How I led Catholics Out of the Church

Catholic Educators ^ | September 2005 | Steve Wood

[It's me]

Ooooooh, I think Steve Woods touched a hot button.

THis shoud be an interesting thread.

[annalex]

What must I do to be saved?

Mark 10 (live everlasting is salvation):

17 And when he was gone forth into the way, a certain man, running up and kneeling before him, asked him: Good Master, what shall I do that I may receive life everlasting?
18 And Jesus said to him: Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments: Do not commit adultery, do not kill, do not steal, bear not false witness, do no fraud, honour thy father and mother.
20 But he answering, said to him: Master, all these things I have observed from my youth.
21 And Jesus, looking on him, loved him and said to him: One thing is wanting unto thee. Go, sell whatsoever thou hast and give to the poor: and thou shalt have treasure in heaven. And come, follow me.
22 Who being struck sad at that saying, went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

[jo kus]

The main problem with this author (Steve Woods) is that he looks at Protestantism through the lens of the Assemblies of God. His narrow view of the Protestant faith makes for a poor understanding and contrast to the Catholic faith...

What difference does that make? What does a Protestant base his faith on? His own interpretation of the Scriptures. Whether he is an AOG or a Baptist, you are relying on yourself to figure out what God wants ans what He said, rather then listening to what HE said.

Regards

[rollinginmybuggy]

and one of them shows up!

LOL

[AlaskaErik]

I noticed that this guy conveniently skips over Romans 10:9 and 10:10

10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Nothing in my Catholic past ever mentioned this.

[ArrogantBustard]

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I strongly recommend reading the entire link, if you want to know what the Church really teaches (as opposed to anything that jack chick's dishonest scoundrels have to say).

1992
Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy. Its purpose is the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life:40
But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from law, although the law and the prophets bear witness to it, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins; it was to prove at the present time that he himself is righteous and that he justifies him who has faith in Jesus.41

[ArrogantBustard]

It's a great answer.

[Tax-chick]

Not in isolation, as a stand-along sentence. That's why it was part of a larger context discussing the comprehensive Catholic view of salvation.

This particular statement comes from 1 Peter 3: 21-22, "Baptism, which corresponds to this [to the rescue of Noah and his family from the Flood], now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him."

[Tax-chick]

That is, "stand-alone."

[ArrogantBustard]

whassamatta, sonny boy? Don't like having neo-nazis, ku-klux-kreeps, communists, and traitors insulted by comparison to jack chick?

The truth hurts, boyo. Maybe the pain will help you grow up.

[AlaskaErik]

You'd make a good Democrat. Don't like the truth so you obfuscate it by throwing out red herrings.

[DocRock]

"Go, sell whatsoever thou hast and give to the poor: and thou shalt have treasure in heaven."

Is this the doctrine of the Catholic Church, that I must sell all I own and give it to the poor to go to heaven? I thought Abraham, Joseph, Solomon, and Daniel had a lot of wealth they didn't sell and give to the poor.

[jo kus]

"I don't think it's anti-Catholic...it just points out what isn't so obvious to everyone."


Would you send someone who wants to learn about Judaism and Israel to a Palestinian Hammas Arab?

Regards

[GSlob]

"It was those crusades that kept the muslim hordes from overrunning Europe completely."
Check your history, when you have time. Charles Martel in 732 (IIRC), did it (stopping the muslim hordes) centuries BEFORE the official crusading season. The only way he could be counted as a crusader would be through posthumous enrollment. Jan Sobieski in 1683(IIRC) did stop the muslim hordes AFTER crusading season ended, too. Crusades were a counterattack, when Europe was not in any danger from the direction of the "holy land" where most of them took place. And do not forget Albigensian crusade, and the fight againsh Hussites. The only time in that period when Europe was indeed in danger of being overrun with hordes was from the Mongols (hordes, albeit disciplined, true, BUT NOT YET MOSLEM in early 1240s). And IIRC, Jaroslav from Sternberk who had to handle it was not a crusader.
But that's besides the point - I am interested in getting crusaders' tax benefits.

[netmilsmom]

>>But be careful. The Catholics on this site hate being challenged and will turn nasty quick if you challenge them.<<

Go to the Jewish threads and challenge them.
See how they feel about it.
Ask for Alouette.

[Larry Lucido]

I'm an unrepentant Protestant member of the Catholic ping lists. I'm all screwed up.

LOL! Join the club.

[rollinginmybuggy]

You aren't very secure in your faith are you? At least that is what it seems like when I see how touchy and angry you are towards anyone who challenges your faith.

PS. The RC church killed and tortured my forefathers.

And how do you explain the idolatry that is rampant in the RC church in many 3rd world countries? Is that OK by you?

[Tax-chick]

It's "nasty" to zealously defend your faith, don't you know.

[DocRock]

"Not in isolation, as a stand-along sentence. That's why it was part of a larger context discussing the comprehensive Catholic view of salvation."

Can it be defined in a "touch and go" manner? I'm really looking for the doctrine of the Catholic Church in regard to leading lost souls to salvation through Christ.