GUADALUPE DEVOTION IS CROSSING INTO PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS

Spirit Daily ^ | December 12, 2003 | Mike Brown

[drstevej]

***As does the Blessed Mother.***

As did the blessed mother.

[Flying Circus]

As the blessed mother did, does and will do.

[A.A. Cunningham]

She still does.

[drstevej]

eisegesis

[drstevej]

eisegesis

[Flying Circus]

I understand that your own novel interpretation of scripture puts Mary dead in her grave, but I not am going to abandon 20 centuries of Christian teaching and agree with you.

[drstevej]

***I understand that your own novel interpretation of scripture puts Mary dead in her grave***

That is not my view.

My objections were:

[1] to the title Blessed Mother (she is blessed and a mother, but the title has no biblical basis)

[2] to taking a singluar past statement and extrapolating a present function, without any scriptural warrant.

[Flying Circus]

(she is blessed and a mother, but the title has no biblical basis)

Huh??? Have ever bothered to read the first chapter of Luke?

to taking a singluar past statement and extrapolating a present function, without any scriptural warrant.

You choose to ignore the context of the Bible and apply your own novel interpretation of it so I can understand your blindness the deeper meanings in the wedding at Cana. I suggest you spend some time prayerfully contemplating the narrative of wedding at Cana, and it's place in the Gospel account.

[old and tired]

[1] to the title Blessed Mother (she is blessed and a mother, but the title has no biblical basis)

"all generations shall call me blessed."

2] to taking a singluar past statement and extrapolating a present function, without any scriptural warrant.

If the Bible is all we have (i.e. Tradition means nothing), then is it possible to place too much emphasis on a "singular past statement" , in the Gospel, no less?

[drstevej]

***"all generations shall call me blessed." ***

YES! By all means. Blessed Mother ??? it doesn't say that.

***If the Bible is all we have (i.e. Tradition means nothing), then is it possible to place too much emphasis on a "singular past statement" , in the Gospel, no less?***

There is a pattern in the RCC of taking verses and extrapolating meaning not found in the text. Bad methodology

"full of grace" is another example of RC eisegesis.

[old and tired]

YES! By all means. Blessed Mother ??? it doesn't say that.

So, you never refer to Our Lord Jesus Christ or God Our Heavenly Father by any name which doesn't appear exactly in scripture, even if scripture clearly shows it's warranted?

There is a pattern in the RCC of taking verses and extrapolating meaning not found in the text. Bad methodology

Meaning not found in the text according to whom? The Church Fathers,Luther, Calvin, you, or the woman preaching over at the Methodist Church?

I fear we will never agree here on earth. I will continue to pray for your conversion to the One True Faith. Peace to you, my brother in Christ.

[PetroniusMaximus]

Yes, she does in the scriptures. But the more I study the these appearances the more I am becoming convinced that it is slowly and by stages leading people away from a focus o­n God and Christ at to a "safe harbor" in Mary. Let me give you an example from Fatima...

"...Do you suffer a great deal? Don’t be discouraged. I will never forsake you. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the road that will conduct you to God."

...

"To prevent this, I come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the Communion of reparation o­n the First Saturdays. If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; many nations will be annihilated.

Jesus wishes to make use of you to have me acknowledged and loved. He wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart."

“Here you see hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart... Pray, pray a great deal and make sacrifices for sinners. So many souls go to hell because there is no o­ne to pray and sacrifice for them.”


These appearances are about Mary and her roll in redemtion. Granted, God and Christ are present in the above - but They are supposedly telling people They want them to be devoted to Mary. Some are even calling this the Marian age - which, to my mind, goes squarely against scripture when it says,

"God, having of old time spoken unto the fathers in the prophets by divers portions and in divers manners, hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in his Son"  Heb.1 ASV

[drstevej]

Peace to you as well.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Mary is the mother of all Christians and Jesus gave her to the world at the time of His death when He entrusted her care to John. As Christians we are obligated to honor her in accordance with the 4th Commandment. The Church has always taught that the Blessed Mother has a unique role in the redemption of mankind but that there is only one Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

[A.A. Cunningham]

2 Peter 3:16

[drstevej]

2 Peter 3:16 back at ya.

[drstevej]

Gold Medal Eisegesis

[A.A. Cunningham]

This from a person who bases his faith on the teachings of someone; who was, incidentally, quite devoted to the Blessed Mother, who heavily edited Scripture to his liking. Hubris, indeed.

[drstevej]

I don't base my faith on the teaching of the Reformers. A greek and hebrew text are sufficient to point me to Jesus.

[fishtank]

bflr