Posted on 07/22/2004 7:43:31 PM PDT by xzins
interesting update.
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In archaeology there are minimalists who want to accept evidence, even if small, to show the credibility of the Scripture. There are maximalists who refuse to accept any evidence until it proves the case in full. Maximalists tend to be the liberals. That does not mean that all conservative claims only have minimal evidence, just that conservatives do accept the clear evidence they find.
The ossuary has points on both sides and in their magazines such as Biblical Archaeology Review, you'll get answers back and forth as to what the other said the previous months.
Thanks for posting this. The experts on the side of the authenticity of the ossuary are some of the best in the world. It will be interesting to watch the academic swordplay and I'm glad Hershal Shanks won't let this drop. I happen to believe the most likely explanation for the ossuary inscription is that James son of Joseph was a disciple of Jesus.
I'm trying to reconcile the contradiction that Shanks points out....that if these men saw the ossuary without the inscription then why not say that instead of using other criteria to discredit it.
I'm also interested in the science that distinguished the "of Jesus" part from the remainder of the inscription. I understand there was a disconformity in the patina or something like that....the first portion was inscribed at an earlier, unspecified time.
I've wondered if it could have been because of relocating the ossuary; that it had been originally inscribed as james of joseph and a particular generation knew precisely who was meant. As time went on, and the necessity to move the ossuary became apparent, that the "of Jesus" was added to clearly identify WHICH "james of joseph" they were talking about.
My favorite theory is that Joseph had a deceased wife prior to his betrothal to Mary, and that he'd had children by her. This would explain Joseph's absence (he was older) for the remainder of the gospels; Jesus having brothers; and Jesus needing to put Mary into John's care. It also explains why James was given the lead in the early church seeing that Jesus was only in his early 30's at time of death, and that would have made his YOUNGER brother James quite young to be put in leadership over others who had followed Jesus far longer. IF, however, James was an older, half-sibling, then his elevation to a leader role would be more likely.
These are all simply opinions.....none of this would go into my "statement of faith."
The killer to this theory is that kingship passed to the firstborn male. If Joseph had had another son before Jesus, then that son would have been king through the line of David instead of Jesus.The best thing is to accept the Bible, contemporary church accounts, and contemporary secular accounts for what they say: Mary and Joseph had other sons and daughters after Jesus was born. The notion of Mary's perpetual virginity was a later invention.
There is actually a fairly detailed story about exactly this in non-canon material and I believe this is the theory held by the Eastern Orthodox church, among others.
Good point.
I've never really considered the geneologies in Matthew & Luke to be firstborn son to firstborn son after the captivity, but rather to be in the geneological lineage of.
It always struck me that the prophecies didn't require the Messiah to be the legal heir of David's throne, but rather simply a descendant of David. I'll have to study it, because I've never really put much study into it. After all, ANY descendant of David is at some point in line to be king. It always struck me that if Joseph had been the direct-line heir to the throne, that he would've been far more famous than the scriptures appear to make him out. Just a carpenter in the north seems unlikely GIVEN the extenisve genological records kept by these folks.
There's always the possibility, of course, that Joseph took an additional wife when it became evident to him that Mary had been set apart by God. That would've made James to be Jesus' younger brother....but I doubt that.
I know I'm operating from the assumption that Mary and Joseph did not have sexual relations, but I've leaned in that direction since the father of Mary's child was still living.....and that might have (would have?) affected Joseph.....in my view.
Can you point to sources for this statement?
I've always wondered about that, too, and have asked about it in Bible studies, etc., but you're the only other person I've known to bring it up!See this article for a different view, which argues that Jesus could not have been king through Joseph because Joseph was a descendant of King Jeconiah, who had a curse pronounced upon him in Jeremiah 22.
Certainly!
