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Now China is sending a man into space. Why?
International Herald Tribune ^ | October 10, 2003 | Joan Johnson-Freese, U.S. Naval War College

Posted on 10/11/2003 2:57:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

The writer is chairwoman of the National Security Decision Making Department at the U.S. Naval War College.

NEWPORT, Rhode Island As the countdown clock ticks away, best-guesses have set the Chinese launching of their first taikonaut, or yuhangyuan, into orbit on or around Oct. 15, 2003. The date, however, is still uncertain since the Chinese always maintain some ambiguity to save face if difficulties occur. The Shenzhou V - "Divine Vessel" - capsule will be launched into orbit by a Long March (CZ) 2F rocket. The event will make China the third country in the world to have a manned space capability, joining the exclusive club of the United States and Russia.

The Chinese space program is an ambitious one. It is also one which has generated concern and questions in the United States and throughout the world.

. First, why are the Chinese pursuing a manned space program? China said in 2000 that space activity is an integral part of the state's comprehensive development strategy. But manned space activity is both high-risk and high-cost, so why go down that road?

. Some American analysts see China's manned space activity as a Trojan horse within which they can conceal their military space activities. Others see it as a prestige program, enhancing domestic legitimacy for the government and regional leadership, and ranking China internationally "with the big boys." The U.S. Apollo program, for example, had multiple goals: reaching the moon in the cold war race against the Soviets (with a military spillover), as well as employing lots of Americans and improving their technological skills and education along the way. There is considerable evidence that the Chinese seek the same objectives.

. The second question often asked is, "How much are they spending on their program?" Though the Chinese do not release budget figures, estimates from U.S. analysts are about $2.2 billion annually. What can one conclude from that figure, especially when compared with NASA's $15 billion budget? The answer is, nothing. The comparison is meaningless when one considers China's command economy, difficulties with currency conversion and the fact that China deliberately over employs people in state-owned enterprises to keep unemployment down.

. The best that can be said, based on their commitment to the program, is that China is spending relatively significant government resources. Interestingly, the same factors that make comparisons impossible may also enable China to maintain the political will to develop space stations, lunar bases, and even missions to Mars - goals that China has publicly stated it wants to pursue. Ultimately, however, political will can only be sustained by one thing - success.

. The will to succeed raises the third question: Will the first manned launching of the Shenzhou V be successful? Are the Chinese merely copying the technology of the United States and Russia? What would a successful launching mean in terms of gauging Chinese technical - read military - capabilities? .

But if the Chinese are able to pull this off, it will mean that they have achieved very complex levels of rocket engineering; otherwise, the exclusive club would likely not be so exclusive. .

Contradictory assessments on what success would mean militarily lead to an important question that has not been asked so far: What will be the reaction of the American public to a successful Chinese manned space launching? Washington was surprised by the public's stunned response to Sputnik. Though a technological "blip," Americans saw it as threatening their security and global stature, and the government was forced to respond in ways it had not anticipated.

. Few Americans are even aware that the Chinese are preparing the launching of Shenzhou V. That it is likely to occur while the U.S. shuttle fleet is grounded will magnify how the United States and the world perceive China's technological achievement. Certainly, some in Washington will react by claiming that the launching requires the United States to spend more money on space. In policy circles, its perceived strategic importance could also chill recently warmed U.S.-China relations. But will it also trigger a demand to reinvigorate the U.S. manned space program? At the moment, although an austere version of the International Space Station is in orbit, it has been a stepchild while military space has ascended in importance.

. If China successfully launches a taikonaut into orbit, it is likely to "win" in all the ways the United States did during the Apollo series. If the launching is not a success, China will suffer and mourn just as the United States did after the loss of the Challenger and the Columbia, and then it will rethink whether to continue with the program. Success in the heavens is spectacular, but so too is failure. .

The writer is chairwoman of the National Security Decision Making Department at the U.S. Naval War College. The views expressed in this article are the author's alone. Reprinted with permission from YaleGlobal Online (http://yaleglobal.yale.edu). Celestial ambitions


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To: Technogeeb
How is H3 resident on the moon? What form?

The Chinese would do the moon thing just for pride reasons alone. Certainly they'd be careful to profit in all the other possible ways, too.
61 posted on 10/14/2003 11:45:23 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: lainde
WE should claim credit for their accomplishment, courtesy the traitorous Loral and other Bill Clinton pawns.

