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Christ Died for the Sins of Christians, Too
Assembly Reflections ^ | Dr. Rod Rosenbladt

Posted on 11/18/2005 6:56:21 AM PST by Gamecock

by Dr. Rod Rosenbladt

Rod Rosenbladt (Ph.D., University of Strasbourg) is Professor of Theology at Concordia University in Irvine, CA.  Dr. Rosenbladt has contributed to several books including Christ The Lord (Baker, 1992), from which this article was adapted.  He is an ordained minister in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.  Dr. Rosenbladt is also a co-host on the White Horse Inn radio program and a member of the Council of the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals.


Any evangelical -- indeed, any real Christian -- would probably say that life's key issue is whether someone comes into a saving relationship with God through Jesus Christ.  How one receives that salvation, however, has been the subject of many debates throughout church history, debates that continue today.  At the center of these many debates is an assumption: Every human being born after Adam and Eve is affected (some call this effect total depravity) by the Fall.  In order to right the wrong and restore us to a saving relationship with our Creator, Christians affirm that the eternal Son of God assumed to himself a particular human nature in order that he might do the work of being our prophet, priest and king.  He has solved our basic problem by standing in our stead and taking our place.  That simple story of Christ's life, death, and resurrection is the gospel.  And the gospel message is that Christ did all of this for you and me.  The word that most evangelicals would use for this work is a biblical word -- Christ Jesus has brought us salvation.

My task would be simple if I were merely to answer the question, "How am I to be saved?"  For, the answer to this question is simple as well.  It is "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved!" (see Acts 16:31; cf. I Tim. 1:16).  Although the doctrine of justification is still under attack in many circles, most evangelicals understand the question of salvation and are able to grasp it in its bare simplicity: Christ died for me.  But the more difficult thing with which Christians must come to grips is, "What does the gospel matter to my Christian life?"  Or, in other words, "What do I do now?  Do I still believe the gospel, or is the rest left up to me?"

An Alien Gospel

One of my favorite stories that illustrates this particular matter deals with a time when the German reformer Martin Luther was translating the Bible into German at the Wartburg castle and could only have contact with his colleague Phillip Melanchthon by courier.  Melanchthon had a different sort of temperament than Luther.  Some would call him timid; others of a less generous bent might call him spineless.  At one time, while Luther was off in the Wartburg castle translating, Melanchthon had another one of his attacks of timidity.  He wrote to Luther, "I woke this morning wondering if I trust Christ enough."  Luther received such letters from Melanchthon regularly.  He had a tendency, a propensity, to navel-gaze and to wonder about the state of his inner faith, and whether it was enough to save.  Finally, in an effort to pull out all the stops and pull Melanchthon out of himself, Luther wrote back and said, "Melanchthon! Go sin bravely! Then go to the cross and bravely confess it! The whole gospel is outside of us."

This story has been told time and time again by less sympathetic observers than I in an effort to caricature Luther and the Reformation generally as advocates of licentious abandon.  These critics assert that if we are not justified by our own moral conformity to the law, but by Christ's, surely there is nothing keeping us from self-indulgence.  This, of course, was the criticism of the gospel that Paul anticipated in Romans 6: "Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!" Luther's pastoral advice was calculated to jar Melanchthon out of morbid introspection.  Great sinners know liberation when they have it, but Melanchthon had been a scrupulous, pious Catholic.  Luther's words did not bring him assurance, but only doubts.  For his assurance depended not so much on God's promise to the ungodly as ungodly (see Rom. 4:5), but on his own ability to see growth and improvement in his "Christian walk."  Luther's frustrated counsel was not an invitation to serve sin, but an attempt to shock Melanchthon into realizing that his only true righteousness was external to him: "The whole gospel is outside of us."

Melanchthon's experience is common among many Christians I know today.  Many of them, such as Melanchthon did 400 years ago, are looking for assurance of their salvation in all the wrong places.  They tend to think that their standing before God -- now that they are Christians -- is based on their own obedience and their own righteousness.  They have forgotten the fundamental fact that the gospel is "outside of us."  It was "outside of us" when we turned to Christ for salvation and it is "outside of us," now, as we progress in our sanctification.

This "alien" nature of the gospel is a primary theme in the New Testament: Christ's death was outside of me and for me.  After one has been declared righteous by grace through faith, this grace will begin to change us (sanctification).  Nevertheless, its changing us is certainly not what justifies us.  In Roman Catholicism, and in some forms of American Evangelicalism (like John Wesley's work), however, the accent falls on actual moral transformation.  In other words, what makes us acceptable to God is not his external declaration of justification, but his internal work of renovation within our hearts and lives.  Thus, through the influence of Arminianism and Wesleyanism, the situation in many evangelical churches is almost indistinguishable on these points from medieval Rome.  Some of the preaching in Evangelicalism -- certainly some of the Sunday school material and some of the addresses by retreat speakers and Christian leaders -- tends to reinforce that old intuition that morally good people are the ones who are saved and that those who are not so good are the ones who are lost.

