Posted on 04/14/2005 7:15:40 PM PDT by Destro
I thought you were Orthodox? They don't subscribe to Sola Scriptura do they? Mel also made use of the visions granted to Blessed Anne Katherine Emmerich, from what I understand.
Want proof from the New Testament?
When he was about to be taken into the barracks, Paul said to the Tribune, "May I speak to you?" "Do you know Greek?" the Tribune asked. Acts 21:37 WEY
Paul, a Jew and a citizen of Rome chose to speak to a Tribune, not in Latin nor in Hebrew but in Greek.
Want more proof? Pilate designed Roman coins for the region - you now what language they were in for Judea? Greek!
Pilate's coins are Roman coins, the words on them are Greek, they were circulated in Judea, and today they are to be found distributed among world-wide collectors after having spent 2000 years buried in the earth. They were minted and used during a period which produced an event destined to change the face of the world, and issued at the command of one of the principal actors in that event. An amazing and dramatic destiny for apparently such humble and unassuming little coins !
A) This is not a case of Sola Scriptura vs. tradition. Anne Katherine Emmerich had these visions in the 19th century. Nice try - no cigar.
And that definitively negates their accuracy how?
Link to good article about the apparently controversial nun.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1087738/posts
Because they are visions after the fact they can only be taken in faith. Which is fine - but don't hold it those visions up as historically or scripturally accurate.
You are wrong on the first and more wrong than right on the second.
said nun's vision....etc
Passion plays are by definition reenactments of the New Testament scriptures. I was correct. Also the issue was Gibson having a history of making historically based movies whose histories are very inaccurate. To someone like me, that kills the pleasure of being entertained by a historically based movie - to someone ignorant of the history ignorance is movie bliss. And yes there are many history based movies - fact and fiction based - that are extremly accurate and enjoyable.
This isn't a play, this is a film.
are by definition
Whoa! Put down the crack pipe, you told me Gibson himself said it was meant to be historically accurate.
Also the issue
Now you're deflecting.
To someone like me,
And what, exactly, makes someone like you? There are undoubtedly certain activities I need to avoid.
that kills the pleasure of being entertained by a historically based movie
As I said, find me one without flaws. You didn't. I offered one of the greatest "histories" of all time -- you claimed it wasn't even supposed to be a history.
to someone ignorant of the history
Oh, here we go...</eyeroll>
And yes there are many history based movies - fact and fiction based - that are extremly accurate and enjoyable.
If there are many, there exists at least one. (I don't mean to confuse you with advanced mathematics, here.) Name it.
Stupid comment.
I can't name the movies off hand without googling them since I am not a movie buff but history based movies that are historically accurate that depict a true historical event or portray the historical era correctly (even if a work of fiction) are as follows:
In the fact based movie side:
Zulu with Michael Cain
The Crossing with Jeff Daniels as George washington (Battle of Trenton)
Gettysburg also with Jeff Daniels
Schindler's List
The Wannsee Conference - German film about the meeting that ploted he Final Solution. Very chilling and accurate.
Downfall ( Der Untergang ) - German film nominated for an Oscar about the final days of Hitler in the Bunker.
Band of Brothers HBO miniseries
In the fiction side:
Master and Commander - accurate details and dialogue
Saving Private Ryan
The rest of what you wrote is not worth a comment.
Unflawed and perfectly historically accurate? Again, you said the Passion was merely "flawed". Schindler and Gettysburg had philosophical points of view that colored the historical accuracy as much as or more than, say, Braveheart. And we know that Schindler's List was guilty of a huge lie of omission vis-a-vis firearms.
The rest of what you wrote is not worth a comment.
Now you know how the rest of us feel.
I think the insertion of the devil character and the deformed baby indicates that Gibson was not making a documentary and I think it should be given the same license as any other film or play. Viz. Julius Caesar.
Like I said - Ignorance is bliss.
Then I leave you to your contentment.
| Apr. 13, 2005 | from NewsMax.com |
Mel Gibson: 'No' John Paul II Film
The story ricocheted across the globe, was headlined in European newspapers, in India and even in Malaysia: Mel Gibson is making a film about the late Pope John Paul II and even had a crew filming the Pope's funeral in Rome last week.
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It began with an item in Cindy Adams' gossip column in the New York Post, got picked up by the world's media, and was promptly denied by Gibson's Hollywood office on Tueday. Gibson's office simply said the story was "false." The media should have recalled the widely publicized fact that Mel Gibson, a traditionalist Catholic who has not embraced Vatican II reforms in the Church, has been no fan of the late Pope John Paul II. But the Pope was apparently a fan of Gibson's. Shortly before it's release, John Paul II had a private viewing of Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" and reportedly remarked, "It is as it was." The Pope made his comment to his good friend Msgr. Stanislaw Dziwisz. Still, not all is rosy between Mel and the Vatican. In her column even Cindy Adams noted that Gibson, a devout Catholic, had railed against the Vatican in the past, but went on to report that he had even sent a camera crew to the Vatican to film the spectacular crowds and funeral pageantry. According to Jeannette Walls on MSNBC's The Scoop, a source tried to explain Gibson's failure to attend the funeral by saying that Mel "had hoped to visit to view the body, but the logistics of it all were complicated. You can't have a star like Mel Gibson waiting in line like that -- it would have created a scene -- but I guess it wouldn't have been appropriate to have him moved ahead of the crowd like a foreign dignitary." Walls noted that Gibson is a member of the Society of Pius X, a dissident group that rejects Vatican II, scorns the Novus Ordo (the new liturgy) and uses only the Latin Mass, and had been rebuffed by Pope John Paul II. The Society's founder, the late French archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, was excommunicated by the Church, which does not recognize the Society. Yet Gibson once reacted angrily when asked by the Los Angeles Times about his membership in the Society. "Enough is enough," he told the Times. "They're trying to make me some cult wacko. All I do is go and pray. For myself. For my family. For the whole world. That's what I do." |
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