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1 posted on 12/09/2004 1:15:39 PM PST by ZGuy
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"God is dead" - Neitchze

"Atheism is dead" - science


2 posted on 12/09/2004 1:22:03 PM PST by mike182d
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At 81 you may want to start making plans for the next step.


3 posted on 12/09/2004 2:07:18 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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There are never any atheist's in foxholes.

At 81, he is in the foxhole now. Kinda sad, but reality.

4 posted on 12/09/2004 2:10:18 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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My grandfather was a self-professed Atheist all his life. Until his death at 101. Or rather, until right before his death when he changed his mind.


5 posted on 12/09/2004 2:18:55 PM PST by isthisnickcool (John Kerry in 2008!)
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I sure hope this thread attracts the Fr-atheists, I'm waiting for their responses.

I'm praying they respond. ;-)


6 posted on 12/09/2004 2:19:54 PM PST by wallcrawlr
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bump for Later


8 posted on 12/09/2004 3:05:59 PM PST by Pagey (Hillary talking about the bible is as hypocritical as Bill carrying one out of church for 8 years)
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One Flew, out of the "cuckoo's nest"...


10 posted on 12/09/2004 3:06:59 PM PST by mikrofon (Academe)
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"It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism,"

200 years ago there was no better explanation for how man came to be than the 6 day story of creation. By today's standards, that assumption is ridiculous, in time, Flew's statement above will be too.


13 posted on 12/09/2004 3:12:22 PM PST by Alacarte (Madam I'm adaM)
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He accepts Darwinian evolution but doubts it can explain the ultimate origins of life.

Please, anyone who fights against the teaching of evolution in public schools, please read and understand this line.

Creationist ideas and the new "intelligent design" fad are not science. Doesn't mean they're not right, just that they make no testable predictions. More importantly, they do not conflict in any way with the concepts and teaching of evolution, which does not, despite many people's conception of it, claim any starting point or origin of life. Darwinian evolution merely describes how organisms change, not how they began. Plus, added bonus, it is scientific, which means it makes predictions about the fossil record that can then be proved or disproved. Please don't muddle the scientific education of our children with things that are not science.

Sorry to rant, but I've been distressed by the number of stories in the news lately about "evolution vs. ", when there is in fact to conflict there to speak of.

15 posted on 12/09/2004 3:18:51 PM PST by munchtipq
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"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said.

Flew evolved from ignorant "atheist" to idiotic "deist."

It's amazing how many so-called "intellectuals" run a deficit when it comes to adding 2+2 or common sense.

16 posted on 12/09/2004 3:20:58 PM PST by F16Fighter
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"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins,"

Well, I do remember something about his son(s) dying...

18 posted on 12/09/2004 3:31:33 PM PST by MWS
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BTTT


19 posted on 12/09/2004 3:35:55 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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GI Ping


20 posted on 12/09/2004 3:37:15 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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A very interesting read!


21 posted on 12/09/2004 3:41:04 PM PST by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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Flew is a philosopher and as such can choose to use different schools of thought to explore problems. He has the flexibility of being able to explore ideas of creation outside of the confides of scientific methodology. He can choose to believe in things using standards of his own selection. Atheists aren't all cut from the same block of wood, some of us have different philosophical backgrounds. I've read Flew would say that his acceptance of ID seems reasonable to his standards ( which have changed through the years) but not to someone who resides staunchly in the school of modern skepticism like myself.


22 posted on 12/09/2004 3:45:50 PM PST by stacytec
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He's probably gotten over hating the old man and being a smart guy realizes that calling oneself an atheist is really an untenable position.


23 posted on 12/09/2004 3:48:09 PM PST by jwalsh07
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Famous Atheist Now Believes in God

Excerpt:

NEW YORK - A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God — more or less — based on scientific evidence, and says so on a video released Thursday.

At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone interview from England.


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24 posted on 12/09/2004 3:48:54 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! )
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"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said.

Well, he still is wrong!

25 posted on 12/09/2004 3:50:33 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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Bump!


28 posted on 12/09/2004 4:18:26 PM PST by jonno (We are NOT a democracy - though we are democratic. We ARE a constitutional republic.)
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A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone interview from England.

Carrier assured atheists that Flew accepts only a "minimal God" and believes in no afterlife.

If I've got this straight, Flew thinks he needs God, in order to explain the existence of the complex Cosmos we've found ourselves in. But Flew also thinks that same God needs to be minimal.

Hmmmm....

29 posted on 12/09/2004 4:28:48 PM PST by syriacus (Who wanted Margaret Hassan murdered? What did she know about the oil-for-food scandal?)
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