In the Preface to the Book of Recognitions of Sr. Clement, Jerome refers to a letter (or a copy thereof) which he had in his possession that was written by Clement of Rome. Clement was a contemporary of Peter and Paul and Catholics hold him to the be the second pope. Clement was martyred in approximately 80 AD so the letter describing James as the Lord's brother had to be written before that time:
There is a letter in which this same Clement writing to JAMES THE LORD'S BROTHER, gives an account of the death of Peter, and says that he has left him as his successor, as ruler and teacher of the church;. . . But it is time that we should pay attention to the beginning of Clement's own narrative, which he addresses to James the Lord's brother. (emphasis added)
Cyril of Jerusalem lived from 315 to 386 and writes in his Catechetical Lecture XIV:
But now is Christ risen from the dead, the first fruits of them that are asleep; And He was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve; (for if thou believe not the one witness, thou hast twelve witnesses;) then He was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; (if they disbelieve the twelve, let them admit the five hundred;) after that He was seen of JAMES, HIS OWN BROTHER, and first Bishop of this diocese. Seeing then that such a Bishop originally saw Christ Jesus when risen, do not thou, his disciple, disbelieve him. But thou sayest that His brother James was a partial witness; afterwards He was seen also of me Paul, His enemy; and what testimony is doubted, when an enemy proclaims it? I, who was before a persecutor, now preach the glad tidings of the Resurrection. (emphasis added)
John Chrysostom lived from 347 to 407 and his Homily LXXXVIII clearly referred to Jesus' mother, Mary, as also being the mother of James:
And many women were there beholding afar off, which had followed Him, ministering unto Him, Mary Magdalene, and MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES, AND JOSES, and the mother of Zebedee's sons." . . . And these first see Jesus; and the sex that was most condemned, this first enjoys the sight of the blessings, this most shows its courage. And when the disciples had fled, these were present. But who were these? HIS MOTHER, FOR SHE IS CALLED MOTHER OF JAMES, and the rest. (emphasis added)
Clement of Alexandria died in the year 215. In the fragments we have of his Comments on the Epistle of Jude, he wrote:
Jude, who wrote the Catholic Epistle, the brother of the sons of Joseph, and very religious, whilst knowing the near relationship of the Lord, yet did not say that he himself was His brother. But what said he? "Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ," of Him as Lord; but "the brother of James." For this is true; he was His brother, (the son) of Joseph.
The Canons of the Council of Trullo (which, I admit, many don't consider binding on the entire Catholic church), pronounced:
. . . For also JAMES, THE BROTHER, ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, OF CHRIST OUR GOD, to whom the throne of the church of Jerusalem first was entrusted, and Basil, the Archbishop of the Church of Caesarea, whose glory has spread through all the world, when they delivered to us directions for the mystical sacrifice in writing, declared that the holy chalice is consecrated in the Divine Liturgy with water and wine. (emphasis added)
Eusebius wrote The Church History of Eusebius around the year 225, and says:
Then James, whom the ancients surnamed the Just on account of the excellence of his virtue, is recorded to have been the first to be made bishop of the church of Jerusalem. This James was called the brother of the Lord because he was known as a son of Joseph, and Joseph was supposed to be the father of Christ, because the Virgin, being betrothed to him, was found with child by the Holy Ghost before they came together, as the account of the holy Gospels shows.
Josephus' Antiquities was written about 90 AD and says:
Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the Sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned
Finally, scholars have constructed this "family tree" of Jesus using the sources that I mentioned as well as other early church documents:
The Recognitions and that letter are fake - an invention of heretics. St. Jerome wrote an entire book against Helvidius, who denied St. Mary's perpetual virginity - he hardly meant to contradict himself.
John Chrysostom lived from 347 to 407 and his Homily LXXXVIII clearly referred to Jesus' mother, Mary, as also being the mother of James:
Nope.
And when he had taken her, "he knew her not, till she had brought forth her first-born Son."He hath here used the word "till," not that thou shouldest suspect that afterwards he did know her, but to inform thee that before the birth the Virgin was wholly untouched by man ... How then, one may say, are James and the others called His brethren? In the same kind of way as Joseph himself was supposed to be husband of Mary. (St. John Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Matthew, V)
The Canons of the Council of Trullo
It's quite improbable that they mean what you think. By the time of Trullo, denying Mary's virginity would have been considered "sacrilege" (Ambrose, De instit. virg., V, xxxv) and "madness" (Origen, in Luc., h, vii):
ANTIDICOMARITAE appellati sunt haeretici qui Mariae virginitati usque adeo contradicunt ut affirment eam post Christum natum viro suo fuisse commixtam. (St. Augustine, De Haeresibus, 56)
The Bible, a Catholic document, confirms that the Blessed Mother gave birth to only one child, Jesus Christ. The Blessed Virgin Mary and Saint Joseph had no children together. Even people like Calvin, Luther, Zwingli, etc. believed in and taught of the Blessed Virgin Marys' perpetual virginity. Revisionists have attempted to diminish this fact by abridging, editing and misinterpreting Scripture, to fit their agendas.
