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REFORMATION SUNDAY
Presbyterian Historical Society ^ | Sunday, October 31, 2004

Posted on 10/31/2004 1:06:55 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg

The Church celebrates Reformation Sunday on the last Sunday of October, commemorating a significant event in the history of the Reformed tradition. It was on October 31, 1517, that Martin Luther posted his 95 theses on the door of the church in Wittenberg...

Reformation Sunday

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TOPICS: History; Mainline Protestant; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: calvin; gracealone; luther; martinluther; protestants; reformation; reformers; solascriptura
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Happy Reformation Sunday!!!
1 posted on 10/31/2004 1:06:59 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; jude24; ...
Celebrate, Saints! Salvation is of the Lord! By His mercy are we made joyful.

Sola Scriptura
Soli Deo Gloria
Solo Christo
Sola Gratia
Sola Fide

Five Solas

2 posted on 10/31/2004 1:19:32 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I go to LCMS church... We will have OctoberFest this Sunday...

Yeah. Happy Reformation day!

3 posted on 10/31/2004 1:23:30 AM PST by paudio (CLINTON BOMBED BELGRADE WITHOUT EVEN BOTHER TO GO TO THE UN...)
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To: paudio

Party on! 8~)


4 posted on 10/31/2004 1:28:15 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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Cool, didn't know there was a celebration for this.

Now, I'll have to go look up when Counter-Reformation Sunday is...

{^_^}

5 posted on 10/31/2004 1:41:44 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr

April 1st?


6 posted on 10/31/2004 1:46:55 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thanks.

Oh…

Almost had me. But that's not a Sunday.

{^_^}


7 posted on 10/31/2004 1:57:06 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: roadrunner96; Dr. Eckleburg
The Jews....

just so were clear - I hit the button on that one newbie

9 posted on 10/31/2004 2:20:00 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911

Luther wrote that! Didn't you know that?


10 posted on 10/31/2004 2:23:30 AM PST by roadrunner96 (!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

What a great hymn this is, still sung;

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/hymns/fortress-english.txt

1. A mighty Fortress is our God,
A trusty Shield and Weapon;
He helps us free from every need
That hath us now o'ertaken.
The old evil Foe
Now means deadly woe;
Deep guile and great might
Are his dread arms in fight;
On Earth is not his equal.


11 posted on 10/31/2004 2:28:21 AM PST by roadrunner96 (!)
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To: roadrunner96
Luther wrote that! Didn't you know that?

well aware of that

12 posted on 10/31/2004 2:36:40 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Happy Reformation Day!


13 posted on 10/31/2004 3:29:24 AM PST by stayathomemom
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

14 posted on 10/31/2004 3:31:57 AM PST by Gamecock (GRPL: No secret handshakes, passwords, or rituals. Just God's Holy Word. (but with a cool logo!))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Happy Ref. Sunday ..

Today is also Halloween. I wonder if it was Halloween on that day, too...

What I mean to ask is did M.L. pick Oct 31 by chance or on purpose?


15 posted on 10/31/2004 3:53:52 AM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Here is Dr. William Cork's 1992 Reformation Day sermon. It was his last sermon as a Lutheran pastor. He is now a Catholic.
16 posted on 10/31/2004 4:54:52 AM PST by ELCore (Cor ad cor loquitur)
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To: ELCore

Great sermon.


17 posted on 10/31/2004 6:40:08 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Reformation Day

Jeremiah 31:23-40; John 8:31-47 / Psalm 46:1-11

I. Reformation Highlights Redemptive History

A. Sin is any want of conformity unto, or transgression of, the law of God.; therefore life is always difficult for people. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23) “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” (1 John 3:4)

B. Over time church and society tarnish as silver dulls. “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” (Romans 3:10)

C. Eventually God’s prophets summon His people back to Him. “Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.” (Jeremiah 6:16)

D. Truth has a staying power uncommon to human institutions which causes it to prevail and consequently calls for renewal must always begin in Scripture. “And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.” (Deuteronomy 6:6-7)


II. The Reformation Message Is Clear

A. The Sovereign Lord of Providence made and manages all things above the poor sinner’s capacity to understand; rely on Him rather than on yourself. “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.”(Proverbs 3:5-8)

