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RATZINGER APPEARS TO FULFILL MALACHY PROPHECY [De Gloria Olivae]
SpiritDaily.com ^ | 04-19-05 | SpiritDaily.com

Posted on 04/19/2005 10:31:35 PM PDT by Salvation

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1 posted on 04/19/2005 10:31:36 PM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 04/19/2005 10:32:53 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

thank you"Salvation"


3 posted on 04/19/2005 10:41:32 PM PDT by anonymoussierra ("Et iube me venire ad te, ut cum Sanctis tuis laudem te in saecula saeculorum. Amen."Totus Tuus!!!!)
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To: Salvation
de labore solis, from the labor of the sun (with no clear explanation...

On another Malachi thread a reference to the East, i.e. Slavdom, as well as to the late Pope's incessant circling the Globe, were seen in the title.

4 posted on 04/19/2005 10:44:05 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

Explanation is that John Paul II was born during a solar eclipse and was buried on the day that there was a partial solar eclipse.


5 posted on 04/19/2005 10:46:19 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Bleak, but interesting article from Catholic Planet:

Future Map

 

6 posted on 04/19/2005 10:54:46 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Salamander

PING! (per our discussion)


7 posted on 04/19/2005 11:03:02 PM PDT by shibumi (Forget the Box! Try thinking outside the Oort.)
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To: Smartass

The Book of Revelation is a lot more than end time prophecies.

But that certainly is an interesting link.


8 posted on 04/19/2005 11:07:30 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation; NYer; All

this is for you Thank you

Catholic Online Saints
St. Benedict

In our modern world, we talk fast, we travel fast, and we even pray fast. Have you ever attended rosaries where people seem to say the words at breakneck speed -- apparently more worried about finishing before Mass starts than savoring each word? Our impatience to get to the end, our focus on completion rather than process is a real danger in reading Scripture when every word is from God and has a power all its own. Benedict knew that power because he took the time to let it work within him.

In the fifth century, the young Benedict was sent to Rome to finish his education with a nurse/housekeeper. The subject that dominated a young man's study then was rhetoric -- the art of persuasive speaking. A successful speaker was not one who had the best argument or conveyed the truth, but one who used rhythm, eloquence and technique to convince. The power of the voice without foundation in the heart was the goal of the student's education. And that philosophy was reflected in the lives of the students as well. They had everything -- education, wealth, youth -- and they spent all of it in the pursuit of pleasure not truth. Benedict watched in horror as vice unraveled the lives and ethics of his companions.

Afraid for his soul, Benedict fled Rome, gave up his inheritance, and lived in a small village with his nurse. When God called him beyond this quiet life to even deeper solitude, he went to the mountains of Subiaco. There he lived as a hermit under the direction of another hermit, Romanus. After years of prayer, word of his holiness brought nearby monks to ask for his leadership. He warned them he would be too strict for them, but they insisted -- then tried to poison him when his warning proved true.

So Benedict was on his own again -- but not for long. The next set of followers were more sincere and he set up twelve monasteries in Subiaco where monks lived in separate communities of twelve.

He left these monasteries abruptly when the envious attacks of another hermit made it impossible to continue the spiritual leadership he had taken.

But it was in Monte Cassino he founded the monastery that became the roots of the Church's monastic system. Instead of founding small separate communities he gathered his disciples into one whole community. His own sister, Saint Scholastica , settled nearby to live a religious life.

After almost 1500 years of monastic tradition his direction seems obvious to us. But Benedict was an innovator. No one had ever set up communities like his before or directed them with a rule. What is part of history to us now was a bold risky step into the future.

Benedict had the holiness and the ability to take this step. His beliefs and instructions on religious life were collected in what is now known as the Rule of Saint Benedict -- still directing religious life after 15 centuries.

In this tiny but powerful Rule, Benedict put what he had learned about the power of speaking and oratorical rhythms at the service of the Gospel. He did not drop out of school because he didn't understand the subject! Scholars have told us that his Rule reflects an understanding of and skill with the rhetorical rules of the time. Despite his experience at school, he understood rhetoric was as much a tool as a hammer was. A hammer could be used to build a house or hit someone over the head. Rhetoric could be used to promote vice ... or promote God. Benedict did not shun rhetoric because it had been used to seduce people to vice; he reformed it.

