to get here.

Camejo? In second place? This proves that the poster has his head so far up his heinie he has to be careful not to smile.
55 posted on 09/24/2003 9:31:10 PM PDT by John Valentine (In Seoul, and keeping one eye on the hills to the North...)
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To: Kevin Curry
Tom's principled stands terrify them.
56 posted on 09/24/2003 9:31:19 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Issa is set to endorse Schwarzenegger in the morning.

Yup. Was a foregone and telegraphed conclusion, UNLESS Arnold did horrible in the debate, and Arnold didn't. Issa wants Tom to be IN the Arnold administration, not the man who prevented it.
57 posted on 09/24/2003 9:32:38 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Hildy
I'll take you up on that offer...How about $100?

Sure. If McClintock wins I'll send FreeRepublic $100. If he loses you do.

58 posted on 09/24/2003 9:32:39 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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To: TomasUSMC
LOL, I don't think so. Better start practicing saying "Governor Schwarzenegger," that is what is coming in less than two weeks.
59 posted on 09/24/2003 9:34:32 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: TomasUSMC
I do think Tom did a better job at the debate and I would rather see him as governor... (here comes the but) BUT I think it's time we respect that the choice of the majority of the Republicans in this state is Arnold. I've already mailed in my ballot for him.
60 posted on 09/24/2003 9:34:38 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: TomasUSMC
Arnold did not lose this debate. I'd say it was pretty close between him and Tom.

Arianna Huffington's precence helped him more than anything he could have said. The woman is so completely insufferable that she drives people away from her political positions by her horrid personality and voice.

Airheadiana's voice is five times worse than the whining of a drunken ex-wife. She is so utterly repulsive that it's no wonder her former hubby started batting on the other side of the plate.
61 posted on 09/24/2003 9:34:42 PM PDT by GulliverSwift (Recall the media)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
GO LARRY GO......

Oh, shucks...... that's FL senator isn't it.......
63 posted on 09/24/2003 9:36:01 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport
LOL
64 posted on 09/24/2003 9:36:50 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Forward all complaints to http://www.toofreakingbad.com)
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To: Williams
Dear all: The mere fact that you are discussing the pros and cons of the TWO republican candidates means we are DEAD. Have fun debating Tom vs. Arnold right up to the Bustamante victory. We can not afford to have the republican primary in the general election. It won't work in any state.

Amen!

65 posted on 09/24/2003 9:37:34 PM PDT by Davea
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Tom was very boring, very competent, very and refereshingly firm on his principles. He will never get beyond his core vote and attract enough to win. All he will do is elect Bustamante. I continue to be truly amazed at conservatives who would rather turn over the state to someone far to the left of Davis. In the end, McClintock -- who you will find in non-website polls did NOT win the debate -- will be the Ross Perot candidate who elected Bustamante...and propelled him to a larger role within the Democratic party. And GWB will not have the slightest chance or hope in CA in 2004 (which looks already bad for him). But many in my state GOP insist this is the way it must be, which is why they elected Davis in the last election, putting up Simon, the most incompetent party candidate since the unlamented Mike Dukakis (whose wife was Kitty Litter Dukakis).
Watch the polls and analysis apart from conservative websites and programs. I suspect you will not find many saying McClintock won or dominated the debate. But he may have done well enough for HIS supporters not to abandon him, and elect Bustamante.

66 posted on 09/24/2003 9:37:49 PM PDT by jraven
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To: DouglasKC
Cruz got Rhetoric...tough to beat unless you actually talk about issues...:o)
67 posted on 09/24/2003 9:37:57 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: TomasUSMC
Did anybody else think that Arianna wants to have sex with Arnold?

During one of the other debates (the first I think), I was sure she wanted to have sex with Cruz.

A lusty woman, that greek goddess is!
68 posted on 09/24/2003 9:38:18 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: pogo101
Along with Darryl Issa and me :P
69 posted on 09/24/2003 9:39:15 PM PDT by GulliverSwift (Recall the media)
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To: TomasUSMC
Clueless in Michigan
70 posted on 09/24/2003 9:39:52 PM PDT by bootyist-monk (Thunder makes all the noise; lightning gets the job done)
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To: goldstategop
I can't believe you're placing any sort of faith in a silly online poll on Blowhard O'Reilly's Web site.
71 posted on 09/24/2003 9:43:54 PM PDT by GulliverSwift (Recall the media)
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To: jraven
I think we have to take McClintock at his word that he won't pull out of the race. That doesn't mean that he will continue to pull his current percentage in the polls, however. He did not go after Arnold in the debate -- if he thought he could leapfrog the pack, he probably would have. Now it isn't so much whether he will withdraw or not, but whether he will continue the tone of the debate (stay with his issues) or go after Arnold with "red meat" attacks.

I suspect he will stick with his debate tone for the rest of the election, and give Arnold a pass -- tacitly allowing the late bleed-off of some of his support to Arnold.

