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Mel may put Pope on film
heraldsun.news.com.au ^ | 15apr05 | heraldsun.news.com.au

Posted on 04/14/2005 7:15:40 PM PDT by Destro

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To: Destro
Had enough?

Just because these accounts were not directly from the Gospel doesn't mean that the events didn't happen. How do you know Anne-Catherine Emerich's visions were not accurate?

41 posted on 04/15/2005 11:53:19 AM PDT by Judica me
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To: Destro
I can't name the movies off hand without googling them since I am not a movie buff but history based movies that are historically accurate that depict a true historical event or portray the historical era correctly (even if a work of fiction) are as follows:

How do you know these are accurate accounts? Unless you were there, you have no way of knowing?

42 posted on 04/15/2005 11:57:05 AM PDT by Judica me
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To: Judica me
I guess there is no such thing as a stupid question. I have a vast library of history books and resources. The kind of books that entertain me are reference books like - fashions of the 1800s. etc. I mean it is called reading and studying. You also can become a history buff.
43 posted on 04/15/2005 12:15:21 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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I have a vast library of history books and resources.

I bet my library is bigger than yours...and, I have a book written by Ann-Catherine Emerich. According to my library, the accounts depicted in The Passion of the Christ are accurate.

44 posted on 04/15/2005 12:59:16 PM PDT by Judica me
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To: Destro

You were there?


45 posted on 04/15/2005 1:12:06 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: Judica me
Ann-Catherine Emerich based what she wrote on her "channeling" the knowledge. She made it up.

Basing history on "channeling" makes it voodoo history.

It may be a mater of faith to you, but your faith is not fact.

46 posted on 04/15/2005 1:13:18 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I am there every time I read the New Testament in the original Koine Greek. I am there every time I look at a Roman coin that Pilate designed for Judea written in Greek - not Hebrew nor in Latin. Enjoy the link I provided to the coins. Saying if I was there is the most ignorant thig a person can write as a way to support their case - so much scholarship and original written sources exist (like the scene from Acts that I provided) that to claim ignorance over the use of Greek or Latin in the Holy Land is absurd.


47 posted on 04/15/2005 1:17:57 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Some reading for you @ # 23


48 posted on 04/15/2005 1:18:58 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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Ann-Catherine Emerich based what she wrote on her "channeling" the knowledge. She made it up.

You don't know that. Prove that her visions were not given to her by Our Lord. You can't. The best you can say is that you do not accept them to be authentic.

49 posted on 04/15/2005 1:19:49 PM PDT by murphE (Never miss an opportunity to kiss the hand of a holy priest.)
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To: Destro
Ann-Catherine Emerich based what she wrote on her "channeling" the knowledge. She made it up.

Moses based what he wrote, the Ten Commandments, on his "channeling" the knowledge. He made it up.

50 posted on 04/15/2005 1:24:26 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: Destro
but your faith is not fact.

neither is some book you pull off your shelf in your library.

51 posted on 04/15/2005 1:30:11 PM PDT by Judica me
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You can not prove faith based anything - that is why it is called faith. If a Hindu asled for proof her vision were true what would you offer? Your good word? Now if the movie was entitled 'Ann-Catherine Emerich's The Passion of the Christ' then we would have no argument. The Passion is not a movie based on strict scriptural interpretation.
52 posted on 04/15/2005 1:47:01 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

There is nothing in the NT about the Temple Guards taking part in the beating of Jesus. More anti-Semitism to add to all the rest.


53 posted on 04/15/2005 1:51:55 PM PDT by firebrand (Member of the proud brotherhood and sisterhood of copyeditors)
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To: Grey Ghost II

Not the same thing - The account of Moses was passed down through the generations presumebly by eye witness accounts - Ann-Catherine Emerich's vision came out of the blue (if you will). She had to go BACK in time to see what no one ever claimed they saw before - how can you possibly compare the two?


54 posted on 04/15/2005 1:54:24 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Salvation
All I do is go and pray. For myself. For my family. For the whole world. That's what I do.

This is ridiculous. He does a lot more than this. He's painting himself as some kind of contemplative, cut off from the real world.

55 posted on 04/15/2005 1:56:30 PM PDT by firebrand (Member of the proud brotherhood and sisterhood of copyeditors)
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To: Judica me

I proved it through the New Testament and pictures of coins from Judea at the time of Pilate. See the above links. What do you have to prove your case? (Whatever that case is - I don't know what you are defending? The OVER use of Latin or the claim that Ann-Catherine Emerich's vision is indeed how Christ spent his last hours - even if it contradicts the New Testament accounts.


56 posted on 04/15/2005 1:57:06 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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I will not comment on the antisemitism but I agree that it is not in the NT
57 posted on 04/15/2005 1:58:17 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Judica me

>> If he does it, it's for the money. He did not respect JPII. <<

Let's see what spin he reads JP's work through. I read JP2 as having reigned in the horrific post-concillar abuses of Paul6, and thereby setting the stage for the return of authentic worship (although universal Tridentine worship seems unlikely). Remember that he who tells history shapes the future.


58 posted on 04/16/2005 9:04:15 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Destro

OK, after the bit about Latin:

Do you know any of those points to be historical inaccuracies? The same could be said for any wording which was not contained in the scriptures. They are expressions of Mel's theology, and so his artistic lisence on details which are lost to history. They do not mean that his histories are bad; merely that they are "historical drama," rather than documentary.

As for the Latin, his use of it was based on his conclusion of conflicting historical data. I recognize you come to a different conclusion, but you must understand that his use of Latin did not come from ignorance of the fact that Greek was a Lingua Franca in the Eastern Mediterranean.


59 posted on 04/16/2005 9:08:55 AM PDT by dangus
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Liek I said - I don't mind Mel making a movie based on his theology - but the posters here were defending it on points of historical accuracy and scriptural accuracy. They were upset I challenged the movie's accuracy in terms of history and scripture. In those areas I found the movie wanting.


60 posted on 04/16/2005 11:18:38 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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