Benedict did not want to lose the power of voice to reach up to God simply because others had use it to sink down to the gutter. He reminded us "Let us consider our place in sight of God and of his angels. Let us rise in chanting that our hearts and voices harmonize." There was always a voice reading aloud in his communities at meals, to receive guests, to educate novices. Hearing words one time was not enough -- "We wish this Rule to be read frequently to the community."

Benedict realized the strongest and truest foundation for the power of words was the Word of God itself: "For what page or word of the Bible is not a perfect rule for temporal life?" He had experienced the power of God's word as expressed in Scripture: "For just as from the heavens the rain and snow come down and do not return there till they have watered the earth, making it fertile and fruitful, giving seed to him who sows and bread to him who eats, so shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth; It shall not return to me void, but shall do my will, achieving the end for which I sent it" (Isaiah 55:10-11).

For prayer, Benedict turned to the psalms, the very songs and poems from the Jewish liturgy that Jesus himself had prayed. To join our voices with Jesus in praise of God during the day was so important that Benedict called it the "Work of God." And nothing was to be put before the work of God. "Immediately upon hearing the signal for the Divine Office all work will cease." Benedict believed with Jesus that "One does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes forth from the mouth of God' " (Matthew 4:4).

This prayer, called the Divine Office, was to be chanted from the breviary at specific times of the day. If a monk could not make it to chapel, he was to immediately fall to his knees in the place where he in the fields, in the stable, wherever he was and perform the Work of God under the vault of the sky. There was nothing special about praying in a chapel -- or praying outdoors -- but there was something very special about the prayer. "We believe that God is everywhere," but "without doubt, we believe this is so especially when assisting in the Divine Office." The Church still believes Benedict's and considers the Divine Office the prayer of the Church.

But it wasn't enough to just speak the words. Benedict instructed his followers to practice sacred reading -- the study of the very Scriptures they would be praying in the Work of God. In this lectio divina, he and his monks memorized the Scripture, studied it, and contemplated it until it became part of their being. Four to six hours were set aside each day for this sacred reading. If monks had free time it "should be used by the brothers to practice psalms." Lessons from Scripture were to be spoken from memory not read from a book. On Benedict's list of "Instruments of Good Works" is "to enjoy holy readings."

This sacred reading, however, was a study in love, not intellect. Not just an exercise of the mind, it was an exercise of contemplation so that "our voices and hearts harmonize." Each word of God would soak into their minds, their hearts, their very souls, so that the prayers would spring up from the depths of their being, not just from their memory. "We realize that we will be heard for our pure and sorrowful hearts, not for the numbers of our spoken words." A heart was pure when it was empty of all but God's Word and our desire to remain in God's Word.

First came the lectio, reading the Scripture until a phrase was found that inspired the person to stop. Our natural tendency would be to read the phrase and think about what it means, what it has to do with our lives and then move on. But that was not part of sacred reading.

The next step was to memorize the phrase, repeat it over and over and over from memory without reading it, without thinking about it, just repeating it, until it seemed to be coming from the heart not the voice, until the power of the Word of God could take over.

When the phrase had lost all meaning except that power, the person would fall silent, still not thinking, but letting the inspiration of the Holy Spirit speak about the meaning in the heart. And finally the person would sink into contemplation, going beyond the voice, beyond the intellectual understanding, to sit in the presence of God in the divine Word.

In one story of Benedict's life, a poor man came to the monastery begging for a little oil. Although Benedict commanded that the oil be given, the cellarer refused -- because there was only a tiny bit of oil left. If the cellarer gave any oil as alms there would be none for the monastery. Angry at this distrust of God's providence, Benedict knelt down to pray. As he prayed a bubbling sound came from inside the oil jar. The monks watched in fascination as oil from God filled the vessel so completely that it overflowed, leaked out beneath the lid and finally pushed the cover off, cascading out on to the floor.

In Benedictine prayer, our hearts are the vessel empty of thoughts and intellectual striving. All that remains is the trust in God's providence to fill us. Emptying ourselves this way brings God's abundant goodness bubbling up in our hearts, first with an inspiration or two, and finally overflowing our heart with contemplative love.

Benedict died in 547 while standing in prayer before God.