Origen
"The Book [the Protoevangelium] of James [records] that the brethren of Jesus were sons of Joseph by a former wife, whom he married before Mary. Now those who say so wish to preserve the honor of Mary in virginity to the end, so that body of hers which was appointed to minister to the Word . . . might not know intercourse with a man after the Holy Spirit came into her and the power from on high overshadowed her. And I think it in harmony with reason that Jesus was the firstfruit among men of the purity which consists in [perpetual] chastity, and Mary was among women. For it were not pious to ascribe to any other than to her the firstfruit of virginity" (Commentary on Matthew 2:17 [A.D. 248]).
Hilary of Poitiers
"If they [the brethren of the Lord] had been Marys sons and not those taken from Josephs former marriage, she would never have been given over in the moment of the passion [crucifixion] to the apostle John as his mother, the Lord saying to each, Woman, behold your son, and to John, Behold your mother [John 19:2627), as he bequeathed filial love to a disciple as a consolation to the one desolate" (Commentary on Matthew 1:4 [A.D. 354]).
Athanasius
"Let those, therefore, who deny that the Son is by nature from the Father and proper to his essence deny also that he took true human flesh from the ever-virgin Mary" (Discourses Against the Arians 2:70 [A.D. 360]).
Epiphanius of Salamis
"We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of all things, both visible and invisible; and in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God . . . who for us men and for our salvation came down and took flesh, that is, was born perfectly of the holy ever-virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit" (The Man Well-Anchored 120 [A.D. 374]).
"And to holy Mary, [the title] Virgin is invariably added, for that holy woman remains undefiled" (Medicine Chest Against All Heresies 78:6 [A.D. 375]).
Jerome
"[Helvidius] produces Tertullian as a witness [to his view] and quotes Victorinus, bishop of Petavium. Of Tertullian, I say no more than that he did not belong to the Church. But as regards Victorinus, I assert what has already been proven from the gospelthat he [Victorinus] spoke of the brethren of the Lord not as being sons of Mary but brethren in the sense I have explained, that is to say, brethren in point of kinship, not by nature. [By discussing such things we] are . . . following the tiny streams of opinion. Might I not array against you the whole series of ancient writers? Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, and many other apostolic and eloquent men, who against [the heretics] Ebion, Theodotus of Byzantium, and Valentinus, held these same views and wrote volumes replete with wisdom. If you had ever read what they wrote, you would be a wiser man" (Against Helvidius: The Perpetual Virginity of Mary 19 [A.D. 383]).
"We believe that God was born of a virgin, because we read it. We do not believe that Mary was married after she brought forth her Son, because we do not read it. . . . You [Helvidius] say that Mary did not remain a virgin. As for myself, I claim that Joseph himself was a virgin, through Mary, so that a virgin Son might be born of a virginal wedlock" (ibid., 21).
Didymus the Blind
"It helps us to understand the terms first-born and only-begotten when the Evangelist tells that Mary remained a virgin until she brought forth her first-born son [Matt. 1:25]; for neither did Mary, who is to be honored and praised above all others, marry anyone else, nor did she ever become the Mother of anyone else, but even after childbirth she remained always and forever an immaculate virgin" (The Trinity 3:4 [A.D. 386]).
Ambrose of Milan
"Imitate her [Mary], holy mothers, who in her only dearly beloved Son set forth so great an example of material virtue; for neither have you sweeter children [than Jesus], nor did the Virgin seek the consolation of being able to bear another son" (Letters 63:111 [A.D. 388]).
Pope Siricius I
"You had good reason to be horrified at the thought that another birth might issue from the same virginal womb from which Christ was born according to the flesh. For the Lord Jesus would never have chosen to be born of a virgin if he had ever judged that she would be so incontinent as to contaminate with the seed of human intercourse the birthplace of the Lords body, that court of the eternal king" (Letter to Bishop Anysius [A.D. 392]).
