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REFORMATION SUNDAY
Presbyterian Historical Society ^ | Sunday, October 31, 2004

Posted on 10/31/2004 1:06:55 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg

The Church celebrates Reformation Sunday on the last Sunday of October, commemorating a significant event in the history of the Reformed tradition. It was on October 31, 1517, that Martin Luther posted his 95 theses on the door of the church in Wittenberg...

Reformation Sunday

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TOPICS: History; Mainline Protestant; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: calvin; gracealone; luther; martinluther; protestants; reformation; reformers; solascriptura
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To: BibChr

No. Scapular was given to us hundreds of years before (200 at least). The scapular is also not permission to go out and commit mortal sin.


41 posted on 11/01/2004 4:38:15 AM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: BibChr

Your edging on being very offensive.


42 posted on 11/01/2004 4:39:26 AM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: Campion
A scapular no more guarantees a Catholic heaven than reciting the sinner's prayer guarantees a Protestant heaven.

Just FYI: Many hard core proddies (read: Calvinists on FR) have a very low opnion of the sinners prayer.

43 posted on 11/01/2004 4:46:53 AM PST by Gamecock (GRPL: No secret handshakes, passwords, or rituals. Just God's Holy Word. (but with a cool logo!))
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To: CouncilofTrent; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; ...

<< Your [sic] edging on being very offensive. >>

Right.

On the one hand: Here's a sect sending folks off to Hell with the false hope that wearing a magic garment will guarantee their safety.

On the other hand: Here's me mentioning the fact in passing. (On a "Reformation Sunday" thread, no less.)

And you solemnly intone that *I* am "edging on being offensive."

Got it.

Well, here's something you may REALLY find offensive:

"This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:11-12)

Dan


44 posted on 11/01/2004 5:34:07 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: jobim
I pray that we work together ever more closely, with ever more conviction, in the public square, against the issues that bind us to Christ in opposition to Satan:

Yes, I agree that all of these fortresses must fall, but the biggest sin of our land is unbelief. Our nation has embraced 'Chance' as it's god and unbridled lawlessness and hedonism as it's lifestyle. Pray that the America would repent from it's wallowing in this mirey sin pit and look to our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, for Salvation.

45 posted on 11/01/2004 5:55:01 AM PST by sr4402
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To: RnMomof7
Blessed reformation day!

Yes, a turning back to the Word of God. In-errantly directed by the Holy Spirit and Christ's words available to all the peoples. What a joy to search the Scriptures on the Internet!

"He who has my word and Keeps it, he it is who loves me, and he who loves me shall be loved by my Father, and we will come to him and make our abode with him".

For so many years, Christ's words were suppressed. The enemy attempts to suppress God's word, even now.

Eat God's word today, be transformed by the renewing of your mind through it. God's word will never pass away, and for the believer there is no end to it's blessing and value.

46 posted on 11/01/2004 6:01:59 AM PST by sr4402
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To: BibChr
Hey, you brought up the Scapular (the Brown Scapular) and that Johann Tezel (im tired so my spelling is weak) stuff is old. On another point, you still don't listen to what another FReeper told you: the scapular isn't a ticket to heaven. The Church even declares this.

BALTIMORE CATECHISM NO.3

Q 1060: How may persons sin in using Sacramentals?


A. Persons may sin in using sacramentals by using them in a way or for a purpose prohibited by the Church; also by believing that the use of Sacramentals will save us in spite of our sinful lives. We must remember that sacramentals can aid us only through the blessing the Church gives them and through the good dispositions they excite in us. They have, therefore, no power in themselves, and to put too much confidence in their use leads to superstition.
47 posted on 11/01/2004 7:17:38 AM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: BibChr; CouncilofTrent
"This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:11-12)

Reformation Sunday is a misnomer since a reformation did not happen. A revolt and severance from the Catholic Church is what happened and has Luther as its cornerstone and founder.

48 posted on 11/01/2004 9:41:13 AM PST by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Stubborn

If you're saying that the Roman Catholic Church did not fundamentally change (i.e. reform), you're basically right. It has worsened some, but along the same lines.

Dan


49 posted on 11/01/2004 9:53:42 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr; CouncilofTrent
The Reformation, is more appropriately known in less popular circles as "The Revolt", or "The Great Revolt" because it was not cause for reformation within the Church, it was cause for the advent of Protestantism, which was the separation from the Catholic Church in protest.