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9 posted on 04/19/2005 11:08:13 PM PDT by anonymoussierra ("Et iube me venire ad te, ut cum Sanctis tuis laudem te in saecula saeculorum. Amen."Totus Tuus!!!!)
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To: Salvation
John Paul II
De labore solis
From the labor of the Sun


John Paul II's birthdate of May 18, 1920 coincided with the largest magnitude partial solar eclipse of the 20th century. The eclipse, one of only 228 solar eclipses during the century, did occur over Europe. His diocese of Krakow is the same place were Copernicus toiled and labored on his theory that the Sun was the center of the Solar System. He came from the East - Poland - the direction from which the Sun rises, and was the first non-Italian Pope in 455 years. The date of his funeral - April 8, 2005 - coincided with a rare hybrid eclipse.



John Paul I
De medietate lunae
From the half Moon


John Paul I's name was Albino Luciani which literally means "white light," as of the Moon. His diocese was Belluna, Italy which literally means "good Moon." His reign began on the phase of the half Moon, one day after its start. The term "half Moon" can also be interpreted as being symbolic of a short reign. He reigned for 34 days, starting from one day past the half Moon and ending just slightly less than a quarter past the next half Moon, but still within its phase. It has been reported that John Paul I privately predicted that his reign would be short and that he would be succeeded by Karol Wojtyla. Both predictions were correct. Incidentally, of the 100+ Cardinals in the August 1978 Conclave, Luciani and Wojtyla sat exactly across from each other in the Sistine Chapel. The official seating chart confirms this.

10 posted on 04/19/2005 11:11:35 PM PDT by Norman Bates (In memoriam: Pope John Paul II†, Theresa Marie Schindler†)
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To: Salvation
sounds like more panic types

why people get off for the end of the world is beyond me,

i seriously think people think witnessing the end of the world is such a WONDERFUL thing...scary

11 posted on 04/19/2005 11:15:13 PM PDT by MetalHeadConservative35 (22 years old,republican and bitter..why? because our polictians have the mentality of a 5 year old)
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To: Norman Bates

Thanks for that. I've forgotten where I saw it before!


12 posted on 04/19/2005 11:16:31 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MetalHeadConservative35

The prophecies of St. Malachy are private and are therefore neither eschatological nor part of the Catholic deposit of faith.


13 posted on 04/19/2005 11:19:25 PM PDT by Norman Bates (In memoriam: Pope John Paul II†, Theresa Marie Schindler†)
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To: All
From NewsMax

Eerie Prophecies Predicted Benedict XVI

When Cardinal Ratzinger was chosen to be the next pope, NewsMax did a Web search for "Benedict XVI" and we were surprised how many prophecies – some rather eerie and apocalyptic – had predicted the name this new pope would take.

The Daily News reported Tuesday that the Irish betting house Paddy Power had three odds-on-favorites: Ratzinger would be elected; it would take three days; and he would take the name Benedict XVI.

Two out of three isn’t bad. Chalk it up to the luck of the Irish – or a little Internet prophecy research.

One internet Web site, CatholicPlanet.com, has published a book by Ronald Conte entitled "The Bible and the Future of the World."

The site says it reveals, from a Catholic viewpoint in Sacred Scripture, God's plan for the future of the Church and the world.

"Many specific and startling predictions of events in the near and distant future are revealed," the site says.

The author claims that in 2009 or 2010, "Pope Benedict XVI" will die and be replaced by the last pope.

The selection of this pope seems to be intertwined with an "end times” biblical view.

On the site prophecies.us, a discussion in January 2005 of who might succeed Pope John Paul II had a post by "Dan," who predicted that on February 22, 2005 a new pope "will appear, and will call himself Pope Benedict XVI, the Pope of Peace, who will lead his church, all the faithful followers of the Lord Jesus Christ to their martyrdom, at the foot of the Cross that stands upon the Mount of Olives."

Dan addsed, "Whereupon the Monarch entering Israel, becomes Elijah, the gentile olive tree, and one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11.

"But Gloriae Olivae [The Glory of the Olives] will tear down the walls of the Vatican, auctioning off all the objects within, in order to feed and enlighten those in the 3rd World who have not yet heard the Gospel according to Christ, nor the prophet Pope's message that accompanies it.

"And he will convert hundreds of millions, for the Hand and Spirit of the Lord is upon him to fulfill His Will, for the sake of the Gentile nations, for which innocent must be shed, or there is no salvation for them."

Dan's reference to the The Glory of the Olives comes from St. Malachy.