Just a guess because obviously I have no idea what is in McClintock's mind...but regardless, I don't think that McClintock remaining in the race will necessarily throw the race to Busta. It could, sure, but the liklihood from tonight is that Arnold will win anyway, albeit a close race, because the unions will ensure that Democrats get as much of their base out as will tolerate Busta -- which isn't all of it, for sure.

72 posted on 09/24/2003 9:45:41 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: HitmanNY
Arianna is a climber.

If Gary Coleman were to look as though he might win the election, Arianna would find a way to hump the little bastard before the election, and try to become California's first lady.

73 posted on 09/24/2003 9:45:54 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: pogo101
Sorry, nothing about a lazy eye but meant the bug eyes staring straight ahead never moving and never blinking. Ick, nightmares tonight.
74 posted on 09/24/2003 9:48:41 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: TomasUSMC
As Bill O'Reilly would say, knock of the spin. This also is a no spin zone. Someone cut off this guy's keyboard.
75 posted on 09/24/2003 9:49:58 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: mtbopfuyn
McClintock is not telegenic. Sad, but true.
76 posted on 09/24/2003 9:50:03 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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To: Pukin Dog
I can't believe you said that. LOL
77 posted on 09/24/2003 9:50:24 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Forward all complaints to http://www.toofreakingbad.com)
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To: ambrose
Nope. Arnold won on style, Tom won on substance.

I agree too.

78 posted on 09/24/2003 9:51:33 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Hey thanks, but why for Gods sake didn't someone call him on it?
79 posted on 09/24/2003 9:52:51 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (from tomasUSMC FIGHT FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: jraven
Tom was very boring, very competent, very and refereshingly firm on his principles. He will never get beyond his core vote and attract enough to win.

Another good point. The reality is that far more voters don't care about this than do. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it's reality. Image is everything to many voters. Proof of that is every time a Clinton is elected.

80 posted on 09/24/2003 9:53:54 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: TomasUSMC
Cruz Bustamante 26%
Arianna Huffington 4%
Tom McClintock 20%
Arnold Schwarzenegger 31%
Peter UN Camejo 19%

Poll

81 posted on 09/24/2003 9:55:58 PM PDT by Major_Risktaker
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To: jraven
If you want to corrupt the republican party from the inside out, you just put up a candidate like Arnold. He is " the only republican who can win". Once he gets in, the republican platform will be tilted leftward so that the more centrist can relate.

I have news for you. The centrists are the leftists from the old days and the leftists are unabashed communists(like camejo). Do you really want the republican party to become a tool of the leftists as the democratic party has? We need to vote on principle and not fall for the leftist scare rhetoric that a vote for McClintock is a vote for Bustamonte. That is pure and simple leftist propaganda meant to scare people into voting a certain way instead of encouraging them to vote on principle.
82 posted on 09/24/2003 9:56:26 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: TomasUSMC
why for Gods sake didn't someone call [Camejo] on it?

Because Camejo is irrelevant. The only thing that Tom and Arnold might have done is to point out that "Camejo, Cruz and Arianna all agree, Californians: Your taxes are too LOW. Funny. I think they're too HIGH."
83 posted on 09/24/2003 9:58:11 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: mtbopfuyn
(re lazy eye) OK, no offense taken in any event. I have seen a lot of references to Tom's slight cross-eyed-ness ... and it's just silly. If one wished to say "It's irrelevant to me, but some superficial voters might actually care," I guess that's a little bit of an issue.
84 posted on 09/24/2003 9:59:18 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: TomasUSMC
My glib observations...

Arnold was amazing; I didn’t think he had it in him to hit back at that shrill witch as well as he did. He had the best one liners, a smooth (for Arnold) delivery and a commanding presence compared to the rest. His answers were gauged to please as many people as possible, not specify in detail what goes where, not the right forum for that. Hit this Debate out of the park

knews hounds prediction; Arnold rises to near plurality in the votes and the Election is almost over.

Tom was good, but tended to do the AlGore thing with "I proposed this legislation" or "as you know I led the opposition to that proposal" and tended to get bogged down in details. He is doing a white paper, not a dissertation. That being said, his common sense answers on immigration sounded more grounded in common sense than the others.

knews hounds prediction; Tom drops 3 points in polls, stays in race. Commits political suicide in the process.

Bustamonte was long winded, a smooth, practiced, politician that reassured only the illegal immigrants in the crowd. His syrup smooth delivery and nonthreatening manner spell doom for him in the election.

knews hounds prediction; stays in office until dumped in last election by Dem Machinery. Pensioned off to obscure Dem dominated panel or commission.

Huffington was amazing, not quite aware that she was not drinking coffee with her fellow members of the local "cell" she went off on the Bush administration and not Davis. The one and only time I saw the Moderator specifically give time to respond to a personal attack was from that harpy and Arnold ate her alive. She played the class warfare angle well for her side, and almost seemed to make some sort of sense until you thought about it. In the end, she seemed to be just a minor distraction, every circus needs a clown.

knews hounds prediction; she takes her 1% showing in the general election as a mandate to switch sides completely to the Dems, goes on talking head shows to deride huge Bush conspiracy in Calif election.