I agree that there were things happening in the Church at that time that were in need of reformation, but to separate from the Catholic Church due in no small part to Luther, an apostate Catholic monk, is not an act of reformation, it is an act of open defiance to the Church that Christ Himself established.

The Brown Scapular was around long before the Revolt, as such, Luther, and most everyone knew that it was no magic carpet ride to heaven, but somewhere in the process of defiance against the Church, Our Blessed Mother, once a popular and very great and necessary asset, loved and venerated by all, became a major hinderance and obsticle to salvation for those who separated themselves for the Catholic Church.

Our Lady is still a very great and necessary asset - that has never changed. What has changed though, is people's faith. This change came about because people severed themselves from the Church that God Himself came down to earth to establish, under the guise of an obvious mis-nomer called "The Reformation".

50 posted on 11/01/2004 11:30:02 AM PST by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Gave a 7 minute bio of John Calvin in church this Sunday. It was well recieved.


51 posted on 11/01/2004 2:29:15 PM PST by irishtenor (If stupidity were painful, the Democrats would NEED paid health care...)
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To: BibChr

Theoretically, you should have 30,000 Reformation Days, since that's about how many times Protestant churches have split to form new denominations.

Thanks, Martin X 30,000.


52 posted on 11/01/2004 7:20:03 PM PST by fidelis (fidelis)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; xzins

X

I just voted in a Methodist church and noticed on the wall a celebration of Reformation Sunday. What's going on? Are you guys celebrating Luther and Calvin now? :O)


53 posted on 11/02/2004 3:52:40 AM PST by HarleyD ("My wrath is kindled...because you have not spoken of Me what is right" Job 42:7)
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To: HarleyD; P-Marlowe
The reformation has more branches than folks realize...not everyone associates the reformation with the deterministic theology of Augustine.

In fact,the 2 major views on the reformation are (1)theological separation from Rome, and (2) ecclesiastical separation from Rome.

Take the Anglican Church for example. Many consider it to have been Henry VIII who took England out of the Catholic Church. That actually isn't accurate because his daughter Mary restored the Roman Church in England following Henry's death.

It was Elizabeth I who permanently took Anglicanism out of the Roman Church.

You see there the ecclesiastical separation. Anglicanism also included the theological separation as well. Many (most?) of the early Anglicans were deterministic/calvinistic. However, those who haven't been still advocated reforming doctrine based on an emphasis on Grace Through Faith and Centrality of Scripture.

There are many more groups besides the Anglicans, Lutherans, and Geneva Calvinists who ecclesiastically separated from Rome and practiced the reforming of doctrine.

54 posted on 11/02/2004 5:07:47 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: fidelis

How many Popes are you up to?


55 posted on 11/02/2004 5:14:07 AM PST by Gamecock (GRPL: No secret handshakes, passwords, or rituals. Just God's Holy Word. (but with a cool logo!))
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To: Gamecock
Are you being facetious?
56 posted on 11/02/2004 12:50:58 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: CouncilofTrent; fidelis
Are you being facetious?

Depends.

Is fidelis serious about 30,000 proddie denominations? (Something we have shot down repeatedly.)

I can be just as serious or facetious.......

57 posted on 11/02/2004 12:59:52 PM PST by Gamecock (GRPL: No secret handshakes, passwords, or rituals. Just God's Holy Word. (but with a cool logo!))
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To: Gamecock
Does it matter if the number is 500 or 5 million? No. The fact of the matter is that there are several (hundreds at least) Protestant denominations that preach different interpretations of the Bible? Who's right? IE: transubstantiation against the simple "meal".
58 posted on 11/02/2004 4:17:11 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: Gamecock

Where have you shot down the theory that there are 30,000 dem.? Please cite.


59 posted on 11/02/2004 4:18:21 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: CouncilofTrent; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; HarleyD; irishtenor
http://sxws.com/charis/apol44.htm

Numerous times, last time I remember 'bout a year ago. Please read the link and pay attention the part of Catholic sectlets.......

If you want to continue I'll be happy to trot out the Catholic Popes.....

60 posted on 11/02/2004 6:25:39 PM PST by Gamecock (GRPL: No secret handshakes, passwords, or rituals. Just God's Holy Word. (but with a cool logo!))
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