Posted on 10/31/2004 1:06:55 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
No. Scapular was given to us hundreds of years before (200 at least). The scapular is also not permission to go out and commit mortal sin.
Your edging on being very offensive.
Just FYI: Many hard core proddies (read: Calvinists on FR) have a very low opnion of the sinners prayer.
<< Your [sic] edging on being very offensive. >>
Right.
On the one hand: Here's a sect sending folks off to Hell with the false hope that wearing a magic garment will guarantee their safety.
On the other hand: Here's me mentioning the fact in passing. (On a "Reformation Sunday" thread, no less.)
And you solemnly intone that *I* am "edging on being offensive."
Got it.
Well, here's something you may REALLY find offensive:
"This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:11-12)
Dan
Yes, I agree that all of these fortresses must fall, but the biggest sin of our land is unbelief. Our nation has embraced 'Chance' as it's god and unbridled lawlessness and hedonism as it's lifestyle. Pray that the America would repent from it's wallowing in this mirey sin pit and look to our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, for Salvation.
Yes, a turning back to the Word of God. In-errantly directed by the Holy Spirit and Christ's words available to all the peoples. What a joy to search the Scriptures on the Internet!
"He who has my word and Keeps it, he it is who loves me, and he who loves me shall be loved by my Father, and we will come to him and make our abode with him".
For so many years, Christ's words were suppressed. The enemy attempts to suppress God's word, even now.
Eat God's word today, be transformed by the renewing of your mind through it. God's word will never pass away, and for the believer there is no end to it's blessing and value.
Reformation Sunday is a misnomer since a reformation did not happen. A revolt and severance from the Catholic Church is what happened and has Luther as its cornerstone and founder.
If you're saying that the Roman Catholic Church did not fundamentally change (i.e. reform), you're basically right. It has worsened some, but along the same lines.
Dan
I agree that there were things happening in the Church at that time that were in need of reformation, but to separate from the Catholic Church due in no small part to Luther, an apostate Catholic monk, is not an act of reformation, it is an act of open defiance to the Church that Christ Himself established.
The Brown Scapular was around long before the Revolt, as such, Luther, and most everyone knew that it was no magic carpet ride to heaven, but somewhere in the process of defiance against the Church, Our Blessed Mother, once a popular and very great and necessary asset, loved and venerated by all, became a major hinderance and obsticle to salvation for those who separated themselves for the Catholic Church.
Our Lady is still a very great and necessary asset - that has never changed. What has changed though, is people's faith. This change came about because people severed themselves from the Church that God Himself came down to earth to establish, under the guise of an obvious mis-nomer called "The Reformation".
Gave a 7 minute bio of John Calvin in church this Sunday. It was well recieved.
Theoretically, you should have 30,000 Reformation Days, since that's about how many times Protestant churches have split to form new denominations.
Thanks, Martin X 30,000.
X
I just voted in a Methodist church and noticed on the wall a celebration of Reformation Sunday. What's going on? Are you guys celebrating Luther and Calvin now? :O)
In fact,the 2 major views on the reformation are (1)theological separation from Rome, and (2) ecclesiastical separation from Rome.
Take the Anglican Church for example. Many consider it to have been Henry VIII who took England out of the Catholic Church. That actually isn't accurate because his daughter Mary restored the Roman Church in England following Henry's death.
It was Elizabeth I who permanently took Anglicanism out of the Roman Church.
You see there the ecclesiastical separation. Anglicanism also included the theological separation as well. Many (most?) of the early Anglicans were deterministic/calvinistic. However, those who haven't been still advocated reforming doctrine based on an emphasis on Grace Through Faith and Centrality of Scripture.
There are many more groups besides the Anglicans, Lutherans, and Geneva Calvinists who ecclesiastically separated from Rome and practiced the reforming of doctrine.
How many Popes are you up to?
Depends.
Is fidelis serious about 30,000 proddie denominations? (Something we have shot down repeatedly.)
I can be just as serious or facetious.......
Where have you shot down the theory that there are 30,000 dem.? Please cite.
Numerous times, last time I remember 'bout a year ago. Please read the link and pay attention the part of Catholic sectlets.......
If you want to continue I'll be happy to trot out the Catholic Popes.....
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