That would be incorrect and counter-productive. We should restart our own space program and leave everyone in the dust.

62 posted on 10/14/2003 11:48:50 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: RadioAstronomer
I hope for a long-term sustained program that won’t be canceled at the whim of the next congress that gets voted in.

This is why China may well beat us. I doubt that the head honchos of the Party there have a Congress, much less a public, to answer to. The 2 year cycle we have where Congress can change may well prove to be our undoing here, since most Congresscritters and other elected officials are election-oriented. This tends to make their time horizions pretty short, and anything that can't be resolved in that neat time frame gets kicked down the road. Unfortunately, space travel require a long-term commitment that the present Congress likely won't support, or not support enough. China, on the other hand, has none of these built-in problems in their political system.

Reminds me of a short story published in Analog a few years back about the Japanese shopping around for a partner for a manned Mars expedition. Long story short (or is it short story even shorter?), the Japanese partner up with some Arab emirate, precisely because the Arab honcho could guarantee long-term support, whereas the Americans with their political process could not.

63 posted on 10/14/2003 12:02:24 PM PDT by adx (Why's it called "tourist season" if you ain't allowed to shoot 'em?)
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To: RightWhale
People are people the world over as extensive research has shown.

With 1.2 people to take the cream of the cream of the crop from--they are formidible.

IMHO, You are unwise to consider them ONLY or merely average.

Sure, the middle billion or so are by definition average.

If you think pitting the top 0.01% of 1.2 billion Chinese would be an easy thing for 0.01% of 300,000,000 americans to win out over--I think you are not thinking clearly about it.
64 posted on 10/14/2003 12:28:06 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: Quix
We will win due to our technically superior philosophy. Our German philosophers against their German philosophers, and they have no German philosophers.
65 posted on 10/14/2003 12:30:52 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Quix
How is H3 resident on the moon? What form?

Helium-3 (H3 is tritium, and to my knowledge there is no tritium in significant quanities) is present on the moon due to constant bombardment by the solar wind. It is retained in the regolith itself, although it (being essentially inert) isn't chemically bonded to it (think of some materials, such as ilmenite, a mineral composed of iron, titanium, and oxygen, as a "sponge" for it).

Mining it is almost trivial. All you have to do is find the areas with the densest concentration (for example, maria on the far side), pick up the dust, and heat it. Due to the way it got there, the richest deposits are all on the surface. It's almost as if all the gold in a gold mine were in the form of nuggets you could pick up as you walked around it.

66 posted on 10/14/2003 12:34:54 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Absolutely true.

I'm still periodically stunned at the ethnocentrism of the Chinese.

Their mentality of "us against the barbarians" is soooooo entrenched in the culture and even in the individual psychological ethos. Even among my close loved ones, it can crop up suprisingly often.

They are FIERCELY AND INTENSELY EAGER to rise up and be counted according the the glory, clout and KING OF THE HILL; CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE status they see themselves as having lost.
67 posted on 10/14/2003 12:39:10 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: 11B3
"America needs to unveil something spectacular to the world. And we'd better do it soon." Why worry, China is just now putting a man in orbit. The US put a man on the moon over thirty years ago.
68 posted on 10/14/2003 12:50:08 PM PDT by TBall
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To: Technogeeb
FASCINATING.

I stayed well and as far away from chemistry in school as I could. But I'm still fascinated. Thanks for correcting my shorthand.

I can imagine the Chinese would LOVE to have a monopoly on Helium 3.

69 posted on 10/14/2003 12:56:04 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: RightWhale
IF you are saying we will win because some of us choose to believe The God of The Bible and earnestly try to put Him first as our philosophy of life,

I'll agree.

Nothing else will do.

God is going, in our lifetime, to demonstrate to all the countries, all the world AND all creation

that it is futile idiocy to attempt to build any house without His involvement and blessing.
70 posted on 10/14/2003 12:57:48 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: Quix
So stated with Christian Certitude.

We also have a philosophy of science, and they have non, neither God nor science. We will win if we choose to run.

71 posted on 10/14/2003 1:02:45 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: 11B3
Germany took pole position as the worlds leading export country from the US

I think this is pretty spectacular.

