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"I will not die before I canonize Pope Pius XII"
Inside the Vatican | Thursday, February 10, 2005 | Robert Moynihan

Posted on 02/10/2005 7:25:27 AM PST by CatherineSiena

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1 posted on 02/10/2005 7:25:27 AM PST by CatherineSiena
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To: CatherineSiena

Good and fair article.


2 posted on 02/10/2005 8:18:01 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: CatherineSiena; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; attagirl; goldenstategirl; ...
Catholic Discussion Ping!

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3 posted on 02/10/2005 8:19:26 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: CatherineSiena

This Pope has been good. I fear who they pick next.


4 posted on 02/10/2005 8:20:59 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: Salvation; CatherineSiena
Already posted.
5 posted on 02/10/2005 8:32:19 AM PST by ELS
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To: ELS

Thanks for putting it in the news forum.


6 posted on 02/10/2005 8:34:08 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: CatherineSiena
A commendable life. And I remember reading the Newsmax.com article protesting the NY Slimes hatchet job on Pius. The world has an agenda against religion and will stop at nothing to distort the record.

I also remember, in past decades, positive mentions of Pius helping the Jews. I became confused when the negative stories appeared, esp. in the past decade. Why the sudden turnaround?

7 posted on 02/10/2005 9:22:35 AM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: ELS

Lenten ping.


8 posted on 02/10/2005 9:42:01 AM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: CatherineSiena
The Catholic Church and the Holocaust

9 posted on 02/10/2005 9:49:45 AM PST by Coleus (What was Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Women)
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To: Salvation
THANKS FOR     THE PING!

10 posted on 02/10/2005 9:50:17 AM PST by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY to 2008 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: bmwcyle
This pope has been good. I fear who they pick next.

Here's hoping the Pope has a number of years left, but when the time comes to choose...there will be many interesting online discussions, we can be sure of that.

11 posted on 02/10/2005 10:23:05 AM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: Salvation

Oremus--and hard!


12 posted on 02/10/2005 10:44:46 AM PST by Theophane
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To: Mark in the Old South; thor76; murphE
Our sources tell us they believe that John Paul II, barring an unexpected crisis of the type which just occurred, will live for some time yet (one source suggested the figure "five more years").

Uh, er, this is awfully close to your prediction. *gulp*

13 posted on 02/10/2005 11:00:13 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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Re: “Our sources tell us they believe that John Paul II, barring an unexpected crisis of the type which just occurred, will live for some time yet (one source suggested the figure "five more years").”

Heah, someone has been stealing my prediction. A 33 year pontifical reign, that is what I am sticking with. I guess that makes it 6 more years.

Re: “Cornwell tells the full, tragic story of how narcissism, longstanding personal antipathy for the Jews, and political and spiritual ambition combined to make Pius the most dangerous churchman in history." It is this "most dangerous! churchman in history" whom Pope John Paul according to our sources, is persuaded deserves to be called a saint. How is this possible?”


Son, doncha know by now, when you have two diametrically opposed set of facts, one is based on lies and one on truth. That is unless you have two equally false stories.
14 posted on 02/10/2005 11:54:07 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Note to GOP "Deliver or perish" Re: Specter I guess the GOP "chooses" to perish)
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To: Mark in the Old South; Canticle_of_Deborah

Those who would wish to derail the canonization of Pope Pius XII both inside and outside the Church have one thing in common: hate.

They hate Pius......because he WAS piety itself in his life & example which he gave to others. Authors outside the Church....Jewish, Protestant, Agnostic, or whatever hate him because he exemplified Christ to the world. Because of this, he cannot be shown as having done any "good". That which he did - overtly and covertly - for both Jews and other non-Catholics in Europe, to protect them, must be ignored or at least glossed over.

Not so much as these things advance the agenda of what some have referred to as the "holocaust machine", but because they speak of hatred for Christ, His Church, and those who would revere & follow Him and His Church.

The reality is that Pius did many things to help civilians all over Europe during the war - of every stripe. Much of it is and remains covert. It had to be so, as he could accomplish much more literal good via underground means then by overt actions which would have aroused reprisals against both Catholics and Jews. To have aroused such reprisals would be the military equivalent of "shooting yourself in the foot".

If one wants to get mad at anybody about WWII in general, and the rise of Hitler in particular, one should get mad at the US. Our government knew who Hitler was and what he was doing. FDR knew. And he knew about the internment/work/death camps. The public was kept in the dark, as was the average serviceman in the military, until the "discovery" of the camps toward the end of the war. Thus a lot of killing, maiming, and torture was permitted.

Pius XII's reward from the US for all of his valient covert work to save Jews, Christians, and others from imprisonment, torture & death? FDR had the Vatican bombed by Allied planes - despite promises to the contrary.

The policies of the United States government during WWI, and specifically of FDR, allowed Europe to be devastated of people and property, paving the way for Stalin's troops to overrun and capture half of Europe. This planned and agreed upon construction of the Iron Curtain sealed the fate of millions of Europeans in virtual slavery....with the everpresent threat of imprisonment and torture looming over them.

The "holocaust" of Catholic Europeans did not end in 1945. It lasted until 1989. In a sense it continues - in the spiritual sense, as they have now lost the faith which held them together during those dark years, which Pius XII kept alive behind the scenes.


15 posted on 02/10/2005 12:52:27 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: CatherineSiena

Interesting idea. Thanks for posting this!


16 posted on 02/10/2005 12:55:23 PM PST by livius
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To: thor76

Right on, Thor.

Pius XII also is the "face" of pre-Vatican II, so he has to be smeared for that reason alone by the "progressives". War or no war, they had to smear him, along with Pius IX because he was a stauch defender of the faith. And they have to reduce St. Pius X some sort of "sugar daddy" because he lowered the age of Communion.


17 posted on 02/10/2005 1:09:32 PM PST by jrny (Tenete traditionem quam tradidi vobis)
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Thank you I will write again Jan Pawel II is good now G-D help Jan Pawel II He is very very important.Thank you
18 posted on 02/10/2005 1:21:57 PM PST by anonymoussierra (Quo Vadis Domine? Quo Vadis? Thank you)
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To: jrny

Good observation! Then we also have the prophecies of St. Malachy:

Pope St. Pius X: "Ignis Ardens"......burning fire.......he was full of profound zeal for the faith. (1903-14)

Pope Benedict XV: "Religio Depopulata"......religion de-populated.......Christendom (Catholic Europe) was smashed & depopulated; its monarchies and civilisation overthrown in WWI. His pleas for peace, and solutions for the war were ignored and laughed at by political globalists. Except Blessed Karl of Hapsburg. (1914-1922)

Pope Pius XI: "Fides Intrepida"........fearless faith......he was known as the pope of the Propagation of the Faith.

Pope Pius XII: "Pastor Angelicus:.......the angelic pastor.......a pope of unquestioned holiness.


19 posted on 02/10/2005 1:27:43 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: Theophane

btt


20 posted on 02/10/2005 6:08:57 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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