As Dr. H.T. Spence relates in his "The Death of the Pope":

"An Irish bishop, Malachy in 1139 he went to Rome to give an account of the affairs of his diocese to Pope Innocent II, who promised him two palliums for the metropolitan Sees of Armagh and Cashel.

"While at Rome, he supposedly received a strange vision of the future wherein was unfolded before him the long list of illustrious pontiffs who were to rule the Roman Catholic Church until the end of time.

"History tells us that Malachy gave his manuscript to Innocent II to console him in the midst of his tribulations, and that the document remained unnoticed in the Roman Archives until its discovery in 1590."

Interestingly, writing well before the news that Cardinal Ratzinger had been selected, Spence details the connection between Malachy's prophecy for this pope and why many predicted this pope would call himself "Benedict XVI."

"According to Malachy, the 267th pope is called 'Gloria Olivae,' or 'glory of the olive.' Traditionally, the olive branch has been associated with peace, but in both the Old and New Testaments, it also serves as an emblem for the Jews.

"Putting the two together, some commentators believe that the reign of this pope will be dedicated to peace. However, some believe that Malachy's description may instead refer to St. Benedict's sixth-century prophecy that a member of his order will lead the Church in its fight against evil just before the Apocalypse.

"The Benedictine Order is known by another name, Olivetans.

"Those mystic observers in Rome believe if this is true, the next pope will go by the name of Pope Benedict XVI, in imitation of Saint Benedict and Pope Benedict XV. Benedict XV was a pope obsessed with peace: he sought peace and spoke of peace and wrote documents seeking peace."


14 posted on 04/19/2005 11:46:40 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: anonymoussierra
Prophecy
15 posted on 04/19/2005 11:56:59 PM PDT by Fred
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To: Fred

Thank you


16 posted on 04/20/2005 1:36:04 AM PDT by anonymoussierra ("Et iube me venire ad te, ut cum Sanctis tuis laudem te in saecula saeculorum. Amen."Totus Tuus!!!!)
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To: All

Spirit Daily needs to stop making the "seers" in Medjugorje rich....
http://www.udayton.edu/mary/questions/faq/faq27.html

They are looping our new Pope in the way they did the last one.


17 posted on 04/20/2005 3:47:53 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Oh Lord help me this day to keep my big mouth shut)
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To: netmilsmom

Michael Brown is a bit on the conspiratorial side. Just look at the stuff he puts up.


18 posted on 04/20/2005 4:25:46 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: netmilsmom
Spirit Daily needs to stop making the "seers" in Medjugorje rich....

I agree.

Testing the Spirit of Medjugorje

19 posted on 04/20/2005 5:10:01 AM PDT by murphE (Never miss an opportunity to kiss the hand of a holy priest.)
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To: Salvation
"He is a man who will maintain an accent on orthodoxy as well as on the Blessed Mother -- whom he mentioned right away in his first moments as pontiff."

Perfect choice!
20 posted on 04/20/2005 5:13:06 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: Salvation

Do you think this means that there is this pope and then one more pope, and that then there will be no more popes?

What will they do...change organizational styles? Rule through a council of Cardinals? Break up the Catholic Church?

Seriously, what's being suggested here?


21 posted on 04/20/2005 5:43:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
Seriously, what's being suggested here?

The Apocolypse.

22 posted on 04/20/2005 5:51:13 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (habemus papum, Benedict XVI)
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To: netmilsmom; murphE

If you would have gone over there, you would see that what they see is real. Were you to talk with the visionaries, and see their radiant faces, you would know that they talk with the Blessed Virgin.

I knew I liked Cardinal Ratzinger for many reasons, but this is just awesome. I have no doubt the apparitions in Medjugorje are real. The over 120 people I've went there with over the course of the past 15 years would all agree.

If you were there, praying with the visionaries at the time of the apparition, or even nearby, you could tell Mary is present.

Anyway I don't want to start a fight, but hope that you have investigated yourselves, talked and prayed with the visionaries before you decide to declare them fake.


23 posted on 04/20/2005 5:58:48 AM PDT by GopherGOPer
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To: dubyaismypresident; Salvation

I'm an outsider...a sincere one...but that strikes me as odd.

I thought we weren't supposed to set dates on such things.

??? puzzled.


