Some see actor as star for GOP if elected governor - But they worry how successful he'll be in post

SFGate.com ^ | 10/3/03 | Carolyn Lochhead - SF Chronicle

[NormsRevenge]

Washington -- A growing giddiness is enveloping Washington Republicans about the prospect that the mother lode of national politics may lie within their grasp, just in time for the 2004 presidential election.

But this joy is tempered by considerable doubt about just what they might be getting in Arnold Schwarzenegger, who remains an unknown commodity -- and whose admission Thursday that he "behaved badly" toward women in the past strikes the wrong note for a party that trumpets family values and historically has not done well with female voters.

[68 grunt]

I ain't worried, he's gonna win without the help of the x-tremes, but golly, a mandate would be really nice! Put more fear into the demoncraps!

[68 grunt]

Watch your back, they're about to bend us over.

There is a brutish diddle regarding inevitability, but rather, if this is inevitable shouldn't we make the most of it? Join me in the joy of faith. I firmly believe that we will not be let down. It is a time of rebirth and evolution, evolution so rapid it broaches revolution. Now is not the time for fear, now is the time for strength.

[68 grunt]

Rather than speculate that 'all conservatives are losers', I see more that the x-tremists will be isolating themselves, marginalizing and losing even more of their voice.

[68 grunt]

Norm, on Fox, right now, Arnie, the people love him, he inspires them. You should not be so cynical. Get aboard! It feels great.

[Sabertooth]

I appreciate the sentiment, but like McClintock, while I find Arnold likable, I'm skeptical of his team.

He'll get the same honeymoon any other politician gets, but I'll be carrying petitions to overturn SB60, and ready to oppose him when he attempts to carry out his stated intentions on Illegals.

[Consort]

The "unintended" strategy might just work:

By staying in the race, McClintock balanced the opposition; two Republicans against two Democrats. In the battle between Liberals and Conservatives, Tom is the Conservative and Davis/Bustamente are the Liberals. This allowed Arnold to claim the vast middle ground where most of the votes are, IMO, and may have allowed a GOP win next Tuesday.

[Hoverbug]

So McClintock is an extremist in your eyes?

Hb

[68 grunt]

Not at all. The x-tremes are the intolerant ones who seem so hatefilled. McX was my kinda guy, before I saw the light, but now, gheese, I'm questioning his mental condition.

[Hoverbug]

Oh.

But answer the original question. Couldn't a landslide be promoted as proof that Arnold is exactly the kind of candidate conservatives want, and anyone more conservative than Arnold "just can't win" in California.

The question is if it could be promoted that way, not how you think it will be promoted.

Hb

[DoughtyOne]

I appreciate the sentiment, but like McClintock, while I find Arnold likable, I'm skeptical of his team.

He'll get the same honeymoon any other politician gets, but I'll be carrying petitions to overturn SB60, and ready to oppose him when he attempts to carry out his stated intentions on Illegals.

At this point I don't even find him likeable. I do like his eternal optimism, but his despicable personal traits are something I cannot support in any way shape or form.

When the time comes to oppose some of his policies, you'll have more company than you think. I'm not following him blindly. I don't think many are.

We have what I think are some of the worst choices between leading candidates that we've ever had here in California. That is not doubt as a result of the CRP and the RNC. I won't forget it.

I have to vote for the better of the two candidates that I think can win. I cannot morally back either of them, but one is a little better IMO. Holding my nose doesn't begin to explain it, but here I am none the less.

[ambrose]

I am not trying to be in the least bit annoying or provocative when I ask this... I am just genuinely curious. Why are you disgusted with the revelations reported by the LA Times now, but were willing to shrug off the same or similar revelations that I had reported on this forum back in August?

My disgust with Arnold's morality was expressed back then. NOW, I am mostly disgusted with the LA Slimes for doing a last minute hit after all other viable candidates have effectively been eliminated from the race. The Slimes is setting this up as another "lesser evil" "go with the devil you know" choice which Grayout has a chance of winning at.

[DoughtyOne]

To be honest I don't remember the specifics of your posts in August. Were they more generalized or did you have names and specifics? I just don't recall.

If they were generalized I don't know exactly how to deal with them. If they did have specifics, I'm still faced with the reality that nobody filed charges, or the things he did didn't reach the level of criminality.

