Skip to comments.Defrocked priest performs baptism
Posted on 10/18/2005 7:39:24 AM PDT by NYer
PHILADELPHIA - A former Philadelphia-area priest accused of abusing more than a dozen girls and taking an 11-year-old he had raped for an abortion performed a baptism this summer weeks after he was defrocked.
Nicholas V. Cudemo performed the baptism at Christ the King Church in Haddonfield, N.J., on July 10, Camden diocese officials confirmed.
A recent Philadelphia grand jury report found that Cudemo had sexual relationships with girls from Catholic schools where he taught from the 1960s to the 1980s, molesting one girl in the confessional and invoking God to seduce the youngsters. The report focused on abusive priests in the Philadelphia archdiocese.
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Obviously with no pangs of consicence .. sheesh.
The vatican should have its own prison for these criminals who are out of the reach of civil law.
Out of reach of civil law? He should be in jail and should have been for years.
Statute of limitations has run out.
You can thank legislators, for putting a short statute of limitations on criminal prosecutions.
What IS that family thinking?
If there had been an emergency, anyone -- even a non-Catholic -- could have performed the baptism.
I wonder how much this happened when we had the confessionals of years ago. You know, the ones which had a door to your little box-like room which just had a kneeler. The priest had his own door. There was no way for him to get near you to molest you.
Maybe we should have those confessionals again???
My husband babptised our babies before we left the hospital after their births. He was taking no chances. Great peace of mind.
My husband baptised our babies before we left the hospital after their births. He was taking no chances. Great peace of mind.
What did you do about baptismal certificates, if I may ask?
Well, um, we had them baptised in the church.
I know, I know, I know, you're not supposed to do that but, we took no chances.
Had he raped and then taken my daughter for an abortion he'd be dead.
I apologize for not asking that question in private. I usually try to avoid putting people on the spot, but that one just can of slipped out.
In any event, I urge you to take it up in confession if you have not already done so ... to avoid taking any chances ...
God bless, and have a great day!
Oh gosh, everyone knows.
This is no secret. We dealt with this years ago.
Thanks for your concern, just the same.
Such men should be given an opportunity for repentance and then they should be executed.
And willing to dupe the baby's parents, too! Yikes.
A former Philadelphia-area priest accused of abusing more than a dozen girls and taking an 11-year-old he had raped for an abortion performed a baptism this summer weeks after he was defrocked.
He said Cudemo performed the summer baptism at a family's request. Only later did the parish realize his status, Wallace said. The baptism remains valid, he said.
It seems amazing that the parents were completely unaware of his past, of his defrocking. But that's no excuse for him. He failed to disclose given his patterns of behavior.
time to excommunicate
Why do you think they HAD those confessionals in the first place? Hanky panky, even in the Confessional, is as old as Eve.
The position of the Catholic Church is that anyone can perform a baptism. You don't need to be in Holy Orders. For disciplinary reasons, baptism is supposed to be done in a church by a priest, so that proper records can be kept.
The proper exception would be an emergency in which the person might not otherwise receive baptism before risk of death. But even if there is no emergency, the baptism would still be valid if properly performed. The two things necessary for this sacrament are water, and the words, "I baptize you [name] in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."
If there is any doubt that a proper baptism was performed, a provisional baptism should be performed afterward.
Confessional boxes did not come into use until the sixteenth century in Rome, under the direction of St. Charles Borromeo, and in most countries not until the middle of the seventeenth century. They were largely a response to the Reformation, and to Protestant accusations that Catholic priests were misbehaving with female penitents, what you might call the propaganda wars of the time.
The original directions for designing a confessional specified that it should have a screen with holes in it that you could talk through, but that the holes should be small enough to prevent anyone from poking a little finger through them.
Consider yourself lucky he isn't a co-religionist, as this would probably be your church.
That's why they designed confessional boxes in the first place! One of the counterreformation reforms that the spirit-of-V2_ guys did away with.
But, which way is better?
Or "safer" for that matter?
You need to look at confessional boxes. Not much room for manuever. The "face-to-face" on the other hand is a room with the door shut.
The link does not work. Is this for real???
If so, this is one of the most disgusting stories I have ever heard.
We need to go back to the confessional boxes where the priest has his own door to his own seat and the penitant has his own door to his own kneeler and nothing else!!
NO room for anything but a confession.
I'm alright, I wasn't in the market for any baptisms anyway.
Now they'll have to get someone to perform an exorcism on that poor little baby!
I should think the old-style confessional is safer...there's not too much wiggle room in there, whereas the chatting rooms---OOPS!---I mean the new reconciliation rooms---have lots of space.
As for me, well...if there ain't no box, I don't go. Have to drive miles and miles and miles away to find a decent confessional these days.
There used to be monastic jails (or "penitentiaries") for priests and religious, who were sent there to live very harsh lives and repent. I knew a European priest who had been sent to one in his home country in the early 60's after he had been seen walking unaccompanied on the street with a woman and there had been rumors - accurate, alas - about his dealings with women parishioners. He said it was a horrible experience and he had never wanted to go back there, and he actually did clean up his behavior. (Well, until they closed the penitentiaries after VatII and went to the therapeutic model...)