24 posted on 04/20/2005 6:00:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: sinkspur

>>Michael Brown is a bit on the conspiratorial side. Just look at the stuff he puts up.<<

I love reading SpiritDaily but I know to take it with a grain of salt.
Some people I have met take it as God's Word. It's a shame.


25 posted on 04/20/2005 6:00:11 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Oh Lord help me this day to keep my big mouth shut)
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To: GopherGOPer
Were you to talk with the visionaries, and see their radiant faces, you would know that they talk with the Blessed Virgin.

The Bishop of Mostar, Bishop Zanic, whose diocese includes Medjugorje, vehemently disagrees. And the Vatican has said there is no basis from which to conclude that the apparitions are genuine.

However, if they inspire prayer from you, that is a good thing.

26 posted on 04/20/2005 6:03:13 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Salvation
I gotta disagree. The evidence seems to point to the "prophecies" of Malachy as being a pious fraud. The laguage prior to the 16th century predictions is much more concise, whereas those after are considerably more vague. Couple that with the fact that they were supposedly "found" in the Vatican archives at this time seems suspect. Malachy also said after 400 years of persecution of the Irish, England would come back to Catholicism. Hasn't happened. Even the "Peter the Roman" entry wasn't mentioned until 1820. As far as the Olivetan connection, it's backwards. Olivetans are Benedictines, but not all Benedictines are Olivetans. Past that, name or not, our new Holy Father is NOT a Benedictine.

Not saying it's not possible, just saying I'm not convinced.

27 posted on 04/20/2005 6:03:52 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (Canonize Pope John Paul the Great as patron Saint of the unborn.)
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To: xzins
I thought we weren't supposed to set dates on such things.

"We're" not, and "we" don't.

28 posted on 04/20/2005 6:03:58 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur

Thanks, sinkspur. See my #21...


29 posted on 04/20/2005 6:06:38 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
I thought we weren't supposed to set dates on such things.
??? puzzled.

The dates are just one guys speculation and I put no stock in those at all. As to Malachy's list, well it looks awfully accurate, although I am a bit skeptical.

30 posted on 04/20/2005 6:07:32 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (habemus papum, Benedict XVI)
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To: GopherGOPer

My Uncle, who is a retired Bishop has major doubts about those "seers". The Bishop of the area and all but two Bishops of the former Yugoslavia have stated that there is nothing supernatural going on there. The Vatican has stated that there is to be no veneration of that site and no tours should go there for veneration. Yet the disobedience goes on.

Believe what you want but JPII refused to go there when he was in the former Yugoslavia.

I would rather listen to the Vatican.


31 posted on 04/20/2005 6:09:15 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Oh Lord help me this day to keep my big mouth shut)
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To: xzins
Do you think this means that there is this pope and then one more pope, and that then there will be no more popes?

No. But, gloom-and-doomers are fascinated with "end times" nonsense. There's just no stopping it.

32 posted on 04/20/2005 6:10:17 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur

>>However, if they inspire prayer from you, that is a good thing.<<

I fully agree with you, but geez, hold your cash!


33 posted on 04/20/2005 6:11:01 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Oh Lord help me this day to keep my big mouth shut)
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To: Salvation
Salvation, Salvation, Salvation....

The fact is though Malachy lived in the 12th century, the "prophecies" surfaced in the 1600’s, and were never alluded to in the biography of Malachy. After 1600 people had to go to much greater lengths to find correlations.

Lets look at the whole stack of these lines listed in: Catholic Pages listing of the alleged Prophecies

After 1600 they are not even attempted to be applied, the listing doesn't really start until 1830, and even then they are pretty sparse. From 1600 to 1830 lets look at a few.

Pius VI has no description or interpretation to lead us to name him "Peregrinus Apostolicus". Innocent XIII has "De bona Religione", again, nothing in particular leads anyone to believe this would be a good description of this Pope. Urban VIII was "Lilium et rosa", so what leads us to apply that to that Pope? I can't think of anything but Urban's condemnation of Galileo for not publishing his work as an Hypothesis.

I believe these are spurious. I think they are indeed a pious forgery of the 16th Century. Prophecy and Apocalyptic pronunciations should not rank on the entertainment scale for a serious Catholic.
34 posted on 04/20/2005 6:12:25 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: netmilsmom
I fully agree with you, but geez, hold your cash!

LOL!! Exactly! Otherwise, you just feed the "seers" cigarette habits!