The bellwether test as to where a person stands on this issue is what he or she does with Romans 7, particularly passages such as, "For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. O wretched man that I am!  Who will deliver me from this body of death?" (vv. 19, 24).  Often, those who are not grounded in the Reformation say that this was Paul's experience before he met the Lord.  Those of us from a Reformation perspective, however, would probably say there is no better description of the Christian life in the entire Bible than Romans 7.  The reformers really believed that the Christian life was a matter of being simul iustus et peccator -- simultaneously justified and sinful -- and that we would remain in this tension until death.

Any righteousness that we have, even in the Christian life, is a gift to us.  It is not the result of our obedience, of our claiming God's promises, of our "victorious Christian living," or of our "letting go and letting God."  You might be familiar with some of these ideas if you've spent any amount of time in American church circles.  But the reformers would not have been especially impressed with these teachings, commonly called "Higher Life" teachings.  In the early twentieth century, the Princeton Presbyterian theologian B. B. Warfield, had this to say about Lewis Sperry Chafer (a Presbyterian minister whose writings helped pave the way for these ideas to infiltrate American churches):

Mr. Chafer makes use of all the jargon of the Higher Life teachers.  In him, too, we hear of two kinds of Christians, whom he designates respectively "carnal men" and "spiritual men," on the basis of a misreading of 1 Cor. 2:9ff; and we are told that the passage from the one to the other is at our option, whenever we care to "claim" the higher degree "by faith."  With him, too, thus, the enjoyment of every blessing is suspended on our "claiming it."  We hear here, too, of "letting" God, and, indeed, we almost hear of "engaging" the Spirit (as we engage, say, a carpenter) to do work for us, and we do explicitly hear of "making it possible for God" to do things -- a quite terrible expression.  Of course, we hear repeatedly of the duty and efficacy of "yielding" -- and the act of "yielding ourselves" is quite in the customary manner discriminated from "consecrating" ourselves.

Gospel-Centered Sanctification

Did the reformers, then, have any doctrine of sanctification? Of course they did.  We are all familiar with the biblical announcements as to what is involved in sanctification: the Word, the Sacraments, prayer, fellowship, sharing the gospel, serving God and neighbor.  And the Reformation tradition acknowledges that there are biblical texts that speak of sanctification as complete already.  This is not a perfection that is empirical or observable (as Wesley and others would have insisted upon), but a definitive declaration that because we are "in Christ," we are set apart and reckoned holy by his sacrifice (1 Cor. 1:30; Heb. 10, and so on).  Anybody who is in Christ is sanctified, because Christ's holiness is imputed to the Christian believer, just as Jesus says in John 17:19, "For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified."  God sees the believer as holy.  That means that Wesley should not have terrified Christian brethren with texts such as "Without holiness, no one will see the Lord" (Heb. 12:14 [NIV] ).  The Christian is holy, it is all imputed.  What would the reformers have done with texts such as 1 Peter 1:16, "You shall be holy, for I am holy" ([NAS], cf. Lev. 11:44f; 19:2; 20:7)?  They would say we are called to be holy.  But, some may ask, why should we be called to holiness if we are already perfect in Christ?  That question has been asked before, and Paul's answer in Romans 6 is because we are saved unto good works, not unto licentiousness.   Good works are done out of thankfulness of heart by the believer who has been saved, not by one who is trying to be saved by following the law.

How did the law function in the reformer's doctrine of sanctification?  They believed that the law in the Bible has three uses.  First, it is a civil ordinance to keep us from stealing each other's wives, husbands, and speedboats.  The civil use of the law applies to the whole culture.  Second, the theological use of the law is to reveal our sin and drive us to despair and terror so that we will seek a savior.  Luther believed that is a primary use of the law in all of Scripture.  But the reformers also believed in a third use of the law, and that is a didactic use, to teach the Christian God's will for holy living.

What should the Christian do if he is reading the law and says, "This is not yet true of me: I don't love God with all my heart, and I certainly don't love my neighbor as I love myself.  In fact, just today I failed to help a poor man on the side of the road who was having car trouble.  I must not yet be a Christian."  The answer of the Higher Life movement to the struggling Christian is, "Surrender more!" or, "What are you holding back from the Lord?" The Reformation answer is different: "You hurry back to the second use of the law and flee to Christ where sanctification is truly, completely, and perfectly located."  After this experience, the believer will feel a greater sense of freedom to obey (thus fulfilling the third use of the law), and this is the only way that one will ever feel free to obey.  The most important thing to remember is that the death of Christ was in fact a death even for Christian failure.  Christ's death saves even Christians from sin.  There is always room at the cross for unbelievers, it seems.  But we ought also to be telling people that there is room at the cross for Christians, too.

