[Torie]

It will be interesting to see if B-16 slaps this down.

[Siobhan]

Keith O'Brainless is a toad who should never have been made Cardinal. Archbishop Mario Conti should have been made Scotland's Cardinal Archbishop of Glasgow, and there are many who are convinced that the Superforce of evil switched papers at the Vatican at the last minute and gave the world the Amazing Scottish Mahony.

[Petronski]

You had my comment in #2 pulled. How quaint.



All I did was point out how this article is your big dream come true! I used a different word that better captures your sense of excitement, and the accuracy of it really made you nervous.

[Talking_Mouse]

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[jobim]

Diogenes, as is his custom, nails the matter:

Not only has O'Brien failed to present and explain celibacy in its "biblical, theological and spiritual richness," [Pastores Dabo Vobis] he almost certainly doesn't see this richness himself, otherwise he couldn't have so casually predicted its obsolescence. Not a word about chastity as a gift offered to God in imitation of Christ: the married priest, like the cordless microphone, is an idea whose time has come. Whence the message sent to the faithful celibate dragging his 50 years of priesthood toward retirement is, "You lose, old boy! Enjoy your stamp collection." http://www.cwnews.com/offtherecord/offtherecord.cfm

[biblewonk]

1Tim 4:3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

[NYer]

Won't happen, Sinkie. Get over it.

[St. Johann Tetzel]

...he made a statement at the end of the Nicene Creed in which he affirmed support of the church's teachings on celibacy, contraception and homosexuality.

It was claimed at the time, but denied, that the added words were said under pressure from the Vatican.

A spokesman for the Church said today that the Cardinal's comments were not incompatible with his profession of faith in 2003.

Kick him out. He has obviously violated the oath the Vatican made him take prior to being elevated (which begs the question, Why in the world did Rome elevate a heretic in the first place?!?):

Article: Profession of Faith taken by Cardinal Designate Keith Patrick O'Brien
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2003




Following a number of requests please find below the full text of the Profession of Faith taken by Cardinal Designate Keith Patrick O'Brien on Tuesday 7th October 2003 at St. Mary's Cathedral, Edinburgh in the presence of the Metropolitan Cathedral chapter on the occassion of the installation of the Reverend John Agnew, to the cathedral chapter.


" 1. Recitation of Creed by Cardinal Designate O'Brien and Canon Elect Agnew.
I, Keith Patrick O'Brien/John Agnew, with firm faith, believe and profess all and Everything contained in the Creed. I believe is One God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of Heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.

I believe is One Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God. Eternally begotten of the Father. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, Begotten, not made; of one Being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from Heaven: By the power of the Holy Spirit he became Incarnate from the Virgin Mary and was made Man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate: He suffered death and was buried. On the third day, He rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the Right Hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, And his Kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life,
Who proceeds from the Father and Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified;
He has spoken through the Prophets.

I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
I look for the Resurrection of the dead,
and life of the world to come. Amen.


2. Further Profession of Faith of Cardinal Designate Keith Patrick O'Brien, Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh, made in St Mary's Cathedral Edinburgh on Tuesday 7th October 2003.
Furthermore, I having been called to be Cardinal by pope John Paul II, state that I firmly hold and maintain all and everything taught by the Holy Catholic Church concerning faith and morals, whether solemnly defined or asserted as part of her ordinary Magisterium, especially those doctrines touching the mystery of the Church as the Body of Christ, the Sacraments, the sacrifice of the Mass and the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.

I further state that I accept and intend to defend the law on ecclesiastical celibacy as it is proposed by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church; I accept and promise to defend the ecclesiastical teaching about the immorality of the homosexual act; I accept and promise to promulgate always and everywhere what the Church's Magisterium teaches on contraception. So help me God and these Holy Scriptures which I touch with my hand.

[Salvation]

I don't think this will happen.

[thurifer]

There are seven rites in the Catholic Church: Latin, Byzantine, Alexandrian, Syriac, Armenian, Maronite, and Chaldean. As far as I know only one does not allow married priests. There have always been married Catholic priests. I fail to see what the big deal is...

