Agreed, but again, this applies to witnesses.
Since you asked for documents, here it is: 
Posted on 01/18/2005 8:29:05 PM PST by Coleus
You thread into explaining my motivation, not discussing the evidence. My motivation does not affect the veracity of evidence.
Take a look at U.S. National Archives and Records Administration site.
And rest assured, I have no "twisted desire to promote falsehoods against the Church".
But I have desire to tell the facts.
No doubt there were, are, and will be rotten ba$$tards at the Vatican, but you seem bent on smearing the entire Church because of the sins of some of its members. Look in a mirror next time you feel like casting a stone.
BTW, do you believe that the Vatican was complicit in the assassination of Lincoln?
And rightly so.
This ... stuff ... is of no more worth than "The Protocols etc.".
It is called impeaching credibility, and it is perfectly legitimate.
All sorts of crazy stuff is filed in the Archives, including KKK manifestos, UFO abductee ravings, and writings by those who believe the CIA has implanted monitors in their brains.
And the website you link to is obviously a showcase for nutcases.
When you have some valid, properly sourced documentation, post it, please.
It most certainly does.
24-9-68.
The state of a witness´s feelings toward the parties and his relationship to them may always be proved for the consideration of the jury.
No I do not. But it has nothing to do with the topic, ie. Pius XII support to the Croatian Nazis during and after WWII. Archbishop Stepinac who was in charge of forced conversions was promoted to Cardinal and beatified after the war.
Speaking of belief, do you believe in Pius' XII Crusade War?
Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus is a tried and true legal maxim.
It clearly applies in this case.
Man I haven't seen that one whooped out since about 1999 here.
How you doing AB?
BigMack
haven't seen that one whooped out
No need ... Nazi's aren't too popular around here. Unfortunately, other form of idiotic bigotry seem to have a following.
LOL...that always seems to come up when you and I talk. :)
Have a good day bud.
BigMack
This is true for witnesses. Witness attitude toward the accused can affect wintness memory and even cause false memory recollection.
But, I am not a witness. I believe that you have overlooked this detail.
We are talking about written documents in Government possession.
Regardless what I or you think about the document, we can not change it. We can only choose to speak about it or to remain silent.
Why there is so much of blunt logical fallacy whenever there is serious discusion about Vatican's role in WWII and post WWII events?
Your arguments are only as valuable as your credibility. Merely linking to documents is not pursuasive. Neither are your 'explanations' of what you believe those documents prove.
Look me up on a thread where idiotic bigotry is not the topic, and we can talk about something else.
The link is merely a search result for 10 documents in which Pavelic's name appears. You haven't produced any actual documents or internet postings of same. I guess you're claiming that if we went to the archives and took a look at that raw dossier, we'd find something incriminating the Vatican? If so, what?
At this point, YOU are the only witness around, and YOUR feelings are clearly conspiracy-oriented and anti-Catholic. Your motivation would impeach your statements in court, and that is a far more stringent test than we are required to apply in conversation.
As somebody said up the thread, this level of paranoia about the Vatican isn't healthy.
Agreed, but again, this applies to witnesses.
Since you asked for documents, here it is:
This is an American document which is a retrospective report regarding "visitors" in the custody of an American intelligence unit, who had been "completely processed in accordance with current directives and requirements" but needed to be moved out of the reach of the Soviets, who wanted them returned to their custody. They are referred to as "defectees" so they are apparently on the run from the Soviets. Could be Nazis, but could be intelligentsia or Austrian, Hungarian or Czech military that the Soviets wanted to eliminate (see Katyn Wood.)
The Americans employed the services of one Father Dragonivich, who is identified as a "Fascist, war criminal, etc." to move these individuals.
Not a word about the Nazis, not a word about the Vatican.
If this is the best you can do, it's nowhere near good enough to support your claims that the Vatican was involved.
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