Too often in evangelical circles, the law only condemns.  It comes back to undermine the confidence of the gospel.  It can still make threats, it can still condemn.  There is wonderful grace for the sinner, and the evangelical is at his best in evangelism.  But the question as to whether there is enough grace for the sinful Christian is an open one in many gatherings.  I have had people come up to me after I had spoken and tell me, "This is about the last shot I've got.  My own Christian training is killing me.  I can understand how, before I was a Christian, Christ's death was for me, but I am not at all sure that his death is for me now because I have surrendered so little to him and hold so much back."  That perversion is the result of a faulty understanding of the gospel and of a faulty application of the law.

Instead, there must be a clear and unqualified pronouncement of the assurance of salvation on the basis of the fullness of the atonement of Christ.  In other words, even a Christian can be saved.  The other "gospel," in its various forms (Higher Life, legalism, the "carnal Christian" teaching, and so on) is tearing us to pieces.  I must warn you that the answer to this devastating problem is not available on every street corner.  It is available only in the Reformation tradition.  This is not because that particular tradition has access to information other traditions do not possess.  Rather, it is because the same debate that climaxed in that sixteenth-century movement has erupted again and again since in less precise form.  In fact, since Christ's debates with the Pharisees and Paul's arguments with the legalists, this has been the debate of Christian history.  At no time since the apostolic era were these issues so thoroughly discussed and debated as they were in the sixteenth century.  To ignore the biblical wisdom, scholarship, and brilliant insights of such giants as the reformers is simply to add to our ignorance the vice of pride and self-sufficiency.  The Reformation position is the real evangelical position.

The only way out is an exposition of the Scriptures that has to do with law and gospel -- an exposition of the Scriptures that places Christ at the center of the text for everybody, including the Christian.  All of the Bible is about him.  All of the Bible is even about him for the Christian!

I used to tell my students at an evangelical Christian college that they had never heard real preaching, with the exception of a few sound evangelistic appeals.  Their weekly diet in the congregation was often a moral exhortation to be like Jesus, or Paul, or Daniel, or some other super saint in the Bible.  They were constantly peppered with the question, "What are you doing for Jesus?"  The preaching was not, as it should have been, a proclamation of God's grace to them because of the finished and atoning death of Christ -- God's grace for them as Christians.  That emphasis is desperately needed. But the only way we can recover this message is by ceasing to read the Scriptures as a recipe book for Christian living, and instead find within the Scriptures Christ who died for us and who is the answer to our unchristian living.  We must have that kind of renewal (a renewal, which not surprisingly, was important to the reformers, as well), and it can only come if we realize that the gospel is for Christians, too.

A friend of mine was walking down a street in Minneapolis one day and was confronted by an evangelical brother who asked, "Brother, are you saved?"  Hal rolled his eyes back and said, "Yes."  That didn't satisfy this brother, so he said, "Well, when were you saved?" Hal said, "About two thousand years ago, about a twenty minutes' walk from downtown Jerusalem."  This is the gospel message.  It's just as important for Christians to believe for their sanctification as it is for pagans to believe for their justification, for it is the same message, the same salvation, the same work of God.  It's just as important for the evangelical church today as it was for the reformers in the sixteenth century.  Without this simple, but mind-boggling message, there is no hope, not for the sinner nor for the saint.


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To: P-Marlowe

Isn't that the Bible Clinton used to carry to church?


21 posted on 11/18/2005 2:45:58 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts; Gamecock
Isn't that the Bible Clinton used to carry to church?

And I bet not a single street preacher ever came within 100 yards of him when he was carrying it.

22 posted on 11/18/2005 2:47:57 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: B Knotts

BTW if you really want a laugh, follow the link on the picture.


23 posted on 11/18/2005 2:48:47 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Rosenbladt for SP?

Someone who can think theologically . . . for Synod President? Unfortunately, that's not about to happen. This is not your grandfather's church.

24 posted on 11/18/2005 2:51:07 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (LCMS pastor)
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To: P-Marlowe

LOL


25 posted on 11/18/2005 2:54:09 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: Gamecock

> saaaaves

saaayyyyvvz-ah


26 posted on 11/18/2005 9:52:32 PM PST by old-ager
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To: XeniaSt
"Great line but I believe it was from before the foundation of the universe.."

You believe that people were saved before the foundation of the universe? Where do you get that idea, if you don't mind me asking?

Sincerely
27 posted on 11/19/2005 2:57:45 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: Charles Henrickson

Hah! Never has been. My grandfathers were MethoPresbyterians. I left that heterodoxy in my late teens.


