Did They Love You, Pope John Paul II?

The Remnant ^ | 9th April 2005 | Christopher Ferrara

[Salvation]

John Paul II Gallery of Pictures [Photos]

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( LIVE THREAD ) Solemn Funeral Rites for Pope John Paul II (Resource Materials for those watching)

Over a thousand posts say you (as well as the author of this nutty piece) are wrong!

[Salvation]

Thanks for the reminder!

[Grey Ghost II]

apparently many world leaders did love Pope John Paul II

"If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you." (John 15:18)

"Woe to you when men shall bless you: for according to these things did their fathers to the false prophets." (Luke 6:26)

[pgkdan]

Pure tripe. Why did you waste the bandwidth?

[Grey Ghost II]

Over a thousand posts say you (as well as the author of this nutty piece) are wrong!

So the majority rules? Arius' followers thought so.

[Grey Ghost II]

So the majority rules? Arius' followers thought so.

As a matter of fact, so did the all "Catholic" bishops of England, at one time, save St. John Fisher.

[Grey Ghost II]

What is ironic is this nutball attaches himself to this Pope for the very same reason he castigates others - using the Pope to further their own unorthodox ideas.

Mahoney and Kasper attach themselves to the Pope.

[Grey Ghost II]

Certainly doesn't address the point I was making, does it?

It certainly does.

If the Vatican HAD NOT used Latin, the Pope would have gotten slammed. So because they USED Latin, he gets slammed anyway.

Unity in diversity!

[gbcdoj]

So the majority rules? Arius' followers thought so.

The majority of Catholics were opposed to Arius. See Newman's essay On Consulting the Faithful in Matters of Doctrine.

[gbcdoj]

Correct link:

http://www.newmanreader.org/works/rambler/consulting.html

[Grey Ghost II]

Your first link was more appropriate:

5. A.D. 341. Great Council of the Dedication at Antioch, attended by ninety or a hundred Bishops. The council ratified the proceedings of the Councils of Cæsarea and Tyre, {447} and placed an Arian in the See of Athanasius. Then it proceeded to pass a dogmatic decree in reversal of the formula of the "Consubstantial." Four or five creeds, instead of the Nicene, were successively adopted by the assembled Fathers.

[sinkspur]

This is the figurehead Pope of Masonic dreams

Chrissy Ferrara is so full of himself I'm taking bets as to when he's going to explode.

This is exactly what one can expect from an outfit whose stated directive to John Paul II was

We resist you to your face!

Notice how none of these guys can say something in 500 words. Prolix hounds, all of them.

[sinkspur]

Every word of the liturgical text for the procession of the Pope’s body into St. Peter’s was intoned in Latin, every vestment was of the most dignified traditional design, and there was not a woman, lay reader or guitar in sight.

BZZZZZZ!!! Wrong, Chrissy. There were women readers, and women leaders of the prayers of the faithful.

[gbcdoj]

Your first link was more appropriate:

If you had read both, you'd know that the same paragraph is in each.

Congratulations on totally missing the point.

In spite of these attempts, however, on the part of the Arians, still, viewing Christendom as a whole, we shall find that the Catholic populations sided with Athanasius; and the fierce disputes above described evidenced the zeal of the orthodox rather than the strength of the heretical party. This will appear in the following extracts:—

[nonsumdignus]

It's almost humorous how ostrich-like many treat any criticism of the previous pontiff immediately by branding it as "protestant", "schismatic", "hateful", "nuts", without even as much discussing the objective merits of the argument presented. The author presented objective facts and formed a conclusion; in response, you all present ad hominem attacks and dismissive remarks. Fine if you don't agree with him, but at least give some evidence and analysis to the support your response. It actually gives more credibility to the article that none can give an adequate argument to the contrary of his suppositions.

At least look have the honesty to consider at how we have arrived to the present crisis in the Church... do you deny that we are infected by the sum of all heresies, which the Pope himself acknowledged, or do you deny that he had any responsibility to stop it and not implicitly encourage it?

[Grey Ghost II]

Get your facts straight. Ferrara did not co-author that article.

BTW, St. Paul resisted the first Pope, St. Peter, to his face.

[sinkspur]

Doesn't matter if he co-authored it. The Remnant is the organ of the "We resist you to your face" movment: a perpetually angry, rag-tag crowd of malcontents.

[sinkspur]

Fine if you don't agree with him, but at least give some evidence and analysis to the support your response.

OK. Ferrara's a prevaricator. He said there were no women, or lay readers at JPII's funeral.

There were, in fact, both.

If he didn't watch the Mass, he should say so. But don't try to pull a fast one on those who did.