Augustine
"In being born of a Virgin who chose to remain a Virgin even before she knew who was to be born of her, Christ wanted to approve virginity rather than to impose it. And he wanted virginity to be of free choice even in that woman in whom he took upon himself the form of a slave" (Holy Virginity 4:4 [A.D. 401]).
"It was not the visible sun, but its invisible Creator who consecrated this day for us, when the Virgin Mother, fertile of womb and integral in her virginity, brought him forth, made visible for us, by whom, when he was invisible, she too was created. A Virgin conceiving, a Virgin bearing, a Virgin pregnant, a Virgin bringing forth, a Virgin perpetual. Why do you wonder at this, O man?" (Sermons 186:1 [A.D. 411]).
"Heretics called Antidicomarites are those who contradict the perpetual virginity of Mary and affirm that after Christ was born she was joined as one with her husband" (Heresies 56 [A.D. 428]).
Leporius
"We confess, therefore, that our Lord and God, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, born of the Father before the ages, and in times most recent, made man of the Holy Spirit and the ever-virgin Mary" (Document of Amendment 3 [A.D. 426]).
Cyril of Alexandria
"[T]he Word himself, coming into the Blessed Virgin herself, assumed for himself his own temple from the substance of the Virgin and came forth from her a man in all that could be externally discerned, while interiorly he was true God. Therefore he kept his Mother a virgin even after her childbearing" (Against Those Who Do Not Wish to Confess That the Holy Virgin is the Mother of God 4 [A.D. 430]).
Pope Leo I
"His [Christs] origin is different, but his [human] nature is the same. Human usage and custom were lacking, but by divine power a Virgin conceived, a Virgin bore, and Virgin she remained" (Sermons 22:2 [A.D. 450]).
Council of Constantinople II
"If anyone will not confess that the Word of God ... came down from the heavens and was made flesh of holy and glorious Mary, mother of God and ever-virgin, and was born from her, let him be anathema" (Anathemas Against the "Three Chapters" 2 [A.D. 553]).
Hegesippus [the second century historian] who lived near the apostolic age, in the fifth book of his Commentaries, writing of James. says "After the apostles, James the brother of the Lord surnamed the Just was made head of the Church at Jerusalem. Many indeed are called James. This one was holy from his mother's womb. He drank neither wine nor strong drink, ate no flesh, never shaved or anointed himself with ointment or bathed. He alone had the privilege of entering the Holy of Holies, since indeed he did not use woolen vestments but linen and went alone into the temple and prayed in behalf of the people, insomuch that his knees were reputed to have acquired the hardness of camels' knees."
St. John Chrysostom Homily V. Matthew Chapter 1, Verse 25 And Matthew Chapter 1, Verse 23
...5. "Then Joseph, being raised from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him." Seest thou obedience, and a submissive mind? Seest thou a soul truly wakened, and in all things incorruptible? For neither when he suspected something painful or amiss could he endure to keep the Virgin with him; nor yet, after he was freed from this suspicion, could he bear to cast her out, but he rather keeps her with him, and ministers to the whole Dispensation. "And took unto him Mary his wife." Seest thou how continually the evangelist uses this word, not willing that that mystery should be disclosed as yet, and annihilating that evil suspicion? And when he had taken her, "he knew her not, till she had brought forth her first-born Son."5 He hath here used the word "till," not that thou shouldest suspect that afterwards he did know her, but to inform thee that before the birth the Virgin was wholly untouched by man. But why then, it may be said, hath he used the word, "till"? Because it is usual in Scripture often to do this, and to use this expression without reference to limited times. For so with respect to the ark likewise, it is said, "The raven returned not till the earth was dried up."6 And yet it did not return even after that time. And when discoursing also of God, the Scripture saith, "From age until age Thou art,"7 not as fixing limits in this case. And again when it is preaching the Gospel beforehand, and saying, "In his days shall righteousness flourish, and abundance of peace, till the moon be taken away,"8 it doth not set a limit to this fair part of creation. So then here likewise, it uses the word "till," to make certain what was before the birth, but as to what follows, it leaves thee to make the inference. Thus, what it was necessary for thee to learn of Him, this He Himself hath said; that the Virgin was untouched by man until the birth; but that which both was seen to be a consequence of the former statement, and was acknowledged, this in its turn he leaves for thee to perceive; namely, that not even after this, she having so become a mother, and having been counted worthy of a new sort of travail, and a child-bearing so strange, could that righteous man ever have endured to know her. For if he had known her, and had kept her in the place of a wife, how is it that our Lord9 commits her, as unprotected, and having no one, to His disciple, and commands him to take her to his own home? How then, one may say, are James and the others called His brethren? In the same kind of way as Joseph himself was supposed to be husband of Mary. For many were the veils provided, that the birth, being such as it was, might be for a time screened. Wherefore even John so called them, saying, "For neither did His brethren believe in Him."10
All of the sources that you cited are quite late, except for the Protoevangelium of James. That bolsters my argument that the perpetual virginity was a later invention that was not held by the early church.