35 posted on 04/20/2005 6:13:03 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: GopherGOPer

If I was going to promote apparitions, I would start with ones approved by the Church. The link I provided cites many sources and investigations that throw serious suspicion, to say the least, on these "apparitions". If there is "other worldly" phenomena occurring at Medjugorje, that does not necessarily mean it is supernatural, it could be preternatural. Satan will often mimic Our Lord to lead people astray. Skepticism is prudent here.


36 posted on 04/20/2005 6:13:32 AM PDT by murphE (Never miss an opportunity to kiss the hand of a holy priest.)
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To: dubyaismypresident

It's too much for me.

Guess I'll just sit back and lurk for a while.


37 posted on 04/20/2005 6:14:02 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: sinkspur

I think I'll just go into lurk mode. I appreciate your response.

I'm not Catholic so I probably don't deserve an opinion on these things.


38 posted on 04/20/2005 6:16:29 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Salvation
That means the next Pope is gonna be named Peter and will be the Antichrist.

Which poses a dilemma for us Jews who don't think the Messiah's made it yet.

39 posted on 04/20/2005 6:17:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: xzins
I'm not Catholic so I probably don't deserve an opinion on these things.

Of course you do. Anybody with a level head deserves an opinion, and you are among the most level-headed here.

There is one indisputable fact: every single "prophet" who has predicted the end times has been wrong.

They don't have a good track record.

40 posted on 04/20/2005 6:19:37 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur
Suppose it's all true? Suppose there really IS a Time Cube? Suppose Alex Chiu's Eternal Life Rings really DO grant immortality?

Won't you feel stupid THEN???

41 posted on 04/20/2005 6:22:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: sinkspur
LOL!! Exactly! Otherwise, you just feed the "seers" cigarette habits!

Hey, I once had a vision when I was out on a smoke break too. (/just kidding).

42 posted on 04/20/2005 6:24:21 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (habemus papum, Benedict XVI)
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To: Salvation

Benedictines are not "also known as Olivetans." The entire basis for linking "Gloria olivae" to Benedictines is garbage, nonsense, stupidity. Saying that "Olivetans" is another name for "Benedictines" is like saying that another name for horses is Percherons.


43 posted on 04/20/2005 6:25:00 AM PDT by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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To: sinkspur

Like most other Christians, I, too, long for the return of the Lord and our gathering to him.

It's just that we were warned to avoid dating these things. Each time someone has violated that it has so inflamed the passions of followers that they've ceased being useful, taken up residence on a local hillside, and sat on their haunches awaiting the end.

I don't know if it's an apocryphal story or not, but supposedly, someone once asked Martin Luther what he'd do if found out the Lord would return on the following day. His response was: "Go plant a tree."

Folks can think what they want on these things, but the thoughtful ones realize this stuff is in God's hands, and that it's best to live in hope but to continue our work within each individual day.


44 posted on 04/20/2005 6:26:50 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: murphE
Satan will often mimic Our Lord to lead people astray. Skepticism is prudent here.

AH! Call the Vatican, a miracle! Can we attribute this to JPII? I am in agreement with MurphE and Sinkspur at the same time. (j/k j/k!)

This is exactly right.
45 posted on 04/20/2005 6:27:21 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Lazamataz; sinkspur; murphE
The Q-Ray
46 posted on 04/20/2005 6:30:34 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Lazamataz
That means the next Pope is gonna be named Peter and will be the Antichrist. Which poses a dilemma for us Jews who don't think the Messiah's made it yet.

Another morning reading FR whilst drinking coffee, another call to IT to replace another keyboard.
47 posted on 04/20/2005 6:30:58 AM PDT by te lucis (Our Lady is insulted. Let us go forth and fight! - Cristeros hymn)
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To: Dominick

A miracle or another sign that the end is near? ;-)


48 posted on 04/20/2005 6:31:37 AM PDT by murphE (Never miss an opportunity to kiss the hand of a holy priest.)
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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis

Another name for "electronics" is "cell phones".


49 posted on 04/20/2005 6:32:10 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: Salvation
"Dan," who predicted that on February 22, 2005 a new pope "will appear, and will call himself Pope Benedict XVI

Oh. Well. That's different. If Dan said it, that lends it an undeniable air of credibility.
50 posted on 04/20/2005 6:34:19 AM PDT by te lucis (Our Lady is insulted. Let us go forth and fight! - Cristeros hymn)
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