If Ameicans keep shelling out the shekels for the Chinese manufactured merchandise we'll be fulfilling Lenin's prophesy. People gobble up all the Christmas decorations, all of which are manufactured by the Chi Coms, apparently not remembering that last year just before Christmas, they executed 48 Chinese Christians.

Yet we continue blithely along spending billions on, not only decorations, but on teddy bears, shoes, clothing, appliances, cooking ware, etc. etc.!

By the time America wakes up, we'll have morphed into a third world country ourselves making it easier to fold us into the New World Order.

72 posted on 10/14/2003 1:07:37 PM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: TBall
"America needs to unveil something spectacular to the world. And we'd better do it soon." Why worry, China is just now putting a man in orbit. The US put a man on the moon over thirty years ago.

And it has, by coincidence, been thirty years since the US made any significant progress. Nor are we likely to do anything significant any time soon. Even if we tried, all our efforts are mired in the hopelessly stagnant culture of NASA.

73 posted on 10/14/2003 1:10:25 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: hopespringseternal
Nor are we likely to do anything significant any time soon.

Space exploration is entertainment. It's not entertaining anymore, so who, like, cares?

74 posted on 10/14/2003 1:14:33 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: RightWhale
Space exploration is entertainment. It's not entertaining anymore, so who, like, cares?

Exactly.

75 posted on 10/14/2003 1:18:16 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Technogeeb
With it (and ordinary deuterium easily extracted from seawater) fusion becomes almost trivial.

Uh...no. D-T fusion is actually easier to achieve, D-H3 makes for a simpler reactor. We are nowhere near achieving the breakeven point for either.

76 posted on 10/14/2003 1:22:11 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: RightWhale
Their heavy handed control from on top is a problem, for sure.

But, they are able to take on our philosophy of science sufficiently when it serves their purposes.

They are aware of the scientific method and apply it with typical Chinese obsessiveness when they want to.
77 posted on 10/14/2003 1:36:08 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: Quix; All

Top 10 Questions: China's March to Space

78 posted on 10/14/2003 1:46:11 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All
Or this:
79 posted on 10/14/2003 1:47:44 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: hopespringseternal
Uh...no. D-T fusion is actually easier to achieve, D-H3 makes for a simpler reactor.

No. D-T is D-H3 (H3 is tritium. Or did you mean D-He3?). In any case, D-T fusion is "easier to achieve" only from the standpoint of the coulomb forces (and associated temperatures) involved (essentially about 10keV vs. 50keV), and ignores the real-world engineering issues. In a D-T reaction, most of your energy comes out as neutrons; not only making it almost worthless for power production, but complicating other engineering problems as well (thermal loss, shielding issues, radioactivity of containment system, etc). With D-He3 fusion, a lot of the engineering problems of D-T fusion are significantly reduced since it is mostly aneutronic (there is some unintended neutron production from "side" reactions, but there are theoretical ways to eliminate these as an issue). While He3-D fusion can't be achieved in a conventional Tokamak, there are other (high plasma beta) designs where breakeven He3-D fusion should be theoretically achievable. Because the energy produced in He3-D can more easily sustain the reaction (far more so than the neutrons of a D-T reaction), an He3-D reactor should have a superior Lawson value, and thus provides the only long-term solution to the fusion problem, something D-T fusion will never do. Except as a laboratory curiousity, D-T fusion is a waste of time.

We are nowhere near achieving the breakeven point for either.

Not true. We could build a working He3-D fusion reactor with what we know right now (assuming we had the He3, which we won't since it appears we're going to give it all to the Chinese); it would just have to be so large (in order to have a sufficiently high Lawson value) that it would be economically unfeasible considering the current price of alternatives. Environmentalists would also probably be annoyed by the ignition mechanism...

But even if that were true (and from an economic standpoint, I will grant you that for the moment it is), that argument would be irrelevant. We didn't have practical gasoline engines a century ago either, but that doesn't make the oil of Saudi Arabia now worth any less. We KNOW that that the Lunar He3 is valuable (or at least, is inevitably going to be valuable), and there isn't any reason why we shouldn't try to claim it, or at the very least keep another nation from monopolizing it.

80 posted on 10/14/2003 3:30:43 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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