Camejo was the comic relief. His message of Corporate criminality must have been a real eye opener to every Contractor, Supplier or Vendor to the state who would have to think long and hard before doing business with an administration that was literally gunning for them. His semi-Alliance with the Shrew was revealing in itself and he was unyielding in his application of more nanny state socialism doomed him.

knews hounds prediction; has the Howard Dean vote sewn up. Polls his usual 3% and is from here on referred to as "former Gubernatorial Candidate, Peter Camejo" which gives him additional dignity in the eyes of the public to spew more Final Solutions to the States problems.

I call em as I see em.

Cheers,


knews hound
85 posted on 09/24/2003 9:59:49 PM PDT by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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To: Porterville
McClintock will not withdraw; he could have burried Arnold tonight but he held back.

I agree. McClintock has seen the writing on the wall. He knows that Issa is coming out for Arnold tomorrow. I think he believes that his voters are smart enough to switch to Arnold if its a choice between Arnold and Bustamante. He's just not going to pull his name from the race. Its too late anyway. The ballot is printed. But if he was serious about fighting Arnold tooth and nail all the way to the election, he would have hit Arnold much tougher than he did. He went after Davis and the Dems much more tonight. I underestimated the guy.

86 posted on 09/24/2003 10:01:19 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Porterville
Tom didn't hold back. He crushed Arnold on the loaded Illegal Immigration question. But hey you support Illegal Immigration. Tom smelted the terminator on Pro Life, Arnold was silent on that, but maybe your for killing unborn babies. Tom came out in favor of the 2nd Amendment, Arnold was to busy playing games with his girl friend, but then you are probably against the 2nd amendment. Which must be why you are for Arnold. I am ProLife, ProGun, Anti- Illegal Immigrant and the only person at the debate like that was Tom.
87 posted on 09/24/2003 10:03:53 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (from tomasUSMC FIGHT FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: vbmoneyspender
Yep, I think so also. Tom should have defended Bush right away, but I do think Arnold did get after that woman at least once when she mentioned Bush, although he might have been a little too out of breath to reply forcefully.
88 posted on 09/24/2003 10:09:44 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (from tomasUSMC FIGHT FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: TomasUSMC
maybe your for killing unborn babies

Dead babies!!! Dead babies!!! Dead babies!! Damn your shrill, you sure you are a marine and not a Navy man???

89 posted on 09/24/2003 10:11:44 PM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: NYC Republican
Now that would be a real victory. Republicans winning placing 2nd, and the dem third.
90 posted on 09/24/2003 10:13:53 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (from tomasUSMC FIGHT FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: Afronaut
I thought Arnold appeared a little ill-at-ease, and somewhat pressured, especially for an actor. But I am comparing him to McClintock who really seemed cool and together and looked like he should be Governor. Based on how he handled himself and clearly distinguished his positions from the others, McClintock was the winner.
91 posted on 09/24/2003 10:20:35 PM PDT by Dusty Rose
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To: TomasUSMC
Your punditry is on life support.
92 posted on 09/24/2003 10:21:31 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: TomasUSMC
Goes like this; dimocrats,and other non-thinkers just LOVE
the "Pop Culture".
This whole thing is about Pop Culture.

Bottomline; Tom ain't got it. Arnold is nothing but.
93 posted on 09/24/2003 10:26:05 PM PDT by Pompah
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To: Pukin Dog
"If Gary Coleman were to look as though he might win the election, Arianna would find a way to hump the little bastard before the election, and try to become California's first lady."

Well I was leaning towards Arnie or Tom but might switch to Gary Coleman just to see this combination!

If Arnie and Tom both stay in the race maybe we should vote No on the recall and Yes on Arnie, like Issa suggests?

94 posted on 09/24/2003 10:26:08 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Good post and take I suspect.
95 posted on 09/24/2003 10:27:17 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Porterville
Yes I am sure. What are you sure of?
96 posted on 09/24/2003 10:27:42 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (from tomasUSMC FIGHT FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: TomasUSMC
Oh good, a really well-written, worthwhile, well-reasoned vanity............oh, nevermind.

Keep the day job...................NEXT!

97 posted on 09/24/2003 10:29:10 PM PDT by Petronski (Pummeluh pummeluh pummeluh)
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To: Roscoe
so you actually believe mcclintock will stay in after tonight's debate?

I think he is out of there... he's gone. In fact, I would like him to stay in till some time next week..
and if not, Arnie will still win.

Tom is not electable. That has been the common wisdom for weeks.

98 posted on 09/24/2003 10:37:35 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (robert the rino...)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
so you actually believe mcclintock will stay

You want to play "chicken" with Tom McClintock?

99 posted on 09/24/2003 10:40:31 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Robert_Paulson2
so you actually believe mcclintock will stay in after tonight's debate?

Yes -- but remember that McClintock has stated in numerous interviews that (I'm paraphrasing), "There's no need for me to drop out because, if my supporters believe that it's more important to stop Cruz than to elect me, then they'll do THAT on their own, without my needing to drop out."
100 posted on 09/24/2003 10:42:20 PM PDT by pogo101
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