Note that the Catholic Encyclopedia describes the Protoevangelium of James as "based on the canonical Gospels which it expands with legendary and imaginative elements, which are sometimes puerile or fantastic ..." Not exactly a good book to base a doctrine upon.
I also cited St. John Chrysostom, who I believe you cited as well.
I wold also point out that a host of "beliefs " regarding the divinity of Christ, the nature of God etc were making the rounds during the very early Church so finding some one who held an opinion at odds with the true Church isn't that surprising.
If the early church believed that Mary had other children, why do the two churches that trace their roots back to Christ and the apostles not hold the same view as the reformers? Why is this an issue for non-Catholics and non-Orthodox?
No, it doesn't.
Matthew 13:55: "Is he not the carpenter's son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas?"
Matthew 27:56: Among them were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.
Mark 3:31: His mother and his brothers arrived. Standing outside they sent word to him and called him.
32 A crowd seated around him told him, "Your mother and your brothers (and your sisters) are outside asking for you."
33 But he said to them in reply, "Who are my mother and (my) brothers?"
34 And looking around at those seated in the circle he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers.
35 (For) whoever does the will of God is my brother and sister and mother."Note that Jesus is going from the narrow, literal sense (his actual mother, brothers, and sisters) to the expanded, figurative sense (everyone doing the will of God is a mother, brother, or sister). If the visitors had not been Jesus' literal mother, brothers, and sisters, then the point would be meaningless.
Mark 6:3: "Is he not the carpenter, the son of Mary, and the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him.
John 2:12: After this, he and his mother, (his) brothers, and his disciples went down to Capernaum and stayed there only a few days.
Note here that John differentiates Jesus' brothers from his disciples and thus was not using the term brothers in the figurative Christian sense.
The Bible was given to the entire church by God and is not a "Catholic document" any more than it is a "Protestant document."
I've written about the Aramaic-has-the-same-word-for-brother-and-cousin argument so many times that I don't want to do it all over again. To summarize, the entire New Testament, with the possible exception of Matthew, was written in Greek. The apostle Paul mentions the brother(s) (adelphos -- literally "sharing of the womb") of the Lord in both Galatians and Corinthians, and there is absolutely no doubt that he was writing in Greek, which was probably his primary language. He described Barnabas as the cousin (anepsios) of Mark, so he was certainly familiar with the distinction between adelphos and anepsios.
The Bible also uses another Greek word -- suggenes -- (note the word "gene" in the word, the root of our word genetic) -- to describe a close relative. Luke 1:36 says, "Even Elizabeth your RELATIVE (suggenes) is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month."
Note also that Josephus, a Jew writing in Greek, used anepsios several times in his works, but uses the term adelphos when referring to the "brothers of Jesus." Like Paul, Josephus was using the correct word for the correct relationship.
If you ever hear somebody say that Aramaic and Ancient Greek didn't have a word for cousin (or something along that line) then you can correct them because they're wrong. The New Testament was written in a language that had separate words for cousin or close relative and used them where it was appropriate. Where it was appropriate to use the word brother -- adelphos, or "sharer of the womb" -- then the Bible used it.
Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born but had additional children afterwards. The idea of perpetual virginity was unknown to either the early church or to early secular writers.
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