[<1/1,000,000th%]

The Cardinal has angered conservative Catholics in the past with his acceptance of gay priests, as long as they remained celibate.

I'm wondering what exactly a "celibate homosexual" might be. Is this something like "government intelligence"?

[A CA Guy]

They will not marry priests. Unlike the other break away Christian faiths, there is no profit for a family. All the money goes to the church and not priest's salaries.

They take a vow of poverty, so how does a priest have a family while in poverty and what happens in divorces when the wives and children need support and starts taking the Church to court to try and grab assets?

Not realistic at all.

[backtothestreets]

I expect the Vatican will one day restore the original church doctrine that allowed priests to marry. If it occurs, parishes requesting married priests be assigned them will take on fashionable flair, but it wouldn't surprise me to find the single-celebant priests will be the more effective for their parishioners. In the long run, allowing married priests may show the actual worth of single-celebant priests.

Where I expect the church to remain firm is not on church doctrine, but the law of God. There will be no bending on issues regarding sexual orientation, birth control, or same sex marriage, to name a few.

[ken21]

alan dershowitz said that celibacy lowered the i.q. of the catholic gene pool because the more intelligent catholic men became priests in the centuries past.

[Salvation]

Pope Defends Clergy Celibacy Order
Has the Time Come to Consider Making Celibacy Truly Optional In the Western Church?
Catholic Scandals: A Crisis for Celibacy?
Celibacy of the priesthood is a church strength, not a liability
Celibacy s history of power and money

Pope: Priests Must Stay Celibate
Giving Thanks for the Good Shepherds ( A Defense of Priestly Celibacy)
Don't end celibacy for priests
The celibate superhero
Priestly Celibacy And Its Roots In Christ

How to Refute Arguments Against Priestly Celibacy
Priestly Celibacy Reflects Who - and Whose - We Are[Father George W.Rutler]
Celibacy
Tracing the Glorious Origins of Celibacy
God’s call to celibacy for the sake of His Kingdom - by Card. George

Vatican Says Celibacy Rule Nonnegotiable
Bishop Attacks Move to End Celibacy
A response to Fr. Joseph Wilson's defense of mandatory celibacy
The gift of Priestly celibacy as a sign of the charity of Christ, by Mother Teresa of Calcutta
Archbishop Dolan:"We Need to Be Renewing Our Pledge to Celibacy, Not Questioning It"

Celibacy is gift cherished by church
Celibacy Will Save the Priesthood
Celibacy Defended by EWTN's Fr. Levis
Call To Action: Dump Celibacy
The (Catholic) Church Has Always Prospered When Celibacy Is Honored

John Paul II Hails "Inestimable Value" of Priestly Celibacy
For Priests, Celibacy Is Not the Problem
Fr. Shannon Collins Discusses Celibacy
5 Arguments Against (Catholic) Priestly Celibacy and How to Refute Them
Why A Married Priesthood Won't Remedy the Priest Shortage

New Vatican Document on Homosexuality and the Priesthood Coming Before Fall 2005
Catholic priests demand the right to marry
Catholic priests urge Church to reconsider celibacy rules
Alternative Priests´ Council Hits Back on Mandatory Celibacy
Married Priests? The English Experience

Saying Yes to God: a Look into Vocations
New Vatican Document to Eliminate 1961 Papal Ban on Ordaining Homosexuals
Saying Yes to God: a Look into Vocations
Is it time to ordain married men to the Catholic priesthood?
40% of Scots priests want end to celibacy

A small, sturdy band of 'John Paul priests'(JPII legacy of conservative priests)
Yes, Gay Men Should Be Ordained
Cardinal says Priests will marry

[FourtySeven]

I don't think there's any real possibility the requirement for celibacy will be lifted. Back when Pope John II was elected, I was about 8 years old, but even then I remember there was talk about the celibacy requirement being lifted. It's probably something that will happen every time a new Pope is elected, iow.

[annalex]

From the First Council of Nicea (AD 325):

CANON III.

THE great Synod has stringently forbidden any bishop, presbyter, deacon, or any one of the clergy whatever, to have a subintroducta dwelling with him, except only a mother, or sister, or aunt, or such persons only as are beyond all suspicion.

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