B. “It looked like a good idea at the time” is the subtitle of incalculable numbers of disasters. “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” (Proverbs 14:12)

C. People, cultures, and even civilizations can change because all things are possible with God. “And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.” (Mark 10:27)

D. Because the Sovereign God is gracious, rest is possible even in a world of sin. “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” (Matthew 11:28)

E. Rest in Jesus is more wonderful than unbelievers can dream. “And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.” (Philippians 4:7)


III. God Issues the Call to Reformation

A. It is not necessary to die. “Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?” (Ezekiel 18:31)

B. No sin is so great that a repentant believer will find God unwilling to keep His word. “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” (Isaiah 1:18)

C. Christ endured the cross and despised the shame that sinners might be saved, even the worst sinners. “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.” (1 Timothy 1:15)

D. Do not miss the time of reform. “Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” (Isaiah 55:6-11)

+ Dr. Edwin P. Elliott


18 posted on 10/31/2004 7:07:12 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
A happy Reformation Sunday to you!

Be sure to wish same to our Catholic brethren ;-)

19 posted on 10/31/2004 7:46:27 AM PST by Lexinom ("A person's a person no matter how small" - from Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who)
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To: gobucks

October 17th, 1517 marks the outward beginning of the Reformation. All Saints Day, a pre-exsiting Catholic holiday on ar about Oct. 31st, coincided nicely.


20 posted on 10/31/2004 7:51:44 AM PST by Lexinom ("A person's a person no matter how small" - from Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who)
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To: DeaconBenjamin; RnMomof7

Amen, Deacon!

Is this the Dr. Edwin P. Elliot from "The Christian Observer," the official journal of the Bible Presbyterian Church in Manassas, VA?


22 posted on 10/31/2004 11:09:13 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I pray that we work together ever more closely, with ever more conviction, in the public square, against the issues that bind us to Christ in opposition to Satan:

abortion, euthanasia, cloning, stem cell research, homosexual marriage

from a Catholic brother to my fellow Christians
23 posted on 10/31/2004 11:20:31 AM PST by jobim
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To: jobim

Just a clarification, is that a TOTAL prohibition, or merely a prohibition on EMBRIONIC stem cell research? If Embrionic, i am in agreement.


24 posted on 10/31/2004 11:22:59 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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To: jobim
I pray that we work together ever more closely, with ever more conviction, in the public square, against the issues that bind us to Christ in opposition to Satan: abortion, euthanasia, cloning, stem cell research, homosexual marriage.

A goal that we share, by His Word, for His glory.

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." -- John 16:33.

25 posted on 10/31/2004 11:34:23 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Dr. Eckleburg
Yes indeed, embryonic only. Thanks for your support and witness!
26 posted on 10/31/2004 11:49:37 AM PST by jobim
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
BTTT

Thank you

His willing bondslave

chuck
27 posted on 10/31/2004 12:01:40 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua == YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Indeed, it is the Dr. Elliott from Manassas, although I do not believe he represents his publication as serving only the Bible Presbyterian denomination. Indeed, I am not entirely certain as to his congregation's current denominational affiliation.


28 posted on 10/31/2004 12:47:29 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; suzyjaruki; UsnDadof8; alpha-8-25-02; ken in texas; sr4402; Ephesians210; HarleyD; ..

And the final Jeopardy question is name infamous Dominican monk said:

Don't you hear the voices of your wailing dead parents and others who say, 'Have mercy upon me, have mercy upon me, because we are in severe punishment and pain. From this you could redeem us with a small alms and yet you do not want to do so.' Open your ears as the father says to the son and the mother to the daughter . . ., 'We have created you, fed you, cared for you, and left you our temporal goods. Why then are you so cruel and harsh that you do not want to save us, though it only takes a little? You let us lie in flames so that we only slowly come to the promised glory.' You may have letters which let you have, once in life and in the hour of death . . . full remission of the punishment which belongs to sin. Oh, those of you with vows, you usurers, robbers, murderers, and criminals - Now is the time to hear the voice of God. He does not want the death of the sinner, but that he be converted and live. Convert yourselves the, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, to the Lord, thy God. Oh, you blasphemers, gossippers, who hinder this work openly or secretly, what about your affairs? You are outside the fellowship of the Church. No masses, no sermons, prayers, sacraments, or intercession help you. No field, vineyard, trees, or cattle bring fruit or wine for you. Even spiritual things vanish, as many an illustration could point out. Convert yourself with all you heart and use the medicine of which the Book of Wisdom says, 'The Most High has made medicine out of the earth and a wise man will not reject it.'