28 posted on 11/19/2005 7:11:45 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: ScubieNuc
You believe that people were saved before the foundation of the universe?
Where do you get that idea, if you don't mind me asking?

Sincerely

When do you believe that The creator of the universe decided to call you to Him?

b'shem Y'shua

29 posted on 11/19/2005 8:09:57 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: XeniaSt

I'd heard it was Jewish to answer a question with a question, but I asked first. 8^)

Where does the Bible say or imply that people are saved before the world was formed?

Sincerely


30 posted on 11/19/2005 4:34:53 PM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: P-Marlowe
That wouldn't happen if you were carrying a Big Bible.


31 posted on 11/19/2005 8:19:54 PM PST by Gamecock (What was the thorn in Paul's side?)
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To: Gamecock

I don't think that guitar is an orthodox model. Real Christians play Les Pauls.


32 posted on 11/19/2005 8:49:52 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: ScubieNuc; XeniaSt
Where does the Bible say or imply that people are saved before the world was formed?

Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:

33 posted on 11/19/2005 8:57:28 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
I asked..."Where does the Bible say or imply that people are saved before the world was formed? "

You posted..."Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:"

The Bible talks about saved this way...

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Luk 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


As you can see, salvation requires the individual to do something (believe, confess, call, etc.). Your verse states that God chose us before the foundation of the world. God wants all humans to be with him, but unfortunately some will refuse Him. See the following verses...

1Ti 2:3 For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


The idea that God only chooses some people to be saved and others to be condemned is false. What kind of Final Judgement is there, if God prevents people from being saved by not choosing them? The Final Judgement will be God showing EVERYONE that He wanted to be with them, and He provided a way, but some failed to believe.

Sincerely
34 posted on 11/19/2005 9:52:52 PM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: ScubieNuc; XeniaSt
The idea that God only chooses some people to be saved and others to be condemned is false.

I don't think you can scripturally deny that God does, in fact, choose whom he is going to save. The soteriological question is not whether in fact God chooses some for salvation, but why does God choose one for salvation and another for damnation?

Clearly God is not required to save any of us. It is His sovereign decision to save those whom he does save.

That is where the debate begins.

P.S. I am not a Calvinist.

35 posted on 11/19/2005 10:14:53 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
"I don't think you can scripturally deny that God does, in fact, choose whom he is going to save."

I just did in the previous post. I believe some of this is semantics. Your phrasing is "choose whom he is going to save." What is the Scriptural support for this?

Predistination and election are Biblical ideas. What they clearly mean for individuals and groups is a point of debate amoung Christians. When you weigh the context of all Scripture, I believe you have much more support for God choosing us all, but all of us not choosing him, and because He is God and knows all, He pre-knows who will reject Him. However, at the Final Judgement NO one will have an excuse for not choosing Him, because he provided a way for all.

That is different from selecting some to be saved and others not to be. Why then tell people to believe and call on the Lord to be saved, if that was already decided before they were born? Why tell people to go into all the world and spread the Gospel, if it's out of their hands anyway? At the Final Judgement, people could say, "I didn't do your work, because you didn't let (choose)me."

"I am not a Calvinist."

Honestly, that term doesn't really mean much to me. It is probably useful to people with Theology Degrees, but to me, it's some kind of name plate people like to hang on themselves or others. Whether or not I am one or not, I do not know or care. My concern is studing the Word of God, Spreading the Gospel, and applying God's Word to my life.

Sincerely
36 posted on 11/19/2005 10:52:16 PM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: P-Marlowe; XeniaSt
Personally, I love the way these verses read...

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


The Greek word that KJV translates to "will have" is thelo. Thelo is defined-to will, have in mind, intend, to desire, to wish, to take delight in. It's pretty clear that God desires for ALL to be saved.

Sincerely
37 posted on 11/20/2005 12:14:46 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: ScubieNuc; P-Marlowe; XeniaSt
It's pretty clear that God desires for ALL to be saved.

It's not clear what that means, however. Scripture equally clearly says that God has mercy upon whom He wills, and whom He wills, he hardens.

38 posted on 11/20/2005 4:42:24 AM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: jude24; ScubieNuc; XeniaSt
It's not clear what that means, however. Scripture equally clearly says that God has mercy upon whom He wills, and whom He wills, he hardens.

And FWIW it's not really clear what that means either.

I will agree that the ultimate determiner of our salvation is God. He is not obligated to save anyone. Those he saves, he saves because he is merciful, those he condemns, he condemns because he is just.

39 posted on 11/20/2005 7:36:38 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; jude24; ScubieNuc
I will agree that the ultimate determiner of our salvation is God. He is not
obligated to save anyone. Those he saves, he saves because he is merciful,
those he condemns, he condemns because he is just.

Bump that!

b'shem Y'shua

40 posted on 11/20/2005 8:09:35 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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