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BRUCE ALMIGHTY: Atheism's Critique of Arminianism

Posted on 11/30/2003 5:21:17 PM PST by drstevej

Bruce Nolan (Carrey), a television reporter in Buffalo, N.Y.,is discontented with almost everything in life despite his popularity and the love of his girlfriend, Grace (Aniston) . At the end of the worst day of his life, Bruce angrily ridicules and rages against God and God responds. God appears in human form (Freeman) and, endowing Bruce with divine powers, challenges Bruce to take on the big job to see if he can do it any better.

 

 

Bruce Nolan:       How do you make someone love you without changing free will?
God:                     Welcome to my world.


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To: Cvengr
The Wizened Calvinist Master R.C. Yoda Sproul says:

Funny it is not!


441 posted on 12/06/2003 12:19:07 PM PST by Gamecock (Nothing but happy controversy free posts from me!)
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To: Gamecock
Who's the guy in 441? Grant Swank?
442 posted on 12/06/2003 1:11:34 PM PST by Ex-Wretch
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To: Ex-Wretch; CARepubGal; CCWoody; RnMomof7
The greatest theological mind of our time, RC "Yoda" Sproul, Calvinist Master extraordinaire!

http://www.modernreformation.org/mr93/marapr/mr9302sproulinterview.html


http://www.ligonier.org/
443 posted on 12/06/2003 2:50:28 PM PST by Gamecock (Nothing but happy controversy free posts from me!)
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To: conservonator
Who needs Sacred Tradition when you have the all-powerful YOPIS at your beck and call?

Yes, indeed! I have come to the conclusion that protecting my children from this YOPIS nonsense is every bit as important as protecting them from the secularist/humanist state teachings!

444 posted on 12/10/2003 9:30:19 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: Gamecock
Not quite as many as the 200+ Catholic denomonations...

I'm only aware of a single Roman Catholic Church. Perhaps you can tell me about the others?

445 posted on 12/10/2003 9:37:49 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: FormerLib
Yes, indeed! I have come to the conclusion that protecting my children from this YOPIS nonsense is every bit as important as protecting them from the secularist/humanist state teachings!

It is a constant battle isn't it? Unfortunately it's a battle many are unprepared or unwilling to fight.

446 posted on 12/10/2003 9:41:46 AM PST by conservonator
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To: conservonator
I've become convinced that the children see that our faith expressed in our homes on a daily basis.
447 posted on 12/10/2003 9:45:11 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: FormerLib
http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/Christianity/Denominations/Catholicism/Not_in_Communion_with_Rome/

Now, you will probably say "These are not Roman Catholic Churches!" But how are we Proddies to know? There are so many schisms, so many Popes....
448 posted on 12/10/2003 9:48:28 AM PST by Gamecock (Nothing but happy controversy free posts from me!)
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To: Gamecock
But how are we Proddies to know? There are so many schisms, so many Popes...

Check to see if the Headquarters are in Rome. It not, then it isn't Roman Catholic. It's very easy, you see, even for an outsider such as me. ;-)

449 posted on 12/10/2003 10:02:18 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: FormerLib
Change that to "...need to see..."
450 posted on 12/10/2003 10:03:02 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Well I see I missed a long strange ride by not reading this thread earlier.

I think the Orthodox problem with the scholastic notion of transubstantiation is at root the Orthodox problem with the admissibility of applying any binary distinction (as between 'substance' and 'accidents' or between 'real' and 'symbolic') to the Uncreated. The Holy Mysteries are first and foremost the 'normal' ways in which the Uncreated God manifests Himself in His Church. Thus, although 'substance' and 'accidents' may apply to bread and wine (if one is an Aristotelian, which, incidentally I am not for a variety of reasons, only some of which have to do with the Holy Orthodox Faith), they do not apply to Christ as truely present in His Body and Blood.

The quotation from Bishop Nikolai of Ochrid is probably due to bad translation in one direction or the other. The Confession of Peter of Moghila used the word 'transubstantiation' in connection with the action of the Holy Spirit at the eclepsis, but only received conciliar approval (at I've forgotten which council, only that it was held in what was then Moldova, though the site may be in modern Romania or modern Moldova) with an explanation which held that the word as used should not be taken as accepting the scholastic distinction between substance and accidents, but only as strongly expressing the reality of the change.

451 posted on 12/10/2003 11:52:01 AM PST by The_Reader_David
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bttt
452 posted on 12/24/2003 12:51:30 PM PST by drstevej
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To: CCWoody
I have a question to wring the non-Calvinist's noodle in knots ... Is God not smart enough ... Is God not powerful enough ...

Woody, are you not subtle enough to understand the concept of wanting two or even three things at once, not just one, even though those two things might be in conflict ... a conflict that is sometimes inherently logically irreconciliable, no matter how much intellect is applied?

Because I am, and if you are, I wonder why you don't grant that God might be at least as intelligent and discerning as you are.

453 posted on 12/24/2003 1:03:00 PM PST by Campion
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BEND YOU, SHAPE YOU by the Arminian Brood

You are all the Almighty I need, and "Brucie" you know it,
You can't make this beggar a king, a clown or a poet.
We've got  free will full blown.
We got you knocking outside
Out in the cold,
You better mind.
Bend you, shape you
Anyway we want you,
Long as you love us, it's all right
Bend you, shape you
Anyway we want you,
We got the power to turn on the light.


Calvinists tell us we're wrong to view you so badly,
But there's a spirit driving us on, we follow it gladly.
So let them laugh we don't care,
Cause we got nothing to hide,
Almighty Bruce by our side.
Bend you, shape you
Anyway we want you,
Long as you love us, it's all right
Bend you, shape you
Anyway we want you,
We got the power to turn on the light.


454 posted on 02/21/2004 7:51:10 AM PST by drstevej
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Bruce Nolan: How do you make someone love you without changing free will?

God: Welcome to my world.

BUMP


455 posted on 06/05/2004 8:42:49 PM PDT by drstevej
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