< cue music>


29 posted on 10/31/2004 1:39:44 PM PST by Gamecock (GRPL: No secret handshakes, passwords, or rituals. Just God's Holy Word. (but with a cool logo!))
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To: gobucks
All Saint's Day is November 1. Many pilgrims were in Wittenberg for that festival. The church door was the community bulletin board, and a good place to post notices for future debate. From my reading, the year before he had preached a critical sermon on All Saint's Day, and I suppose people were interested in what might be forthcoming. So I would say he took advantage of the holiday.
30 posted on 10/31/2004 1:41:21 PM PST by stayathomemom
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To: Gamecock

Of course that would be Johann Tetzel.

Had the scapular been invented then? I can't but think he'd've loved that. Just think: a garment that GUARANTEES that merely by wearing it, one is saved from Hell's fires.

The spirit of Tetzel lives.

Dan


31 posted on 10/31/2004 2:36:30 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: stayathomemom; Lexinom

Ok, all saints day; many thanks...


32 posted on 10/31/2004 2:50:16 PM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: Gamecock

AHH!


33 posted on 10/31/2004 3:09:13 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 (SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

As a Bible presbyterian may I claim him?


Blessed reformation day!


34 posted on 10/31/2004 3:31:17 PM PST by RnMomof7 ( ")
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To: BibChr

Sorry, but you didn't phrase your answer in the form of a question ...


35 posted on 10/31/2004 4:46:45 PM PST by eastsider
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To: eastsider

D'oh!!


36 posted on 10/31/2004 4:56:07 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
Just think: a garment that GUARANTEES that merely by wearing it, one is saved from Hell's fires.

Good luck finding anything that says that merely (notice the word: you used it, I didn't) by wearing a scapular, anyone can get to heaven ... as though an unrepentent sinner could waltz into heaven by virtue of a piece of cloth around his neck.

A scapular no more guarantees a Catholic heaven than reciting the sinner's prayer guarantees a Protestant heaven.

You still have to lead a Christian life.

Don't believe everything you read on James White's website.

37 posted on 10/31/2004 5:31:17 PM PST by Campion
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To: Gamecock

Ever Google the scapular? It's hardly a mystery.

"WHOSOEVER DIES WEARING THIS SCAPULAR SHALL NOT SUFFER ETERNAL FIRE. IT SHALL BE A SIGN OF PEACE AND A SAFEGUARD IN TIMES OF DANGER."

Dan


38 posted on 10/31/2004 8:54:16 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Campion

Who's James White?


39 posted on 10/31/2004 10:12:16 PM PST by Gamecock (GRPL: No secret handshakes, passwords, or rituals. Just God's Holy Word. (but with a cool logo!))
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To: Lexinom
All Saints Day, a pre-exsiting Catholic holiday on ar about Oct. 31st, coincided nicely.

All Saints is 1st November, is was also known as All Hallows (which means pretty much the same thing); All Hallows Even was abreviated to Hallowe'en. Thus stuff about ghouls was that this was the last time that they could play around before the Holy Day following.

I couldn't resist a certain wry smile at Reformation Day being on Hallowe'en...

Even better traditionalist Catholics kept yesterday as the Feast of Our Lord Jesus Christ the King which is certainly preferable to Hallowe'en.
40 posted on 11/01/2004 4:04:08 AM PST by tjwmason (Coerced and bribed window-dressing.)
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To: BibChr

No. Scapular was given to us hundreds of years before (200 at least). The scapular is also not permission to go out and commit mortal sin.


41 posted on 11/01/2004 4:38:15 AM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: BibChr

Your edging on being very offensive.


42 posted on 11/01/2004 4:39:26 AM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: Campion
A scapular no more guarantees a Catholic heaven than reciting the sinner's prayer guarantees a Protestant heaven.

Just FYI: Many hard core proddies (read: Calvinists on FR) have a very low opnion of the sinners prayer.