I've always dispised men who acted the way this guy is described as acting. In my experience in life though, the women generally make noise about these guys, then forgive and forget and choose them over the nice guys. There's something about that bad-boy thing that women really go for. I've seen this happen countless times with single women into their early thirties. What am I supposed to make of that?

Now I don't say this happens in all cases, but enough to really screw with the minds of young men who try to treat women with respect, only to lose out to these a--holes in direct competition.

What I have to deal with now is whether the public is going to buy into these reports. If they don't, I'm still faced with either supporting him or just turning the keys over to Bustamante.

I know you guys disagree with me, but I am not convinced Tom could have beaten Cruz in a head to head match-up. There have been articles and posts proposing that on the forum. I've never seen a credible presentation that took all things into consideration and revealed it was possible.

[ambrose]

Here's some examples of what was posted back then:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/973370/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/973398/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/973494/posts

If you have the stomach to read them, you will see that many of the Slimes charges are actually nothing more than a regurgitation of these old charges.

The fact is that women quite often go for the "brutes". Look at how infatuated the Feminazi hags were with Clinton. I bet many of the women complaining about Arnold now enjoyed it then, and it was consensual. I am sure others coming forward are just making it up in a stampede of "copycat" allegations (one accuser was verified to be a member of a Marxist Feminazi group called "Code Pink"). And I am sure he was a damn pig with others. It is impossible to sort out what's true and not true, but as Arnold states "where there's smoke, there's fire"...

Maybe Tom didn't have a chance. WHO knows... but Peter Ueberroth certainly had a chance without Arnold in the race. The Slimes' decision to bring this out at the 11th really is a stab in the eye of the voters.

Bustamecha is no longer a factor in this. At this point, it is either Arnold or Davis. At least that's how it appears by all accounts. Tom will get 10 to 15% On the other hand, 10 to 15% of the "no" voters won't vote for a replacement. I think that cancels things out.

Bottom line is that this last minute Puke Politics needs to be repudiated. All of the last minute sliming, especially on Hitler, has actually made me consider switching to Arnold for the first time since this race began.

[Sir Valentino]

All of the last minute sliming, especially on Hitler, has actually made me consider switching to Arnold for the first time since this race began.

Do it! *REMEMBER* a vote for *McCLINTOCK* is *REALLY* a vote for the *DAVIS/BUSTAMANTE REGIME*.

[DoughtyOne]

Did you know that NOW has been quite vocal on Schwarzenegger? Coupled with their silence on Clinton, there's all you needed to know about that organization.

Stick with Tom if that's what your concience has been telling you. We knew the sliming would come. I know the Hitler thing was a low blow, but that shouldn't pull you off your guy if you think he's better, and that is the overriding thing for you.

These women that have come forward have a right to be upset. I would have thought a lot more of them if they came out in public when these instances took place.

Schwarzenegger admitted to some of the activity. His appology while nice, is no blanket amnesty from me. Was what he did criminal? It may not have been. It was abysmal none the less.

I'll check out those links. Thank you.

[ambrose]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=106&e=1&u=/nypost/20031004/cm_nypost/sexlieshiddenagendas


Apart from the testimony of the groping victims, both of whom were convincing, the most honest thing I heard came from film producer and Codepink activist Patricia Foulkrod.





She admitted that Bill Clinton (news - web sites)'s sexual peccadilloes were as inexcusable as Arnold's.


"The difference is that Clinton was so brilliant," she said.


"If Arnold was a brilliant pol and had this thing about inappropriate behavior, we'd figure a way of getting around it. I think it's to our detriment to go on too much about the groping. But it's our way in. This is really about the GOP trying to take California in 2004 and our trying to stop it."

[DoughtyOne]

Admitting that Clinton's sexual picadilloes were as bad as Arnold's, is the same as saying a brutal rapist's actions are as bad as a groper's. Sorry, but I hardly think that is honest.

Let's say that you are able to block the GOP from taking California in 2004, what will that gain you?

Go ahead and expand on that a bit.

[ambrose]

I am quoting from an article. The point being that the Feminazis coming out against Arnold don't even care about women being harassed. It is about partisan politics. They say so themselves!

That's why Susan Estrich is so upset about the LA Slimes story. Estrich feels that turning harassment into nothing more than a political club makes it more difficult for women who have genuinely been assaulted to be taken seriously.

[DoughtyOne]

Well I thought my comments on the comparison were pretty accurate. As for Susan, wasn't she most miffed about the late release of this data?