43 posted on 11/01/2004 4:46:53 AM PST by Gamecock (GRPL: No secret handshakes, passwords, or rituals. Just God's Holy Word. (but with a cool logo!))
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To: CouncilofTrent; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; ...

<< Your [sic] edging on being very offensive. >>

Right.

On the one hand: Here's a sect sending folks off to Hell with the false hope that wearing a magic garment will guarantee their safety.

On the other hand: Here's me mentioning the fact in passing. (On a "Reformation Sunday" thread, no less.)

And you solemnly intone that *I* am "edging on being offensive."

Got it.

Well, here's something you may REALLY find offensive:

"This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:11-12)

Dan


44 posted on 11/01/2004 5:34:07 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: jobim
I pray that we work together ever more closely, with ever more conviction, in the public square, against the issues that bind us to Christ in opposition to Satan:

Yes, I agree that all of these fortresses must fall, but the biggest sin of our land is unbelief. Our nation has embraced 'Chance' as it's god and unbridled lawlessness and hedonism as it's lifestyle. Pray that the America would repent from it's wallowing in this mirey sin pit and look to our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, for Salvation.

45 posted on 11/01/2004 5:55:01 AM PST by sr4402
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To: RnMomof7
Blessed reformation day!

Yes, a turning back to the Word of God. In-errantly directed by the Holy Spirit and Christ's words available to all the peoples. What a joy to search the Scriptures on the Internet!

"He who has my word and Keeps it, he it is who loves me, and he who loves me shall be loved by my Father, and we will come to him and make our abode with him".

For so many years, Christ's words were suppressed. The enemy attempts to suppress God's word, even now.

Eat God's word today, be transformed by the renewing of your mind through it. God's word will never pass away, and for the believer there is no end to it's blessing and value.

46 posted on 11/01/2004 6:01:59 AM PST by sr4402
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To: BibChr
Hey, you brought up the Scapular (the Brown Scapular) and that Johann Tezel (im tired so my spelling is weak) stuff is old. On another point, you still don't listen to what another FReeper told you: the scapular isn't a ticket to heaven. The Church even declares this.

BALTIMORE CATECHISM NO.3

Q 1060: How may persons sin in using Sacramentals?


A. Persons may sin in using sacramentals by using them in a way or for a purpose prohibited by the Church; also by believing that the use of Sacramentals will save us in spite of our sinful lives. We must remember that sacramentals can aid us only through the blessing the Church gives them and through the good dispositions they excite in us. They have, therefore, no power in themselves, and to put too much confidence in their use leads to superstition.
47 posted on 11/01/2004 7:17:38 AM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: BibChr; CouncilofTrent
"This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:11-12)

Reformation Sunday is a misnomer since a reformation did not happen. A revolt and severance from the Catholic Church is what happened and has Luther as its cornerstone and founder.

48 posted on 11/01/2004 9:41:13 AM PST by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Stubborn

If you're saying that the Roman Catholic Church did not fundamentally change (i.e. reform), you're basically right. It has worsened some, but along the same lines.

Dan


49 posted on 11/01/2004 9:53:42 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr; CouncilofTrent
The Reformation, is more appropriately known in less popular circles as "The Revolt", or "The Great Revolt" because it was not cause for reformation within the Church, it was cause for the advent of Protestantism, which was the separation from the Catholic Church in protest.

I agree that there were things happening in the Church at that time that were in need of reformation, but to separate from the Catholic Church due in no small part to Luther, an apostate Catholic monk, is not an act of reformation, it is an act of open defiance to the Church that Christ Himself established.

The Brown Scapular was around long before the Revolt, as such, Luther, and most everyone knew that it was no magic carpet ride to heaven, but somewhere in the process of defiance against the Church, Our Blessed Mother, once a popular and very great and necessary asset, loved and venerated by all, became a major hinderance and obsticle to salvation for those who separated themselves for the Catholic Church.

Our Lady is still a very great and necessary asset - that has never changed. What has changed though, is people's faith. This change came about because people severed themselves from the Church that God Himself came down to earth to establish, under the guise of an obvious mis-nomer called "The Reformation".

50 posted on 11/01/2004 11:30:02 AM PST by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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